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Related: About this forumWhere Were White Feminists Speaking Out For Quvenzhané Wallis?
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'Where Were White Feminists Speaking Out For Quvenzhané Wallis?'
http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2013/02/quvenzhane-wallis-white-feminism/
"If there were ever any doubts that white feminists are disengaged from and apathetic to the concurrent racism that Black feminists must navigate in an increasingly hipster and kyriarchal society, look no further than their deafening silence when satirical website, The Onion, called 9-year-old Quvenzhané Wallis a cunt on Twitter.
...Because for many white feminists not all the realization that they do not stand to benefit from acknowledging the intersection of race and feminism renders them mute. The conversation surrounding the lack of inclusiveness and diversity within the feminist movement is one that never progresses because many white feminists feign ignorance of their privilege. They are comfortable allowing their Black counterparts to march in their Slutwalks while protesters carry Woman Is The Nigger Of The World posters because racism is not their battle. Its ours.
They encourage us to shrug off our Blackness for the greater feminist good; the end result being a contemporary plantation tableau defined by Ole Miss and Mammie slaying the patriarchal dragon while the issues of racism and classism are hidden behind the veil of progress. And while this scenario is about as feel-good as The Help, expanding white privilege feminist or otherwise is not equality."
...Though Im sure I will be called divisive for examining the very large cat that has apparently grabbed the tongues of self-proclaimed feminist organizations and torch-bearers who would have essentially stormed the Bastille if any young, white girl had playfully been called a cunt in front of millions of people, Im perfectly fine with that. In fact, I embrace it. Feminism is the flawed solution to a very complex equation, and to get to the root of any complex equation, one must divide. Unfortunately, its becoming increasingly evident that some people dont want us to divide because then well realize something isnt quite adding up.
Lord have mercy... I need a bottle of water and a cigarette after reading this. So much truth. So much PAINFUL truth.
And if any of you want to read or sign the Love Letter to Quvenzhané Wallis, click here http://www.crunkfeministcollective.com/2013/02/24/a-love-letter-to-quvenzhane-wallis/
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Many here on DU were outraged. I don't know everyone's skin color, so I can't really judge the demographics of the outrage, but there was a lot of outrage.
Number23
(24,544 posts)'Cause I didn't see hardly a peep about this from anyone.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Three threads. 50 recs between the three of them. And lots of apologists in all three.
There were probably a dozen on the Boob Song alone with many more recs. No wonder I missed them.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Both happened on the same night. The boob song should have received more attention than the tweet, since it was on TV, as opposed to Twitter, but I don't know if it should have received that much less attention and recs.
To be fair, the boob song had many apologists as well.
I did not know the actress was black, so the viewpoint in the OP never even occurred to me. Unfortunately, skin color is a very common factor in social issues.
Number23
(24,544 posts)She was looking for pieces condemning the Onion's commentary in blogs, magazines etc. created by and for feminists, particularly white ones. She obviously didn't find many.
The fact that I didn't find any out there or on DU lead me to agree with her point that this was obviously not something that people considered to be of any importance.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)such as the E Network, but I still didn't think calling a nine-year-old girl that slur was cool.
I know I have heard more on the boob song than the tweet, but I thought that was just because the boob song was seen by many more people. I don't like to think skin color was a factor, but I can't deny our current culture and history. I feel skin color is an extremely likely factor in the degree of discussions. Sad.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)those links only buttress the point about no outcry here.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)a lot less arguing back and forth on it. Plenty of people made excuses for the crappy shit about women, but I didn't see a single person argue that the tweet was funny. So, the chatter remained mostly about the oscars. (but I'm sure there were a few who were scared to say so) When I brought up the antisemitism too, no takers arguing that was funny that i saw. Just the misogyny was hilarious.
And I think that would have been the situation with any child being singled out like that. Kids are generally not fair game on DU.
xilify
(17 posts)Its human nature
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)My Twitter feed exploded with outrage Monday morning, and it was all from white feminists, the vast, vast majority of whom called the offensive tweet racist as well as sexist.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Obviously neither could the author of this piece. Yet, you're saying there were.
Do you have any links to the "outrage explosion" from white feminists?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)demosocialist
(184 posts)SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)about this at all, except from black women on twitter... the Angry Black Lady, in particular, who I follow, has been the most vocal about not only this, but lisa lampinelli calling her best friend "her nigga" and thinking there is nothing wrong with her saying that. Then there are all of the apologists who think we're getting all emotional over a joke. Yeah, well, when your 5 yr old daughter is called one, I'll be laughing the loudest in your face--sound like a good idea?
