I am exhausted with the politics of personal destruction!

[FrenchieCat]

I think that it is some of Bernie's supporters that will do him in. Currently I'm understanding that they are looking for the Black vote! I'm seeing movies posted of how great Bernie will be for Black people, and how we (Blacks) really don't understand what's good for us, because we just don't know Bernie! It is like Black folks aren't informed, and we just need to come around to understanding that Bernie will give us everything, but those really mean Clintons took away our welfare, and jailed all of the Black people. Plus she's a this$$$ and she's a that$$$! BTW, Remember 2008...oh and here's the video!

They continue to throw guilt by association, and red meat name calling without understanding that many of us simply don't believe that rainbows and Unicorns will be handed to us if we simply start to feel the Bern, cause first there's a serious election that would need to be won!

Clinton has already been vetted for like 25+ years, so I certainly already know exactly what I'll get. Sanders has yet to be vetted by the opposition, but when the Republicans get around to it, it will be a blood bath. Some Black folks just happen to know this, cause we've been paying attention to elections and how it all works! Most damn well know that the Supreme Court is at stake, along with both houses of congress, and most know the ramifications of losing this election! That means Affirmative Action, Voting Rights, Civil Rights, Gun laws. There will be cases brought on due to Police Brutality, Abortions, and on and on! That is not anything that most of us are unaware of! And don't let me get started on how a lost election would affect this First Black President's legacy, and the 8 hard years he will have put in. A lot of what he did was via executive order, meaning it can all be reversed on DAY one! They would also repeal ObamaCare...and that's a lot of Black folks finding themselves uninsured all of the sudden...again! They will also shut down Planned Parenthood, and a myriad of other services that enough Black folks use often. "Some say" they will never repeal the ACA, but they've already passed 60 bills to do just that!

As far as policies (which are important to me), there's enough similarities, although Clinton's plans are more detailed and achievable. That's what I want! Not grand promises of 40 acres and a mule! Rather, I would certainly want the details of how these policies can be achieved in this specific political atmosphere of GOP Lock on the legislative abilities to pass any laws.

If Bernie is relying on a Revolution to get it done, but only after he is elected, than I'm figuring he can still do that even if he is not. I don't have a problem with that plan. Just sayin'.....

[babylonsister]

1. I support Bernie, but have

no interest in tearing another Dem down. Period.

[FrenchieCat]

2. I know you aren't.....and I've known you a long time....

But just go look at the GDP, and tell me what that is! Its really beyond.....

[gollygee]

16. Agree

I also like Bernie but I hate how Hillary is being vilified.

[jaysunb]

3. Good post

I really like what Bernie is putting on the front burner, but, I also agree with every word you wrote.

Personally, I can't get beyond the SCOTUS situation. That in itself will force me to do what I can to get a Democrat elected in November. And, Hillary Clinton is more than qualified to push a progressive agenda forward.

Long live the 2016 message of Bernie Saunders. May it resonate with a large portion of Americans to push toward a progressive agenda for all.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Yes, we agree....

There's nothing to say that running for President is a perfectly great platform to get it started....
this Revolution....
although I would have loved for the Revolution to have had Obama's back,
but I guess he wasn't promising enough that he knew he couldn't deliver, so I guess that's why....

[Number23]

4. I HIGHLY suggest that everyone of us ignores the living crap out of those black folks love Bernie

posts in GDP. Not one is posted by a poster of color and the fact that so many of the people here that are openly and PROUDLY hostile to black posters are the main one K&Ring all of that should tell everyone all they need to know.

Ignore the hell out of them. I checked the rec list on one of them and it was like looking at the block list for this forum. It's obvious that passive aggressive crap aimed at black folks is how some Sanders supporters have decided they are going to lick their wounds from his defeat in Iowa. We should not get in the way of them -- ONCE AGAIN -- letting everyone know exactly who they are.

[sheshe2]

7. I saw a one. That was enough.

In am staying the hell away from there.

[betsuni]

14. When I looked at GDP earlier today I swear there were a couple of dozen of them.

Nope nope nope nope. (The first one I saw I thought was about Bernie's back problem, then realized it was his "black" problem.)

[Number23]

15. I haven't done an official count but there looked to be 8-10 of them when I looked last

And now the Shaun King article has been posted at least twice. Not that it seems to matter.

