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Related: About this forumThis is an interesting article. Posted in the AA Group
Bernie Sanders Tries to Meet with Black Leaders but Nobody Shows Up: Only 6 Congressional Black Caucus Members Attendhttp://www.blackpressusa.com/bernie-sanders-tries-to-meet-with-black-leaders-but-nobody-shows-up-only-6-congressional-black-caucus-members-attend/#sthash.XCEgbduk.gg1roSP0.dpbs
Goes along with this article:
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/bernie-sanders-wows-exuberant-atlanta-crowd/nndC6/
Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders brought his insurgent campaign and populist message to Atlanta on Friday and wowed a crowd of more than 1,200.....Austin Carter, 24, a contractor and Navy veteran, said he first became intrigued with Sanders a few years ago, and now that the Vermont senator is running, Carter, who paid $50 to attend Friday nights rally, is ready to help.
Its the money in politics issue that resonates with me, Carter said.
The crowd at Sanders event was unusual for a Democratic Party gathering in Georgia in that it was overwhelmingly white. Sanders ability or lack thereof to attract African-American voters, who make up large chunks of the Democratic base, has dogged his campaign.
Clintons campaign is aware of the pale nature of Sanders support and has said Georgia and other Southern states will help propel her to the nomination.
Tharon Johnson, a top Democratic operative in Georgia who helped lead President Barack Obamas 2012 campaign in the South, said Sanders must find a way to draw more support from black voters.
The population of Atlanta is over five million, and is 1/3 black.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)DC come 2017.
Hope it works out well for them...
MADem
(135,425 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)"overwhelmingly white" crowd in a way that makes even the tiniest bit of sense and doesn't show some major deficiencies in their campaign, I would be much obliged.
But thank God, at least he left Cornel at home. This time.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Should have ditched him YESTERDAY. Or even smarter, never aligned himself with the man to begin with.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I know he would be served well.
Number23
(24,544 posts)His reliance on the belief that "economics fixes/trumps all" and "I marched with Martin but if you that's not enough for you people" vibe certainly does explain the quality of his fan base, but I have no doubt that he is someone who can be reasoned with.
I also believe that he is a strong supporter of minority rights in his own way. I'd be glad to have the opportunity to chat with him.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Hopefully that invite would reach his desk and be approved. I'll wait to hear from everyone. Worth a try.
Number23
(24,544 posts)(Except apparently, Alan Grayson)
So if you want to invite him or anyone else, I say go for it! But don't get your hopes too high.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)PRESS CONTACT
Email: press@berniesanders.com
Phone: (855) 4-BERNIE
That's his info, which is public. I'll wait to get one more host vote before I fire off an email or make a phone call.
MADem
(135,425 posts)donations.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I asked President Obama to come to BOG months ago, but I'm not surprised that never happened. He only has a billion things on his plate at any given moment.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)If he ever shows up we'll know who to thank.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I thought you were talking about Bernie. My bad. I'd be really shocked if PBO ever showed up, but very happy.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:15 PM - Edit history (1)
Which African Americans are acceptable supporters for Bernie Sanders? [View all]
Clearly, Cornell West is inadequate. Given the very particular tastes of some posters regarding politically vocal black leaders (God knows Mumia is unwelcome among the more concerned, presumably pro POC/DEFINITELY FOP folks) which particular AA spokesperson would be a sure sign of Bernie making acceptable inroads?
Jesse Jackson? (check)
Michael Jackson?
Bill Cosby?
give us a suitable target for recruitment!
its all about race demographics, apparently, but specific examples of top tier voices seem to meet some serious objections from the reality based folks...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251588184
Lisa D
(1,532 posts)No words
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)How many times in one day does my jaw drop at the racially insensitive things on here? What has happened to this site?
Number23
(24,544 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)gospel.
Response to steve2470 (Reply #15)
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steve2470
(37,457 posts)are you speaking to me or the gem author ?
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Spazito
(50,363 posts)I don't even have the words to describe how ugly I think that post is.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)did not carefully read your post...will delete the other one!
steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Atlanta is a hot bed of reverse migrationists. It's not just those folks who have generation upon generation - its the children of the last of the Great Migration going to some kind of "back home".
Six people from my high school class in Western NY live there now. All born and raised in WNY - by parents born and raised in the deep South. Very Democratic. Very very blue. All at minimum affluent with advanced degrees.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Negrotown. It is CRAWLING with black people and was one of the first major American cities with black folks in all levels of government. Has had black mayors forever.
And like you said, these are black folks with historical knowledge and understanding and got the education on top of that.
BumRushDaShow
(129,085 posts)not a one born in the south. And I think perhaps because the cost of living/housing is less (you get more bang for the buck) plus the storied civil rights history as a black political powerhouse (really ratcheting up with Maynard Jackson). My great-grandfather graduated from Atlanta U in 1883 (and my great-grandmother a year or so later)... And with all the historically black colleges there you would think... But if one is there speaking on frequencies that we can't hear because they are out of sync when they reach us, then we certainly won't respond.