This goes back to what I've repeatedly said: to many whites, there is no such thing as a black female born innocent; therefore, we are all fair game to any slur their wretched minds can conjure because they know they've got their apologist posse ready and waiting to ride to their rescue, poor victim that they are...
Number23
(24,544 posts)...The thing about being a little black girl in the world is that you come into it already expected to be less than you almost certainly are, the genius and radiant darkness you possess already set up to be overlooked, dismissed or erased by almost everyone you will ever meet.
...The thing about being a little black girl in the world who is already, at nine years old, confident enough to demand that lazy, disrespectful reporters call you by your name, is that most people will not understand the amount of comfort in one's own skin it takes to do that, will not be able to grasp the sheer fierceness of it, the boldness, the certainty, the love for yourself, and will not be blown away at seeing you do it, though they should be...
...The thing about being a little black girl in the world is that you will be surrounded by other black girls who know. And they will hold your hand and braid your hair and laugh with you. They will tell you that you are a gift. They will let you be perfect and let you be flawed. They will rock you in their arms and protect your heart. They will whisper and shout about all that you are. And in a world that wants you gone from the very moment you are born, they will help you stay alive. Some of them will even help you get free.
We got you, girl.
I really love this. And this is why so many black women just shook their heads and gave folks the "are you crazy" look when there was the discussion around Gabby Douglas' hair at the Olympics.
Yes, there were some black women talking trash about that girls' hair which is not nice, but black women (as a whole, of course) ALWAYS talk trash about each other. None of the comments struck me as anything I hadn't heard my mother, aunts, grandmother etc. say about each other or other folks that we love. This is probably one of the reasons that we are so secure in our own skin.
All the while all of these people (vast majority of whom were white) were castigating black women for talking about Gaby Douglas' hair I was thinking, "most of you guys can pound sand. When this child doesn't get her multi-million dollar endorsement deal from XYZ company because she's not blue-eyed and blonde, these same black women talking trash about her hair will be the same ones boosting her up and getting her through it."
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)it's like they're a virus--if they can find any way to get in and infect, they will.
Number23
(24,544 posts)SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)you'd have to get yourself a nice cup of tea, look up her handle and settle in for some serious scrolling back in time. She posts "awletahm", so you'll be there a while. She's been on a twitter tear about not only this, but the lisa lampinelli mess, too.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)A rec.
If anyone is questioning the content of he OP I would like you to google these words: Stereotype Sapphire.
Then try and say Number23 is being silly.
That was a child. A little girl. And to a black woman in America - calling a little girl a c ya next Tuesday is tantamount to calling her a little whore. They turned her into a "sellable thing" - not a human being deserving all the coddling and adoration of a cute young Drew Barrymore.
And Number23 - my husband says to me last night . . . "You are so damn angry! Good for you! ". I'm so focused on those four assclown outright racist fucks and their lackey down in DC that I can't see straight.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I did exactly what you said. I Googled it. Came up with not just Stereotype Sapphire, but FIVE different stereotypes!
Sapphire
Mammy
Jezebel
Matriarch
Welfare Queen
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/05intersection/gender/AAWomen01a.htm
OMG! Who knew that I had FIVE WHOLE stereotypes that I could fit myself into! FIVE!!!
ETA: I guess they didn't want to add the "tragic mulatto" to the mix.
And you're right about the Drew Barrymore reference and the author of the piece makes a similar judgement. Lord, help us all if The Onion had printed something like that about a little white 9-year old, especially a little blonde one. The offices of The Onion would be burning as we speak.
I'm so focused on those four assclown outright racist fucks and their lackey down in DC that I can't see straight.
Who are the four assclowns?? Is it the folks at The Onion or our favorite Supreme Court justices that have your ire??
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I saw something shiny and got distracted!
You got it - my 'favorite' scrotums on the SCOTUS. And due to the nature of this thread - and the pushback received upthread - I stand by referring to them as male genitalia!
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)When The Onion called nine-year-old Oscar phenom Quvenzhané Willis a gendered, sexualized slur, like thousands of others I watched it unfold live on Twitter. In the days following the uproar, apology, and media attention there developed a sense among many of the black feminists I engage with that white feminists either ignored or did not fully engage the incident. In fact, a well-circulated and well-written article at The Clutch argued exactly that. As a sociologist, I thought that the question of whether or not white feminists did not show up for Quvenzhané could be an empirical question. What I did not realize is that as a black woman, I was not allowed to ask that question. I learned from white feminist scholars, and a few non-white ones as well, that there are questions beyond the scope of empirical analysis. Black women like me should just professionally nevermind.