And it's full of typos including a photo of Trayvon Martin that's captioned as being Tamir Rice and they've called Eric Garner 'Eric Gerner.' Not that any of that seems to matter.

King's article looks sloppily put together, not sure what the rush was, but in general I like his stuff quite a bit.

[sheshe2]

5. I...

I have a target on my back.

The GOP sure hates me. I am a woman. Bernie, sadly he does not have my interests at the forefront of his revolution, I am a side issue at best. So are you for being a woman while black. The BANKS don't matter all that much to me or you when our rights as women are put on the back burner one more time.

55 WAYS the REPUBLICANS WOMEN

Anyone following politics knows Republicans are launching a full out war on women. But you may not know how many anti-women votes the Republicans cast since January 2011. Well, a report released last week by Rep. Henry Waxman (D – Ca.) has the answer: 55! That’s right, Republicans voted to take away women’s rights or make their lives miserable 55 times. The Anti-Women Voting Record of The U.S. House of Representatives 112th Congress report includes some of the GOP’s greatest hits, so to speak, against women, like•Seventeen votes which would allow health insurance companies to discriminate against women by charging women higher premiums than men or denying women coverage based on “pre-existing conditions” like being pregnant.


•a vote which would allow hospitals to deny emergency abortions to women’s whose lives are at risk, which NARAL’s Nancy Keenan has called The “Let Women Die” Bill.

•Six votes against protections for women from violence and discrimination,including votes against protecting the confidentiality of domestic violence victims, and votes against additional funding for grants under the Violence Against Women Act

•Votes to cut the Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC). (Because, you know, they’re the party of family values, which means letting pregnant women, new mothers AND infants go hungry
http://feministing.com/2012/09/13/55-ways-republicans-hate-women/

Bernie has not addressed this, our President has with Obamacare.

Where has Bernie been on all these issues? Where does he stand for us? Single payer never made it in VT, to costly yet he is selling it to voters.

Yes!

And don't let me get started on how a lost election would affect this First Black President's legacy, and the 8 hard years he will have put in. A lot of what he did was via executive order, meaning it can all be reversed on DAY one! They would also repeal ObamaCare...and that's a lot of Black folks finding themselves uninsured all of the sudden...again! They will also shut down Planned Parenthood, and a myriad of other services that enough Black folks use often. "Some say" they will never repeal the ACA, but they've already passed 60 bills to do just that!

I want our Presidents legacy to carry on, he has done so much despite the racial hate.

[FrenchieCat]

6. and frightening as it is....

Some of these Sanders folks believe that we should go ahead and "take the chance"
cause someone is saying something you want to hear!
Either they don't have anything to lose, or they have inheritances from their parents waiting for them.

[sheshe2]

13. I won't take that chance.

He will never stand for me. Every issue reverts to "Wall Street" "Bring Down the Banks"

Where the hell does he think our 401K's are? I have little there, no safety net yet he wants to bring them down.

Sigh. I want my equal rights, I want your equal rights. I want us to be able to chose. I do not want a government telling me what I should or should not do with my body. I want women to be safe in their homes against spousal abuse. I want you and yours to be able to walk down that street without fear of being stopped and shot. These social issues are being ignored by this man.

Economic justice means nothing to me unless we see Social justice.

[brer cat]

19. + a million, sheshe!

Very well said.

I understand why you slipped back here quietly: powerful voices draw the wrath of closed minds. A democracy lives through the exchange of opinions, ideas, and solutions from the wide breadth of its diverse population. Those who seek the glorification of St. Bernie are the antithesis of democracy seeking to silence all but the true believers.

[qwlauren35]

50. 100%

As a financially comfortable black woman, this whole "class" thing doesn't reach me. And it's all I hear about.

It's funny. In Donna Edwards' literature, one of the bullets is "take on Wall Street". Sheshe, I agree. Don't mess with my 401K. So, I sidestep that bullet, and focus on who she is, what she's been through and who she can represent.

Once when I was making a poster, I accidentally left off the bullet about her work with veterans. Got called on it, put it in. But the articles I've written, the presentations I've given... "taking on Wall Street". Just not feelin' it.

So then, what does Bernie Sanders offer ME???? Does he emphasize how he will protect Planned Parenthood and Roe vs. Wade? Nope. Is he vowing to fight against the voter disenfranchisement that Republican Governors have swept the nation with? Nope. Is he talking about the problem of police brutality? I haven't seen it come up.

