African American
Related: About this forumMy slightly different rant about "Safe Spaces"
Many DUers are very upset by the idea of safe spaces. They see this as an infringement on their right to free speech at all times and in all places.
There are certain things that seem to beyond most of their understanding:
1) DU, by itself, is a safe space. An online safe space for Democrats. There is not complete free speech here on DU.
Republicans are shown the exit. This is entirely OK with those DUers who reject safe spaces for others. I think this is hypocritical.
2) Most arguing against safe spaces have shown no interest in the racial issues expressed by these campus groups. They are upset about a perceived loss of their right to talk about things that are important to them at any time at any place.
3) Most make a false argument about racial segregation, refusing to read the details of these arrangements for safe spaces that are mostly temporary, and in small specific areas. They instead attempt to go back 50+ years to MLK, the only civil rights person they apparently know, to try to justify their stance. Sound familiar?
but the most important issue to me is #2, their complete lack of interest in what these young black students are saying. This is what tells me that the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Skinner and other partners of DU LLC. If they want protected areas. It's their board they let folks use free of charge. They make the rules. Period.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the protestation against "safe spaces" seems entirely about a perceived loss of their right to talk about things that are important to them at any time at any place. IOWs, the majority population's "right" to make everything, all about them ... as they insist they oppose the status quo.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)not to hear that people want safe spaces, but to realize that the people they are wanting to be kept safe from are very much like you. It isn't surprising that people would find that uncomfortable and react against it.
Discomfort is natural. Discomfort can also lead to growth if people let it. However, people very often fight against discomfort in various unproductive ways.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The assumption that they know enough already is actually depressing.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and disturbing.
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)a white, middle-aged, middle-class male. It would certainly be shameful for me to begrudge others the few safe spaces that they are able to carve out for themselves here and there.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)1. You are absolutely correct re the nature of DU and the hypocrisy of belonging to a site which caters to a specific category in America - yet being twisted that anyone else anywhere might want the same. I stay away from two Conservative sites mentioned from time to time at DU because it's none of my business what goes on there. They have a right to exist as does the Hillary Clinton spin off of which as an O'Malley supporter . . . I'm a member of. It's the only place I can read about the Clinton campaign without having to sift through personal attacks of her supporters.
2. Exactly. And yesterday I posted to a thread where I actually read that black students congregating sets the country back 50 years. That showed me clearly what I've always suspected about a few folks at DU . . . They don't know any black people and or they didn't go to high school or college with any black people. The only thing these universities are doing that "sanction" safe spaces is making what has gone on fr the past 50 years "official". The posters who act like this is something "new" were in a bubble. The idea that black Americans have been alienated by America - is like an earthquake to their psyche. I think we are seeing the true face of Americans who thought everything was just rosy and perfect.
Civil Rights for black people is something they do one Monday in January and that's it. One and done - I didn't save for my kids education and thats the only thing that matter to them. I almost wonder if THAT is some of the resentment?
IE - These black college students should be lucky and suck it up because I went to CC then a state college and it's not fair they are there in the first place?
Or maybe the assume these kids are getting a free ride?
Or maybe they think those who are affluent took something from them/their kid that was rightfully theirs?
They are angry they have the opportunity so REFUSE to listen to ANYTHING that does not fit their personal life narrative?
3. The false argument about racial segregation . . . What's next? Making it illegal for more than three black people to stand within 4 feet of each other? I know - its a RIDICULOUS idea. SILLY! They can't legislate the conversations at my table or your table this holiday season so they want to rule the conversations when we leave our homes?
And the most important issue for you - I think I can make my three points because they have no interest in what these students say or what you or me write. Someone is probably scanning this post now for something "offensive" and alert worthy.
If the truth is offensive - so be it. You can lock me out of this thread, you can hide this post -
IT will NOT change anything I've said/written from truth to lie. And while they sit with their heads buried in the sand - America is changing. Evolve my friends. It is time for you to evolve.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)On Fri Nov 20, 2015, 01:39 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
So you will misrepresent King, too?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7363679
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Insinuating that the poster is a liar and then goes on to insinuate that DU'ers lie a lot. I would say this qualifies as a rude post per tos.
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randys1
(16,286 posts)that over 50% of the people here, are
neverm mind
cant say it -I will be silenced as I have been so many other times when I point out a certain thing
wouldnt have to if we didnt have juries, if we had ACTUAL FUCKING LIBERALS acting as moderators...
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)Keeps going back to a dead man - guys been dead for damn near 50 years!
They need to MOVE ON!
I think it's funny that I'm seeing
*1898 is calling
*this sets us back 50 years
Yet they don't see how they are doing it themselves?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)One would have to know what has happened in the past 50 years, wouldn't one?
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)I'm still shocked that these folks had NO clue that black folks on congregate sometimes congregate in small groups that don't include white folks!
They really don't see black people, know us, interact with us, etc. etc. unless they are throwing us their car keys because we are dressed well standing outside of a restaurant with a valet.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)that Dr. King said (and he said it A LOT!) that white liberals need to get their shit together.
JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)Their heads will explode. It will be a sad Thanksgiving for their famlies.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,869 posts)I wasn't sure if I was as clear as I could be.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I've had a hard time reading the threads out there about it. Chitown's thread about this was fabulous too.
Maybe there will come a day when we can move the conversation on free speech to a discussion of speech equity. It's just a plain fact that despite this country's tradition of teh freedom of speech, some points of view are so privileged that they get amplified to the point where any speech that goes against that point of view gets silenced or muffled.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The current jury system doesn't support this.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Though honestly, if it were me in charge of this place, I'd be banning people a lot more generously for harassing minorities. It only takes a week or so to see the same names who *juuuuust can't help themselves* when a person of color or a woman, etc. dares to complain that things in the world are not ok with them.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)because for years I paid attention to the argument, not who was saying it, is ...
Pay attention to who is saying it. It most certainly will be the same people over and over again, and many of them will never speak publically here on any other issue. This is their thing.
I would ban them, too, based on their pattern of responses, though there is no provision for that on DU.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)do with race, gender, orientation, etc. It didn't come with us with the changeover, unfortunately. It was rarely enforced over there until someone got to toxic levels of bad, but at least you could make the case. Now it just seems like anything goes.
"It most certainly will be the same people over and over again, and many of them will never speak publically here on any other issue. This is their thing."
This is completely true. Like clockwork.
randys1
(16,286 posts)is racist, it is racist
so of course I am being attacked