I asked a general question about the feelings expressed by some black women. Then, as I am trained to do, I made decisions about how I would measure and observe available data to provide one specific version of an answer to my question. That is what we call guided inquiry where I study. It was casual but ethical. I was detailed about each decision I made in the process of selecting white mainstream media organizations to examine. I took a look at their blog and online responses to The Onion tweet and then drew some pretty tame conclusions.
In effect, I made the mind-blowing suggestion that race could be salient to the experience of an event with a black girl at its center. I did not even conclude that white feminists ignored Quvenzhané. I made the more nuanced conclusion that some white feminist media covered or responded to the event but few interrogated race and intersectionality. I never use the word racist and I certainly did not post an honor roll of all the bad white feminists.
Within 24 hours of posting the commentary to my small blog, I was charged with deliberately publishing research designed to deny a white male feminist that wrote arguably the most influential article on the Quvenzhané attack his just due. Next, colleagues began forwarding responses from womens studies scholars. The comments ranged from an argument that I am trying to brutally constrain what constitutes a feminist argument to I conflated feminists organizations with individual feminists to intentionally profit from a cottage industry of racist race-baiting as I plot to destroy feminism from the inside-out. I received long, personal emails from white feminists telling me the high price they have paid professionally and personally for being an ally. They said I spit on their sacrifice by asking how white feminist media responded to Quvenzhané.
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I read Tressie McMillan Cottom's first article analyzing the lack of response from mainstream feminist media, and she made an excellent case. http://tressiemc.com/2013/02/28/did-white-feminists-ignore-attacks-on-quvenzhane-wallis-thats-an-empirical-question/ The attack on Quevenzhane' Wallis wasn't covered by the "leading lights" that you'd typically think of as the go-to white feminist commentators on current events and controversies.
It's disappointing that silence reigned. It's more disappointing that Black women who pointed it out are getting outright threats.
If all that fury could be channeled against assholes who call little Black girls the c-word, that would be something.
(I had one strange experience on FB with this, posting a link to a petition to insist that the Onion apologize. Three hours later, one person I don't talk to much (white male) posted a link to the Onion apology and said shortly "They already apologized." Well, had they three hours before? Or why is it just the bare fact that they said "sorry" means "drop it?"
We still need to talk about why someone thought that was ok in the first place, and then why everyone was in a big hurry to 'move past it'.
Number23
(24,544 posts)One person in this thread alluded that the OP wasn't true and that the twitterverse exploded with righteous indignation after what happened to QW. A simple request for links apparently rendered them mute.
I take comfort in knowing that lots of people noticed the lack of outrage. This is not some "black feminist plot" to avenge ourselves against white feminists. For alot of us, this type of reaction (or rather the lack thereof) is exactly the reason why black women (not to mention black veterans, clergy, gays, college students etc. etc. etc.) have our own institutions. It's hard to be minimized and ignored when you're the ones in charge of the message.
I suspect there is a lot of intersectionality at play here. One, Im a junior junior scholar. I do not get to ask big questions without the institutional patronage of peer review, an adviser, or a senior colleague. More than a few commenters bypassed anonymous commenting to include their titles and institutional affiliations. It was a message about the power differential between us. In the event that I had forgotten my place, they wanted to remind me.
I got out of pocket.
Two, Im a black woman. I asked a question about race while black so I must have some vast conspiracy to discredit white women and feminism, as one commenter argued. I must, because my interests and curiosity are surely, inextricably grounded in a particular narrative of blackness that bubbles as an undercurrent just below my every thought, action, and intent. I am black feminist Django on a revenge quest. I am either in step or I am launching an attack. Those are my options.
...In the final analysis I decided that if I am not supposed to talk about race in feminist circles then talking about race in feminist circles must be the exact right thing to do.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)sounds like this part of the feminist scholarship world is entirely too ingrown, and pretty much an echo chamber of their own parochial interests. They need some daylight and fresh air.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)So, I saw it brought up many times, actually. Didn't see an article on the oscars that omitted the tweet.
But the oscars were something big those writers were planning to review, and the tweet was the icing on that cruel to women cake.
So I don't think I saw any coverage that was about the tweet only. But I don't think I've ever seen any articles ever written solely about a tweet. But Im not big on Twitter.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And there are other articles posted in the thread that corroborate what the author of the piece (along with a hell of alot of other black women) didn't see.