So, he hasn't won me over. I'm not feelin' Hillary either, but she talks to ME and my issues more than Bernie does.

[DonCoquixote]

9. I do not have itnerest in such

but what about Hillary if she has an interest in tearing US down? Wall Street does, and many of us kept Bernie alive because Hill made it clear she would listen to Money more than us.

[FrenchieCat]

10. That's what is "said".....

I'm still waiting for Bernie to call out these superpacs publicly and tell them to stop spending money helping him
as that would be the honorable thing to do, even if they refused, since he knows.


Unusual pairing of the Sanders campaign and Republican and ultra-conservative super PAC spending to attack Hillary Clinton. Of course the conservatives’ intent is simply to “elevate an avowed socialist.” One that Republicans, conservatives, and the Koch brothers believe will be easy to disparage in a general election. Don’t believe conservative PACs are helping Senator Sanders?
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/02/01/bernie-sanders-super-pac-money-democratic-rivals.html


I'm sure it won't happen, cause that's just less money he has to spend to try and get himself elected!

I know, I know....he's doing it for the sake of the Revolution!

[DonCoquixote]

11. when she clearly says she would reject the tpp and KXL

not merely thinks, but closes the door, then I can believe her.

[FrenchieCat]

12. Look, I remember how Pres. Obama has been treated here....

during both of his administrations....
which is why I stop posting here.
The treatment he received dispirited me and made be back away from politics.

Some of these same suspects are now Sanders' greatest supporters.

I know what both they and Sanders think of Pres. Obama....
which is why Sanders has not denounced that new book coming out, which again, talks about
all of the disappointments suffered at the hand of Pres. Obama.

But NOW, there's gonna be a revolution just for Bernie Sanders!
Now, I find that very special!

I think the difference is that Obama didn't say or do everything some of y'all wanted him to....
but Bernie Sanders can promise everything (what's not to like?),
because finally, here's someone saying everything y'all been longing to hear,
although there are no realistic path to actually get it done other than that revolution
...oh, but that's Ok Dokey!
Cause Vive la Revolution!


Before Sanders, there was John Edwards (due to his behind the scene pecadillos), and
Kucinich....
I remember it all very well. Guys with the gift of knowing exactly what to say....

Both unelectable as all get out.....
and who would have lost us an election,
if enough would have followed behind them.

[Cha]

18. Not only has sanders not "denounced" the "disappointment" book. He recommends it on the

cover.

I know of AA members on The Obama Diary who are not impressed with sanders at all and becoming less so each day. Actually they're now disgusted.

They were not big on Hillary in the beginning of the primary but after sanders has shown so much disrespect to President Obama and Hillary has embraced him.. they are For her now because they feel she will carry on his legacy.. and I couldn't be happier.

[DonCoquixote]

20. I hear that,. however

If I do not want war with Syria
If I do not want more support for h1b visas
if I do nto want the tpp, or the KXL

then how does Hillary interpret my vote as anything but an endorsement of all of these?

[gollygee]

22. That's why I'm voting against her in the primary

However, she will most likely get the nomination, and if she does, I will happily vote for her to keep any of the clown car candidates out of office.

Also, different people have different priorities based on their life experiences. I'm white and I'm from the industrial Midwest. The TPP is my big issue. I hate "free trade" agreements. Other people with other life experiences are going to have other priorities, and they aren't stupid or misinformed if they do.

[Coolest Ranger]

53. I don't see any evidence of that

where are you getting this from?

[gollygee]

17. The posts about how great Bernie would be for black people are embarrassing

I cringe when I read them. They are tone deaf and weird.

Most posts about black people at DU are weird. There was one about having black students have a section of a dormitory, and most everyone's response was either "this makes me uncomfortable so it's bad" or "the black students have to learn to deal with discomfort." I don't think people hear themselves. Then someone replies with "segregation is bad" and I say "the enemy is white supremacy. White people using segregation to promote and enforce white supremacy is bad. People of color banding together to overcome white supremacy is not bad." No response. They ignore whatever doesn't follow their beliefs.

[Number23]

25. "They are tone deaf and weird."

That is putting it very, VERY mildly.

