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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:36 AM Nov 2012

Bill Kristol: John Kerry hasn’t supported enough wars to be secretary of state

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/25/bill-kristol-john-kerry-hasnt-supported-enough-wars-to-be-secretary-of-state/




Bill Kristol: John Kerry hasn’t supported enough wars to be secretary of state
By David Edwards
Sunday, November 25, 2012 14:08 EST

Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol on Sunday suggested that Republican senators should confirm United States Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice if she is nominated as secretary of state because she is more likely to support going to war than Sen. John Kerry (D-MA).

The conservative columnist told Fox News host Chris Wallace that Rice had made a mistake by not being more clear that the September attacks in Benghazi were terrorism but Kerry had a history of opposing military intervention.

“I rather think (President Barack Obama) will appoint Susan Rice and I think — I’m not a huge fan of hers — but I think she’s likely to be confirmed by the Senate,” Kristol explained. “And an awful lot of people might decide, you know, given the range of alternative appointments, maybe she’s not — John Kerry, in my opinion, might be a worse secretary of state. Maybe one just goes ahead and lets him have the secretary of state he wants.”

“I think Susan Rice has been a little more interventionist than John Kerry,” he pointed out. “John Kerry was a guy who loved the Assad regime in Syria. John Kerry has been against our intervening in every war we’ve intervened in, the first Gulf War. In Iraq, he was for it before he was against it.”




[o]unhappycamper comment: Uuuuh. The Secretary of Defense is the Secretary of War, not the supposedly diplomatic Secretary of State that has all those little CIA hotspots imbedded. Is Billy confused, dazed, or just letting us know who does what?
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Bill Kristol: John Kerry hasn’t supported enough wars to be secretary of state (Original Post) unhappycamper Nov 2012 OP
oh brother xchrom Nov 2012 #1
Head exploding liberal N proud Nov 2012 #2
Bill Kristol hasn't served in enough wars to be able to talk about them. hobbit709 Nov 2012 #3
Good one! n/t Roy Rolling Nov 2012 #12
I had to make sure the source was not The Onion. It's not. He's serious. Festivito Nov 2012 #4
Always wrong The Wizard Nov 2012 #14
He at least gets his name right. Festivito Nov 2012 #18
People like him make my head want avebury Nov 2012 #5
So the litmus test for SOS is whether you support war? ReRe Nov 2012 #6
When was he elected to any job LynneSin Nov 2012 #7
1 Bronze Star, 1 Silver Star, 3 Purple Hearts, and he did not lose one man ..... Botany Nov 2012 #8
WH with willing cooperation of GOP have done a skillful job of casting Rice as a victim leveymg Nov 2012 #9
Remember when they pretended war was supposed to be a bad thing? nt valerief Nov 2012 #10
Put all the chicken-hawks on the front lines and I bet Kerry would be for war Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #11
Put this piece of shit in a flak jacket and pangaia Nov 2012 #13
Don't you see? SCVDem Nov 2012 #15
IOW: Kristol FEARS Kerry as SoS, and is trying AGAIN to "Swift-boat" him. WinkyDink Nov 2012 #16
Yo Man loyalkydem Nov 2012 #17
Has there ever been a woman appointed to the glowing Nov 2012 #19
republican revisionist. Javaman Nov 2012 #20
You know, the SOS or better known as the War Supporter rock Nov 2012 #21
smug smile hibbing Nov 2012 #22
Didn't Bill Kristol push Gidget as Vice-President? struggle4progress Nov 2012 #23
Yep, he had a big crush on Snowdrift Snooki hifiguy Nov 2012 #28
Kristol is always an ideologue, just plain looney and wrong Jack Rabbit Nov 2012 #24
I want someone who is smart enough to side step this clap trap. Someone like Feingold. midnight Nov 2012 #25
Feingold would be a good pick if the Republicans block Rice davidpdx Nov 2012 #35
I would offer that Kristol has not been right about enough things to be credible about jack shit! Vinnie From Indy Nov 2012 #26
The next time this chuckleheaded, numbnuts asshole is right hifiguy Nov 2012 #27
Really? I thought the SOS was a diplomatic type post. wisteria Nov 2012 #29
Kristol hasn't been right enough to be consider as relevant underpants Nov 2012 #30
How long did Kristol serve in the military?? 1Greensix Nov 2012 #31
Bill, take some milk of magnesia, already libodem Nov 2012 #32
His requirement for Secretary of State? "AAARGH! CRUSH! KILL! DESTROY! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" ck4829 Nov 2012 #33
He just wants to see Rice appointed davidpdx Nov 2012 #34

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
3. Bill Kristol hasn't served in enough wars to be able to talk about them.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:30 AM
Nov 2012

Another goddamn chickenhawk.
and it's Secretary of STATE, not WAR

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
4. I had to make sure the source was not The Onion. It's not. He's serious.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:40 AM
Nov 2012

And, he's usually wrong.

