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TPP (Original Post) heaven05 May 2015 OP
K&R! marym625 May 2015 #1
trying to keep up heaven05 May 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author marym625 May 2015 #9
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That's how I see it. bravenak May 2015 #2
we'll see heaven05 May 2015 #7
Yep. bravenak May 2015 #12
So far, I'm agnostic Jamaal510 May 2015 #3
okay heaven05 May 2015 #6
That's exactly what they said about NAFTA. marym625 May 2015 #10
I will wait to see, heaven. sheshe2 May 2015 #4
I pray you're right heaven05 May 2015 #5
And if this is true--and I hope to the goddess that it is not--I would need to ask why... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #15
I'm waiting to see. Three things. First, I believe Barack Obama is a great man. Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #13
Okay heaven05 May 2015 #14
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
8. trying to keep up
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:57 AM
May 2015

with issues that affect the working poor and just plain folks that are struggling to put food on the table and keep the lights on.

Response to heaven05 (Reply #8)

Response to marym625 (Reply #9)

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
3. So far, I'm agnostic
Thu May 21, 2015, 04:07 PM
May 2015

when it comes to my feelings about the bill. I heard that it's supposed to keep a leash on China and stop them from running the international marketplace, along with fixing what was wrong with NAFTA. I think the President does have a point that our trade policy has to be fixed, but then I hear all these unions oppose his TPP idea, while many Republicans in Congress seem to support it (which raises kind of a red flag for me). I want to wait a while longer and find out more about it, and wait for the final version before I come up with my judgment one way or the other.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
6. okay
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:54 AM
May 2015

I am hoping all our interests, especially the interests of the struggling poor, here and in Asia are at least kept as a priority.

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
4. I will wait to see, heaven.
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:31 PM
May 2015

I for one do not believe this President, whom I so respect is going to sell us out to the highest bidder.

GD is full of accusations, that he is a sell out. A Trojan Horse. I am not buying that.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
5. I pray you're right
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:52 AM
May 2015

if he really is would be a HUGE disappointment. To be clear: I am saying the bill is for rich people and not in our favor. I just hate the thought of brown and white poor fighting over the crumbs while the Asian workers are being exploited over the need of them for their crumbs. That's all. I hope against hope our POTUS really will show he has our interests in mind when this is over......if ever, over.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
15. And if this is true--and I hope to the goddess that it is not--I would need to ask why...
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:16 AM
May 2015

WHY would he leave a legacy like this? Why would he want to be known as *THE* president who purposefully made a decision that directly helped the wealthy and hurt the poor?

His background and upbringing--everything he has done in his life--would have meant nothing.

He gave up a lucrative career on Wall Street to become a Civil Rights Attorney, a law professor, and a community organizer. Why? Why sacrifice all of that only to be a champion for the rich in the end????

Ask yourselves? Does that make any sense given what we know about this man, his background, and his former actions before he became president?

It simply would not make sense.

There simply has to be more to this TPP story than we know.

That's why I'm willing to wait and see...

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
13. I'm waiting to see. Three things. First, I believe Barack Obama is a great man.
Tue May 26, 2015, 05:09 PM
May 2015

He is a good man and I do not believe that he would intentionally hurt American workers. Second, I don't this president is a thoughtless man; in other words, there's a method to this madness. Why is he so passionate about this TPP? There has to be a noble reason why, and I do not, for one second, believe that it is because he is out to destroy the American worker. And third, the president is smart. There have been times when those on the political left--myself included--have overreacted, angrily derided this president over a decision he made, believing that he betrayed us on principle. But this man is smart. And one aspect of psychological racism that I see especially from white folk is talking down to this president as if they know better than him and as if they are smarter and more intelligent than he is. What ends up happening is that for the most part, he has been right. Or, his decision making has turned out to be more pragmatic, or the best possible solution from a list of bad solutions--all of which he has so control over.

I should be clear that there have been several policy decisions on which I have had strong disagreements with the president. But, for the most part, even I have to admit that he had been correct (maybe not "right&quot on many of them.

Even Paul Krugman, who was a very harsh critic from the very beginning, has had to soften his approach and admit that President Obama will be regarded as one of the greatest presidents this country has even seen.

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