Considering these sisters (and the white people who agree with them) would have probably done copious amounts of research before writing a piece blasting white feminists for their lack of outrage (and the fact that I also couldn't find anything from white feminist groups though I admit to not looking as hard as the authors of these pieces), I'm going to choose to not automatically assume that they are lying.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)very ugly show and both did get wide attention the next day. So the mainstream media got it, but white feminists did not, I guess. I really don't know. I can't imagine anyone writing about it without talking about the Oscars too though. That was sort of my point.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 16, 2013, 05:42 PM - Edit history (1)
publicly about any woman, but most especially any CHILD!!.
Hell, I was outraged when Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a "dumb cunt".
and, believe me, I'm no Palin fan!
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Maybe I'm just old, but I am generally unamused, if not downright disgusted with most
of what passes for "comedy" today, especially when they think racist and/or sexist put downs are "funny" .
I watched South park once and hated it. Being an old hippie who lived in the San Francisco
counterculture during the late 60's and early 70's, I really don't think I'm a "prude".
I like witty, cerebral humor best, but am open to most types except that kind of "shock jock" shit
which seems to think putting people down for who they ARE, rather than, for instance, what they DO
is funny. I just don't get it. I'm also generally also left cold by "gross out" flicks.
They seem to be made for adolescent boys who have yet to acquire all their brains.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)Just a few selected postings . . . while I don't know the complete demographics of the group, I would venture to say it's predominantly "white" based on the pictures of the posters I see. (FYI - there are men on there, too.)
While, yes, there is still a divide, I don't think it's as pervasive as you think. Feminism encompasses all women. It may be that there is not a distinction being made based on race, since feminism is about women's rights - ALL women.
Miss Representation shared a link.
March 1
"The thing about being a little black girl in the world is that even when you are the youngest person ever to be nominated for an Academy Award, many people will use the occasion not to hold you up for all of the amazing things you obviousl...See More
The Thing About Being A Little Black Girl In the World: For Quvenzhané Wallis
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by Mia McKenzie The thing about being a little black girl in the world is that even when you are the youngest person ever to be nominated for an Academy Award, many people will use the occasion not to hold you up for all of the amazing things you obviously are, but to tear yo...
Miss Representation shared a link.
April 17
"It's particularly troubling that blackface persists in a fashion industry that continues to display an overwhelming preference for white models. Models of color even successful ones often face discrimination on the basis of their race....See More
Vogue Runs Another Blackface Editorial
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Vogue Netherlands has published an editorial featuring blackface makeup. The model in the story is Querelle Jansen, the
Miss Representation shared a link.
April 17
"Brave, strong, smart? Not enough. You have to be beautiful. And beautiful means something very specific, and very physical. Essentially every movie and tv show and commercial shows us that, right? It doesnt matter what other merits a woman posses, if she is not conventionally attractive, she is essentially worthless...And my primary problem with this Dove ad is that its not really challenging the message like it makes us feel like it is. It doesnt really tell us that the definition of beauty is broader than we have been trained to think it is, and it doesnt really tell us that fitting inside that definition isnt the most important thing. It doesnt really push back against the constant objectification of women. All its really saying is that youre actually not quite as far off from the narrow definition as you might think that you are (if you look like the featured women, I guess)." - Jazz Brice critiques the new "Real Beauty Sketches" video by Dove
What's your take?
Why Dove's "Real Beauty Sketches" Video Makes Me Uncomfortable... and Kind of Makes Me Angry
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So this video started going around my facebook today, with about a dozen of my female friends sharing the link with comments like, and Everyone needs to see this, and All girls should watch this,...
Miss Representation shared a link.
April 9
"It can be really discouraging to see how far we still have to go and how much work still needs to be done before we can create a world where were all judged by how we are and not how we look, but Im strengthened every day because Im still here, Im surviving, and Im using my voice. When I need to blow off steam, I vent with friends and family who understand and trust my perspective. I nourish myself by speaking up when someone makes a racist (or sexist or homophobic or otherwise bigoted) joke or comment, even when Im scared to make the situation uncomfortable. And I try to tell my story as much as I can, because its important for me to let other black girlsand those who love usknow that theyre not alone." - Jamia Wilson, ROOKIE
Rookie » Black Girl Lessons
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My first encounter with racism cut up my insides so much that my stomach still churns every time I think about it. It was in first grade. My family had just moved, so I was the new kid in school.
Miss Representation shared a link.