Number23
(24,544 posts)"why is it so hard for Bernie to connect with black voters, if it's done honestly and in good faith? Why is it so hard for him?"
And of course it was met with the usual deluge of insults and pseudo-intellectual babble about how blacks are "not a monolith" (Isn't it precious the particular topics that white folks toss that around on?? As if it really is news to them that black folks really aren't a monolith?? So of course that means in their heads that the 19 black folks that support xyz are far more indicative of black support rather than the 9,772,638 that DON'T.)
As I said in another thread, anyone running for a national office in the Dem party and comes to ATLANTA or to an HBCU and gets a majority white crowd is doing something horribly wrong. My daring to state that is what lead to my postings being called a "jihad" against Sanders by one of his particularly desperate supporters.
There has been yet another recent analysis of Sanders' dearth of support in minority communities. I dare not post it, even here, even though it was done by a left-leaning publication (Salon). That's how crazy and separated from reality things are here now.
BumRushDaShow
(129,085 posts)he "left" the civil rights movement behind in 1968 and a lot has changed since then. One can't begrudgingly try to pick up where one left off when the heart is not really in it... and then when you do try, you throw your surrogate team under the bus (Joe Madison ranted about that this morning). Tone deaf doesn't even describe it.
Number23
(24,544 posts)the end, afaic. All of the desperate blanketing of this web site with "Sanders, Sanders he's our man!" and nervously high fiving each other won't change any of that.
I posted a few weeks ago I searched black media up and down and back up again trying to find a pro-Sanders piece anywhere. I looked in every bit of black media I could find. Girl, I even looked at the Jet magazine web site!
And I found... NOTHING. Not ONE pro-Sanders piece in black media. But I did find the piece you linked to and a veritable SLEW of articles from people disappointed in his campaign's addressing of black issues as well as a ton of pieces from black people, from white people, from multiracial people absolutely beyond disgusted by the quality and behavior of his supporters.
One can't begrudgingly try to pick up where one left off when the heart is not really in it.
I honestly don't know if that's it or not. But SOMETHING is holding this man back on this issue.
BumRushDaShow
(129,085 posts)lest it be alerted... but suffice it to say I expect that he made a conscious decision to "move on" as our agenda was not his in the full depth and breadth of it's original raison d'etre.
The one thing that biographical articles indicate about him is that he tends to keep trying... So perhaps he will realize that our large demographic is really really critical to success and he should keep "trying" to make some inroads, despite his rather raucous supporters who believe that one cannot walk and chew gum at the same time.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I've never gotten a Jihadist vibe off of you.
Number23
(24,544 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Spazito
(50,363 posts)Hampshire are because the population of those states are overwhelmingly white can't be used anymore, imo.
It's not the lack of people of color in the various states that's the problem, the problem is with Bernie and his campaign and this reinforces that point, imo:
"The crowd at Sanders event was unusual for a Democratic Party gathering in Georgia in that it was overwhelmingly white. Sanders ability or lack thereof to attract African-American voters, who make up large chunks of the Democratic base, has dogged his campaign."
MADem
(135,425 posts)He spoke in a county that was, precisely, 1/3 black, and his crowd was pretty much all white.
And there was no cover charge at that venue, but he still couldn't pull in a mixed crowd.
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/08/21/in-south-carolina-sanders-tries-to-court-black-voters
Sanders gets raucous, but mostly white welcome in South Carolina as he works for black support
Spazito
(50,363 posts)I am not surprised at all, his message doesn't reach the black community, it doesn't resonate at all and for good reason, imo. Without social justice, economic equality will NOT happen for the black community, he and his supporters cannot get it or they do get it and choose not to address it, probably a combination of both.
Number23
(24,544 posts)my posting being called a "jihad" against Sanders by a clearly desperate and disturbed Sanders supporter.
He's polling 3% in black communities in SC right now. That appears to be okay to some of his supporters. The sin is POINTING OUT that he's only polling at 3% in AA communities and not screaming "Halejujiah!" when someone posts the inevitable pics of him standing next to a brown person or of any brown person being in the vicinity of his events. Even if the brown person is openly supporting someone else.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And the "Where's Waldo" game in pictures in places like Hotlanta and South Carolina are just ... sad.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)someone in GDP had the nerve to say "race baiting". I was freaking agog. This person was accusing someone else of race baiting. Frankly that really pissed me off, so I didn't respond.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)why not trash the group, and never have to be confronted with inconvenient truths? Apparently, this group is drawing attention, for all the wrong reasons, and the regular posters are being slowly but surely silenced.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)black college, Blow said that the majority of the people who came to hear Sanders speak were white.
