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groovedaddy

(6,229 posts)
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 01:00 PM Mar 2012

Post-Traumatic Stress’s Surprisingly Positive Flip Sid

Sgt. Jeffrey Beltran pulled a heavily creased Post-it note from the pocket of his fatigues, unfolded it and looked over a list he jotted down earlier that day: pick up an order of beef lo mein, take his dress uniform to work (jacket, pants and boots), do schoolwork. Beltran’s Army-issue organizer is also filled with these reminders, and he checks them every so often to jog his memory — folding and unfolding them throughout the day. Beltran’s life is filled with sticky notes because his short-term memory is no longer reliable, a result of what the Army calls a mild traumatic brain injury that he suffered in an I.E.D. attack in Iraq in 2005.

“I have pictures,” said Beltran, who is 44, as he pulled a worn Ziploc bag from his backpack and removed a half a dozen photographs. He began laying the images on his desk. “We were turning our vehicle around when we got hit.”

The photos, taken right after the explosion, show a plowed field next to a road. A few palm trees frame the horizon. In the foreground there is a deep crater. About 20 feet away, the front half of a Humvee is turned upside down. The back half is gone — parts were later discovered hundreds of feet away. When the bomb exploded, Beltran was launched into the air and landed between the blast hole and the Humvee. When he came to, he couldn’t stand up. “I knew something was wrong,” he said. “I felt swelling inside my legs. I was hyperventilating in the heat. The dirt was starting to settle down. I called out to my guys. I couldn’t see them.”

The blast broke Beltran’s knee and leg, fractured his lower spine and buried shrapnel in his thigh; the violent jolt caused his brain injury. He suffered so many wounds that he had to pause in the retelling to make sure he hadn’t left anything out. He underwent 14 operations over the next year. “I was dealing with post-traumatic stress, anger, all the emotions, the ups and downs, the physical, emotional, psychological pain,” he told me. “I was really angry. I wanted to get healed and get back into the fight.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/magazine/post-traumatic-stresss-surprisingly-positive-flip-side.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120325

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adigal

(7,581 posts)
1. Jeez, all it took was multiple deployments and serious injuries to get motivated?
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 01:35 PM
Mar 2012

Seems like there should be an easier way to motivate someone. Looks like the NY Times is doing a glass half-full article.

applegrove

(118,676 posts)
3. Great article. Explains why 'the Greatest Generation' were so great. They came back from WWII
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 08:38 PM
Apr 2012

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with a depth of feeling for their fellow man. And build a great country in the USA that is now being dismantled by the GOP with their shallow emotions.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
4. But something doesn't make sense...
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 10:06 PM
Apr 2012

The men who fought in WW!! were pumped with this "John Wayne" machismo.

My father was in the war for 6 years. He had pictures but he never really talked about his experiences. If he cam back with an enhanced emotional outlook, why didn't he pass any
of those feelings on to me, his son. Wouldn't you think that he would want to pass on
a bit of what he discovered about himself or people?

I understand what is being said but I have never noticed this in other people.

The Viet Nam soldiers never talked much about their experiences either.

Maybe they figured that people who didn't have the experience wouldn't be able to understand.

Anybody have any additional thoughts?

applegrove

(118,676 posts)
5. I have ptsd and I find I like people who have not necessarily had an easy life. I just don't
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:11 PM
Apr 2012

have the time for those to whom things come easily. I am also numb with ptsd. I have alot going through my mind all the time and don't share 1/200th of it. I have grown in my understanding of psychology and how the world works over the years. I'm less empathetic (I used to be overempathetic) but feel more connected to the world - if I hold out my arms I feel the world hugging me back. I'm brittle when it comes to my trauma though which is why I'm glad I never had children. I just cannot be as free and open a parent as I would want to be. So I do have very real limitations. But some growth too. Sort of like in the ways I am not broken I am deeper.

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
6. Thank you very much for sharing your experience.
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 11:59 PM
Apr 2012

My grandfather lived in a farming community and the people there were
very happy to appreciate the simple things in life and they were willing
to share what they had. They had a lot of common sense, too. The
people accepted me as being a relative of someone they trusted and
so I was trusted, too. I miss that feeling. I also, miss the honor of
using a handshake to seal a contract.

It seems that the way of the world is to make money scamming people.
I just got a letter from the city saying that I owed them money from
4 years ago for a false alarm program they had set up. Whe I called
to protest they said they would waive the charges. How many of the
elderly will pay without asking just because they want to be respectful
of the law? I'm just trying to give an example of the need to protect
onesself today.

Thanks again for sharing your perspective!

applegrove

(118,676 posts)
7. GOP types, business, they have all changed how they treat their customers, government, stakeholders
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:31 AM
Apr 2012

and shareholders. It is about profit before anything.

sarisataka

(18,656 posts)
8. Until I became a vet...
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 08:05 AM
Apr 2012

I knew very little of what my 6 uncles did in WW2. Once I 'saw the elephant' they opened their group to me. It is the feeling among vets that someone who has not experienced similar events will not understand; you are correct.
You will get pictures, stories about buddies, something humorous that happened... but you will not get that which is close to the bone.
My experience was several years before I met my wife; it took twelve years before she found out I was on the front lines...

When I worked hospital security, I could get more out of Nam vets in ten minutes than the psychologist could in two hours.

Why? Hard to say. Fear of judgement, fear that something in them is 'wrong', need for absolution... all these and more.

I would suggest reading On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society by Dave Grossman, http://www.amazon.com/On-Killing-Psychological-Learning-Society/dp/0316040932/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334059328&sr=8-1
it is very informative and has helped me realize I have had undiagnosed PTSD for years.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
9. Overlooked is the fact that 25% of WWII medevacs were psychiatric casualties
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 02:52 AM
Apr 2012

And on those slow boats going home, the remaining survivors had a chance to process their experience and debrief among themselves.

It was precisely because of the high number of WWII battlefield psychiatric casualties that the Pentagon implemented new policies to address the problem--the point system in the Korean War and the DEROS system in Vietnam.

They got better results in Korea, and much better results in Vietnam, and military mental health specialists were patting themselves on the back--until an explosion of POST-traumatic symptoms began manifesting in VN vets.

It turned out that the VN DEROS policy--which guaranteed that troops would go home after 12 months (13 months for Marines) left many with pronounced feelings of guilt for leaving their buddies behind when they left. And many were discharged immediately when they returned, thrust back into civilian society within 36 hours of serving in combat--which posed an incredibly huge 'readjustment' challenge.

It wasn't until post-traumatic issues in VN vets were recognized that the same issues in WWII and Korean War vets began to get even a little attention.

But to dirctly address what you posted--I'd say that any combat vet or vet who has been exposed to combat and the horrors of war comes back "with a depth of feeling for their fellow man." When I speak to HS and college classes about VN I tell them, "You didn't have to go to Vietnam to find your compassion--but it sure as hell could add a lot of depth."

At a VA conference on PTSD in Washington, D.C. I heard a psychologist say that you have to be a pretty good person to be affected (traumatized) by your war experience. Because you CARE, and those who don't care aren't affected at all.

The 'Greatest Generation' IS great for what they did. So are the generations that followed, that served, and sacrificed--and continue to sacrifice long after their service.

For more than 60 I knew and lost, including my friends who returned from war safely--and chose to end their own lives...




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