April 9
"Today, April 9, is Equal Pay Daythe date that marks how many extra days women must work in 2013 to earn what men earned in 2012...Women on average earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns for comparable worka gender wage gap of 23 percent. Women of color suffer from an even more severe gap...African American women and Latinas in the United States are paid $18,817 and $23,298 less than non-Hispanic white men yearly, respectively. Thats 64 cents and 55 cents for every dollar a man earns...As families continue to rely on women to contribute to household income and support their families, closing the wage gap for all women and in particular women of color is an imperative." - Center for American Progress
How Pay Inequity Hurts Women of Color
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With women being the breadwinners in a growing number of families, pay equity isnt only a basic right, it is an economic necessityparticularly for women of color.
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All discrimination must end. None of us are equal until we are ALL equal.
Number23
(24,544 posts)that the feminist movement has largely ignored them, as this OP highlights, and even when another OP in this forum talks about black feminists you probably haven't heard of because of the color of their skin your reply is still: Feminism encompasses all women. It may be that there is not a distinction being made based on race, since feminism is about women's rights - ALL women.
Perhaps it would benefit to do a bit of historical reading and not just "go with your gut" or what your heart wants to believe on the issue:
http://www.mit.edu/activities/thistle/v9/9.01/6blackf.html
The Black Feminist Movement grew out of, and in response to, the Black
Liberation Movement and the Women's Movement. In an effort to meet the
needs of black women who felt they were being racially oppressed in
the Women's Movement and sexually oppressed in the Black Liberation
Movement, the Black Feminist Movement was formed. All too often,
"black" was equated with black men and "woman" was equated with white
women. As a result, black women were an invisible group whose
existence and needs were ignored. The purpose of the movement was to
develop theory which could adequately address the way race, gender,
and class were interconnected in their lives and to take action to
stop racist, sexist, and classist discrimination.
The feminist movement still has a long way to go but it has gotten much better since its inception. But I'm not the least bit interested in pretending that the movement has always been about ALL women. I don't believe that this is honest and it is certainly no way to address the lingering issues that remain or encourage even more progress.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)bell hooks.
I never said it had always been about all women. I wasn't pretending anything of the sort. I'm not disputing the fact that black women have suffered - aren't still suffering - hugely in society. Are black women fully equitable in the movement today? Probably not, but I don't think it's a plot by white feminist women to keep black women out. That's why I made the post I did, to illustrate that yes, feminism does embrace women of color and address issues specific to race as well as sex.
As I stated, I fully believe that it's still primarily a man's world. A white man's world. A white straight christian man's world. In that vein, the point I was trying to make is that it wasn't only Black feminist women "we probably never heard of". There are THOUSANDS of people we never heard of - women - and men - of every color, sex, orientation, race, creed, color, etc.
You're right that it was the black civil rights movement that helped spur the women's rights movement. I think the "equality movement" has made the causes inextricably entwined even when people didn't think of it consciously. I fully believe, however, that equality is equality is equality. We don't get to pick and choose who get's to be equal and who doesn't. You're right that in the hierarchy of discrimination, black women bring up the rear. Well black lesbian women are probably dead last. Ok black trans women. well, you get the idea. . .
You're also right that if it's a "sex" issue - white & black men band together, if it's a race issue, white men and women stick together. That's leaves black women with just themselves. It has only been lately that feminists have embraced women of color, I readily admit that. But what I don't admit, is that they are not considered a part of it now Feminism is about women's equality, period. Regardless of race, creed, or color. I maintain that feminists - real feminists - embrace the equality of ALL. Each and every person. Everyone has value. Everyone should have a voice.
I can't make up for the past - and I do know history - but I can do my damnedest for the future.
Number23
(24,544 posts)(as well as of course, the issues of sexism within the black and overall community). Interesting that you use her to make your point.
And Feminism has been WELL DOCUMENTED to primarily concern itself with the issues of white women. Why do you have such difficulty acknowledging that? It has never been about ALL women in the feminist movement, which is what leads to proclamations such as this:
http://newblackwoman.com/2011/12/03/i-am-no-longer-a-feminist/
I can't speak for black men and would certainly never pretend to, but I've always felt that black people band together first and foremost. In every environment I've ever had, if given the choice between joining with a white woman or a black man, there was no contest. Particularly as I've had SIGNIFICANTLY fewer issues with black men (because of culture) than I've had with white women. And I've heard that countless times from black women of every age.
The problem is that sexism is what leads to black women's issues being minimized when discussing problems in the black community and racism minimizes black women's issues when discussing the problems of gender. There is probably very little "banding" between black and white men on any issue.