Even at a BLACK COLLEGE in freaking SOUTH CAROLINA, most of his supporters are white. How does this happen? First Atlanta and now this??? No wonder far too many of his supporters attack every single person that dares to point out his low support in AA communities and have made it their personal mission to harass anyone with melanin that hasn't sworn a blood oath to support him.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)LISTEN to the screams of minority communities about what's important to us and dump Cornell. He doesn't have to flounder like this!
steve2470
(37,457 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Cornell couldnt be a bigger mistake on his part if he wants the Black vote.
Spazito
(50,363 posts)I am not surprised, his message is one note and one note only, economic equality. It doesn't recognize the essential need for social justice as being equally important and without that recognition, the message is completely inadequate, imo.
His supporters aren't helping him, they are hurting him when they attack those who try to point this out, attacking those who explain why he's not attracting support from the black community has become almost a religion with some. It is beyond ugly, imo.
randys1
(16,286 posts)a candidate off their message.
From the get go Bernie simply didnt have a "race" issue in his repetitive speech, not that he doesnt care about the issue and wouldnt do the right thing, he would for the most part but I think he figured he had to have one note, stay on it, etc.
That is OK if you are a Senator trying to raise hell with all the corrupt bastards, which he does really well.
But now, running for Prez, it is not working. He can fix it, though.
Spazito
(50,363 posts)His base is fine with it but his base is narrow, not near wide and deep enough to move him upward, imo. I have to say when I listen to his speeches and his interviews it's like listening to a looped segment, same single focus, same tone, same, same, same. It has become cliched to me and, I suspect to others, and when that happens I tune out and move on.
randys1
(16,286 posts)he is saying the same thing he has said for a very long time.
He is the real deal, but he does need to mix it up some.
Spazito
(50,363 posts)but tying all the other equally important issues together and making them merely a subset of lesser importance than his singular issue of economic inequality is an error, a big one, imo.
I have noticed he is quite uncomfortable when questioned in interviews on other issues outside of his focused one, that is the downfall of repeating the same mantra the same way for thirty plus years, imo.
He needs to both change up his talking points in tone, tenor and even content as well as begin speaking on the other issues completely separate from his economic message in order to both reach a broader voter base and become comfortable both with the issues themselves and in speaking about them, again imo.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Or Hillary.
That is why all this focus on personalities is such a huge distraction, and an intended one, by the way.
One person will not fix it all, cannot.
Our system is rotten, Bernie can help fix it by getting the message out and maybe someone else needs to push it along, I dont know.
But we are doing it again, us electorate.
We are focusing on one person, whether it is Bernie or Hillary, and putting everything on that one person.
Mistake.
Somehow we have to FORCE the politicians, ALL the politicians, to do the right thing, not sure how.
Spazito
(50,363 posts)It is incremental and painfully slow, imo. Another reality is to do what the republicans did years ago and that is to focus down ticket, way down ticket if you will; school board, municipal office and state office. Gerrymandering occurs at the State level not at the national level. Education changes in curriculum happens at the local level with State involved as well. By working at this level, a party does two things, makes key changes at the local level which can reverberate far beyond that level and it also provides rich grounds for finding good candidates to help progress up the ticket, candidates who can work to make the changes badly needed.
Focusing on the Presidency as the cure-all is a huge mistake, imo. The powers of the Presidency is severely limited and deliberately so. The power of Congress in tandem is the key yet I see little, if any, discussion on this important part of the upcoming election at all. Even though the House is not in play due to gerrymandering, it is still in need of some focus, the Senate, is a whole other ball game, it is eminently 'getable'.
Lisa D
(1,532 posts)I follow him on Twitter and he had some interesting things to say about the rally (and got some interesting responses).
Charles M. Blow ?@CharlesMBlow 3h3 hours ago
The income inequality message that Sanders kept hammering got a rousing response from wht ppl in audience, but hardly a peep from blks...
Number23
(24,544 posts)http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/opinion/charles-m-blow-bernie-sanders-and-the-black-vote.html?_r=0
Democratic presidential hopeful Senator Bernie Sanders spoke Saturday to a half empty gymnasium at Benedict College in South Carolina. The school is historically black, but the crowd appeared to be largely white.
What the EVER LOVING HELL??!!!
There is an idealistic crusader in the man, possibly to the point of being quixotic, but at least it doesnt come off as having been corrupted by money or power or the God complex that so often attends those in pursuit of the seat behind the Resolute Desk.
That, I agree with completely.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)My concern with BS' "supporters" is if they ever gave a shit about income inequality, or home foreclosures before it hit their own neighborhoods? There are neighborhoods that have been living with these inequities for their entire existence.
Color me unimpressed. BS' message is not one of inclusion AFAIC. He's focused on middle class issues, but there's a huge swath of people who have are not & never were "middle class".
Number23
(24,544 posts)never were middle class."
That is an excellent point, TD.
randys1
(16,286 posts)their world is being rocked.
Until it was, I dont see most, not all, most of them being political junkies like some others, wanting the right thing to be done simply because it is the right thing, etc.