[Person 2713]

51. That dorm post pissed me off . I was eating lunch and had to click away

Some times this site is a big

[JustAnotherGen]

52. I couldn't resist responding on that one

Generally it's worthless to discuss issues regarding race in GD or GDP - but that was one where I felt I had the opportunity to point out that our public education system outside of upscale enclaves and posh suburbs (overwhelmingly white) is n EPIC FAILURE.

I will take the opportunity to do so every chance I can.

[brer cat]

21. I want what is achievable.

When the voices of people of color are at best marginalized if not totally silenced, that is not a revolution that represents "we the people" nor will it happen in this country. The next Tamir Rice will not be saved because there is a good job three bus rides away where his mother can join a long line to put in an application and hope her diploma from a sub-standard school doesn't automatically disqualify her from even getting an interview.

It is so good to have you back with us FrenchieCat and I hope you keep posting.

[FrenchieCat]

29. Nice to be back Brer Cat....

From one Cat to another!

[Bradical79]

23. I'm a white liberal male Bernie supporter

and I agree with a lot of what you posted. I made a related post on the premise of more black people supporting Clinton than Sanders, and one of the rationales behind that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511128440

Unfortunately, the rules got the first post locked in GD, and the post in the primary forums has been mostly ignored (predictably... which is why I ignored the rules and posted it in GD in the first place, lol).

I'm pretty much done with the "politics of personal destruction" as you put it. It's fucking exhausting.

Heading back to work, but 1StrongBlackMan invited me over to check out the AA group.Thanks! It's nice to remove myself from the slog of the primary forum and check out the more focused groups for different perspectives. I've been getting overly insulated lately :-P

[Number23]

26. Welcome to the AA forum, Bradical

Hope you stick around.

[Coolest Ranger]

54. Welcome to our side

I appreciate Bernie supporters who get how hard the struggle is for us

[randys1]

24. Yeah, when I pointed out the lecturing, I was silenced. I have concluded that

many Bernie supporters on DU are either not who they say they are or are

...

are


...

Cant say it, will get silenced again. I refuse to post in GDP now because as a liberal, it is not safe for me there.



ps

Just went over to GDP to read, I saw "something wrong with Hillary, mentally ill or something" (was the implication, cant find the post to quote it now) and other stuff...if she is the nominee and she loses, I know who I will blame, and I wont be afraid to say it a few thousand times.

[brer cat]

31. It is sad that some people

on DU are handing ammo to the republicans.

[thereismore]

28. I care about President Obama's legacy very much. He is My President goddammit

and we did not let Hillary get the nomination in 2008 because we knew he was the better candidate, and I love him.

It's why I don't think Hillary should be the nominee this time around either. I just think she will energize republicans like a cattle prod, preview of which we have already seen in IA. If she loses in GE, and I think she would, there goes all Obama's executive orders, and maybe even ACA.

[FrenchieCat]

30. So you think the White male 75 year old Socialist running on a slate of promises

that he knows full well won't pass, and has yet to be vetted by Corporate media and Republicans, and has only been elected by a small blue state of approx 395,000 voters is more electable?

Seriously?

[thereismore]

32. zAgainst a republican YES. nt

[thereismore]

33. Against a republican YES.

We did not want Hillary in 2008. We wanted Obama. I wanted Obama. Did you?

[FrenchieCat]

34. I wanted Obama....always supported him,

But didn't have a problem with Hillary, had she won the primaries.

[thereismore]

35. Well at least we agree on one thing:

We want Obama's legacy to be protected. I think Hillary is a real danger to that. Remember, she didn't want there to BE any Obama legacy. I think there was a deal before the 2008 convention and the Clintons made a political calculation at the end of which was another shot at the Presidency. I think she is actually Obama's enemy, always was. But, to each his own, as they say.

[FrenchieCat]

36. Hillary served in Obama's first administration....

Bernie Sanders called for Barack Obama, the sitting Democratic President to be Primaried in his re-election run.
Evidently, Sanders believed that Obama needed to be vetted again, something never heard of in recent history.
http://wamc.org/post/vox-pop-bernie-sanders-calls-primary-challenger-obama-072811#stream/0

Also, Bernie is lying to voters in terms of giving everyone 40 acres and a mule.
He knows he couldn't get any of what he proposes through a gerrymandered congress,
yet he's supposed to be the Oh so honest one!

[thereismore]

37. She used the same argument against Obama in 2008. Celestial choirs and

The Biggest Fairytale. Pie in the sky! Naive!

