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Related: About this forumListen: Michael Eric Dyson's Interview on His Break With Cornel West
http://www.theroot.com/articles/politics/2015/04/michael_eric_dyson_tells_the_root_about_his_split_with_mentor_cornel_west.html?wpisrc=
Something irrational is going on, Dyson said, later adding, It was the nastiness of the tone. The unprincipled assault. Theres a difference between that and ad hominem.
Wests ever personal turn has obscured the sometimes powerful and sometimes luminous and other times legitimate critique he may have, according to Dyson.
But when you weight it down under the burden of extraordinary, personal bitterness, it just wipes away all the good stuff that you might say and makes us question what it is about the motivation for your criticism in the long run, he said.
Dyson is talking about both Wests critique of Obama and of the scholars attacks on Dyson and his peers, both older and younger, primarily Melissa Harris-Perry, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. West has called them all traitors of sorts, liars and opportunists who choose to toe the Obama administration line. This despite the fact that all have been critical of President Obama at one point or another, but have couched their criticism with respect for both the office and the place President Obama holds in the hearts of many African Americans.
West, who has compared himself to slain civil rights icon Martin Luther King Jr., has called them false prophets, leading with the idea that his voice is the only one ringing with any truth.
Yet, for Dyson, there is something very unlike MLK about this assessment.
Maybe now the folks who have come back here and been shocked at the derision from regular participants will get it now?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)I can't even claim to have a modicum of respect left for him. He's done damage to his reputation, and that makes him useless for our community now.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)And he's so hard to relate to.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)That was an awesome read, JAG.
Is West upset that his placeor his perceived placein the hearts and minds of African Americans was supplanted by Obama? Dyson doesnt think Wests ego is that huge to believe he could box with the place in history Obama earned. But the deeply personal nature of his attacks seems to hint that something is amiss, he says.
It would take an egomaniac to believe that you had a chance first of all. That it's a competition. To think that you're in competition with him to begin with is ridiculous, Dyson said.
Is it okay for me to say, one angry black man. He and Tavis have pissed me off for a long time.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Letter From Birmingham - MLK was pissed. But it was righteous and beautiful.
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)It is petty. It's look at me, look at me!
http://abacus.bates.edu/admin/offices/dos/mlk/letter.html
You are always being asked to wait.
the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season."
Cha
(297,323 posts)that narcissistic, disingenuous, ugly spirited, Cornel West.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)He's someone the Progressive community tends to respect - and is absolutely brilliant. They will listen.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)"Maybe now the folks who have come back here and been shocked at the derision from regular participants will get it now?"
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)some DUers come into the AA group to re-quote some C. West criticism of President Obama ... as if, because C. West is saying it, Black folks should fall in line.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He and Tavis Smiley both act like outrageous jerks about Obama. I can taste the jealousy coming from Dr. west. He ought to be ashamed.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)It must not have been easy for Eric Dyson to reach these conclusions. West went way overboard in his attacks on both President Obama and many other strong good hearted people, imo.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)It's a shame that they have taken a flame thrower to their own legacies and credibility in this way. I used to love me some Cornel West.
Also, take note of the folks that still toss these brothers names around as if they still have clout. Nine times out of ten, it's not anyone with any valid connection or understanding of the black community but is a likely Obama hater that gets the tingles at the prospect of using a black person to criticize this president.
Some cretin actually sent me a link to an article on Black Agenda Report here. The second I saw the name of the publication in the link, I just laughed. I know a lot of black people and NONE of them take that spittle flecked rag even the tiniest bit seriously. Again, for some folks, the prospect of using brown folks to slam this president is just too tempting, even when the sources they're using to do so are only given the tiniest bit of clout in clueless white communities and most black folks won't give them the time of day.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)As I read the first two paragraphs, I was starting to formulate a post adding Ford to the list of Black folks white folks just love to tell Black folks, we should be listening to and agreeing with.
Then, I got to your third paragraph ... Never mind! Nothing for me to say
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)All that needs to be said here - http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6570187
If only "pretty words" could translate to community activism.
Ever notice how he brothers and sisters to death but never rubs shoulders with us unwashed masses?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and getting his "stare", after asking why he wasn't teaching out of a HBCU.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Again - things are pretty cushy in Princeton. I should see if I can get my friend who is doing down there what I'm doing in my town - a community kitchen - to call him for a donation.
I'll give her the list of prominent Conservatives in my district that have given and are volunteering time to the cause. Shame him a little bit in case he says "no".
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)he might give a donation ... But I seriously doubt he'd drop it off in person ... unless there was a TV camera.
Number23
(24,544 posts)1StrongBlackMan
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LOL ... I am tracking down the "Truthout" connection/commonality.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)There's a post in GD on this.
Those warren/sanders folks will never help us.
How do I know?
They cling to this clown - who has succeeded only because so many black folks have not.
He only has a job because of that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)the pie as they're used to getting are the core patrons and audience for BAR. They can all have each other.
And I love how the article is actually trying to give West credit for Obama's successes! Who the fuck is Chris Floyd? Any man that is only able to make create an international reputation for themselves by putting down another brother (MED) gets nothing from me. Even Corny was well established and regarded before he fell on the hate train with Obama.
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these are people who think blackagendareport is the voice of the african american community.
they think or want to believe the opinion of people of color on here are not representative of most others.
but when you get election results they will claim black people voted for the dem they hate only because obama told them to even though they tried to claim black people don't like him.
this is the type of logic you deal with.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)I noticed too, the "truthtopower" mantra getting spouted.
"Those warren/sanders folks will never help us."
Nope.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I read this morning - someone write "fuck so an so and Sharpton".
Sharpton.
One of the most reviled and hated black Americans by even moderate Republicans. The man who ran for President with a platform that included being pro Same Sex Marriage. A man who speaks to Poverty and Class every chance he gets.
. . . And the slithey toves did gyre and gimble in the . . .
You seen that Jabberwock lately? I have and that thing is uuuuuuggggg-leeeee.