It was bullshit then and it is bullshit now. She is the same she was then. Dishonest and fake.

[Number23]

38. You talk about Hillary but it is Sanders that has clearly and LOUDLY stated that he will not

further Obama's legacy. That he will do a "course correction" even on Obamacare which took years and thousands of hours of blood, sweat and tears to pass. Your conspiracy theories about Hillary being "Obama's enemy" are weird and still fall far behind Sanders' clearly stated goal of not furthering Obama's legacy.

So if your concern is Obama's legacy, why in the world are you supporting Sanders?

[thereismore]

39. Can you give me a source to where he said, clearly and loudly, that he won't preserve

Obama's legacy? WTF.

So he was thinking that primarying Obama would push him to the left. I disagree with the tactic but agree with the stated goal. I disagree with Bernie on that, alright?

If that's so bad, how bad is Hillary's calling young black men super-predators?

I think that's a lot worse, but maybe you don't.

[Number23]

40. Google Sanders and "course correction." I'm not doing your work for you

If that's so bad, how bad is Hillary's calling young black men super-predators?

does that have to do with ANYTHING that's being discussed? You are all over the place! Find an issue and stick with it.

You jumped into this thread/forum to talk about how "afraid" you were that Hillary was not going to continue Obama's legacy. I have now informed you that Sanders has very CLEARLY said that he's not going to continue Obama's legacy and now you are going on about super-predators.

[thereismore]

41. For the record,

I think Hillary will ruin Obama's legacy by losing to a republican. I hope that's clear.

Course correction is still with the same ship. It is a continuation. I hope that's clear too. I don't think Hillary would endanger Obama's legacy if she actually became President. I hope that's clear too.

[Number23]

42. Like I said, you're all over the place

Your post #35 in this very thread:

We want Obama's legacy to be protected. I think Hillary is a real danger to that. Remember, she didn't want there to BE any Obama legacy. I think there was a deal before the 2008 convention and the Clintons made a political calculation at the end of which was another shot at the Presidency. I think she is actually Obama's enemy, always was. But, to each his own, as they say.

Now you're saying:

I don't think Hillary would endanger Obama's legacy if she actually became President.

All OVER the place. But I hope you're done doing whatever you're trying to do in this thread and in this forum.

[thereismore]

43. Yes Hillary is a danger to that. If she becomes the candidate,

she loses the general. End of ACA. Got it? Good grief.

[FrenchieCat]

44. That's where we differ....

But then, what's not to like about a 75 year old socialist running on a platform of raising taxes,
and promising to refight health care all over again? Yeah! Go Bernie!

Read this....
http://www.newsnet5.com/decodedc/mr-president-on-behalf-of-an-ungrateful-nation-thank-you

[Number23]

45. That is completely different from what you've been saying

You do realize than when you hit "Post My Reply" that everyone can see what you wrote, don't you? You are not posting in invisible ink and unless you self-delete, what you've written is clearly seen by everyone.

The fact that you seem to have so much trouble staying on the topics/issues that YOU initiate really does speak volumes.

[thereismore]

46. Now that is condescending. What are you saying to me?

I have been consistently saying that Obama is dear to me. Has been ever since I heard him speak at the democratic convention in 2004. I did not know him before.

Now if Clinton became president, she would not rock the boat and the ACA would continue.

But, if she loses in the GE, that's it for ACA and all Obama's executive orders. And I think she would lose. That's why she is a danger to Obama's legacy. Got that? This is the last time I will say it here.

[Number23]

47. What I'm saying is that you have gone from "Hillary is Obama's enemy and will destroy

his legacy" to "actually I don't think she'll do anything to his legacy but what about super predators??!1" to "if she loses the GE THAT will destroy his legacy and that's what I've been meaning to say this whole time!!1" You are ALL OVER THE PLACE which shows you really just dislike her without seeming to know why.

Got that? This is the last time I will say it here.

Thank goodness.

[thereismore]

48. You mostly got it. Thank you for that. And I do know why I dislike her. Bye. nt

[Number23]

49. If you say you believe something but can't articulate what you believe in even the simplest terms

then it's pretty clear that that belief is probably not reality based.

It's like you saying you won't be coming back to this thread. And then coming back anyway. I would really appreciate it if you didn't anymore.

[Coolest Ranger]

55. Then go and leave

You sound like one of those kids who cry every time they don't get what they want and its getting irritating