So, either of the choices he does not like sound good to me.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
6. So the litmus test for SOS is whether you support war?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:40 AM
Nov 2012

A little more interventionist like John Bolton, for example, or Condy Rice? I thought a SOS was supposed to be the head diplomat for our country, not the head war monger/hawk. And Kristol shouldn't even mention flip-flopping, after Romney's split personality. So, what's he supposed to be an "expert" on SOSs for FAUX News? Gawd...

Botany

(70,614 posts)
8. 1 Bronze Star, 1 Silver Star, 3 Purple Hearts, and he did not lose one man .....
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:51 AM
Nov 2012

.... doing some of the most dangerous duty in Vietnam is not enough for Chicken Hawk
Kristol?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
9. WH with willing cooperation of GOP have done a skillful job of casting Rice as a victim
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 08:59 AM
Nov 2012

The liberal Democratic base, which would otherwise be skeptical of Rice, have circled their wagons around her. As with Iraq, hawks and neocons in both parties are working toward the same things: wars with Syria and Iran.

Kristol is right, " she is more likely to support going to war than Sen. John Kerry."

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. Put this piece of shit in a flak jacket and
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:49 AM
Nov 2012

helmet and send him to Afghanistan for 1 month.
In fact, forget the flak jacket.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
15. Don't you see?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:57 AM
Nov 2012

Kristol is running interference for Rice!

Since McCain so polluted the pond, this is a misdirection to bring the McBelievers back from the edge of lies.

Susan Rice for war? That's good enough for me! Confirmed.

Even if it isn't true.

Kristol knows the Republican party needs to move on. They have America stuck in the mud. This is his way to give a push.

Or not.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
19. Has there ever been a woman appointed to the
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:23 AM
Nov 2012

head of any of these "war" branches? CIA, FBI, I know Homeland Security has a woman head, but it seems that the war guys just get switched around at the top. And they all seem to want to keep their expensive war machines going.

The last 2 SoS have been women. Diplomacy gets the back seat and less money, while the boys get their toys and make more messes. Those drone strikes may keep troops alive from an actual battlefield, but they r extremely dangerous.

rock

(13,218 posts)
21. You know, the SOS or better known as the War Supporter
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:16 PM
Nov 2012

At least Kristol doesn't have to worry about losing his (presumed) mind. (I'm sure I don't have to explain that one!)

hibbing

(10,110 posts)
22. smug smile
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:23 PM
Nov 2012

Hey,
Ugh, I can't stand this idiot. Him and his smug smile and his condescending attitude are disgusting.

Peace

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. Yep, he had a big crush on Snowdrift Snooki
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:11 PM
Nov 2012

and pimped her relentlessly to McGrump after he was told he couldn't have his BFF Moldy Joe LIEberman as his running mate.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
24. Kristol is always an ideologue, just plain looney and wrong
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:03 PM
Nov 2012

Being an "interventionist" has suddenly become a requirement for Secretary of State?

How has Kristol's kind of interventionism worked out for us? I know his answer: Iraq was a good idea, he'll say.

Thank you for your concern on this matter, Mr. Kristol. Next time we want your opinion, we'll call you and ask for it.

(I thank Raw Story for mercifully cutting the clip before Chris Wallace turned to Dizzy Lizzie.)

midnight

(26,624 posts)
25. I want someone who is smart enough to side step this clap trap. Someone like Feingold.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:36 PM
Nov 2012

"He was also the only Senator on the Foreign Relations, Intelligence, and Judiciary committees, which makes him uniquely qualified to fight the modern wars we now find ourselves involved in.

Russ Feingold has also been one of the most outspoken critics of the Patriot Act and the erosion of our individual liberties. His new book, "While America Sleeps," will fully explain his strong opposition to warrantless wiretapping, secret law, and human rights abuses committed by our government since 9/11. Obama has not been able to institute his view for America's military because, as Commander-in-Chief, he's had the responsibility of concluding the wars he inherited, but I fully expect his second term to reflect his true views on America's role in the world.

Lastly, Feingold's message that he will not be running for "elective office" leaves plenty of room for him to be appointed Secretary of State. He's already promising to play a role in getting Obama reelected, "I was especially thinking of the need to reelect President Obama. I will be working to reelect him and hope to play a significant role in that effort." The Citizens United decision didn't discourage Russ Feingold. He's not going to sit on the sidelines as a law professor for much longer. Rather than bring progressive change to the State of Wisconsin, which has proven to be able to stand up for itself, he's going to help President Obama make progressive change globally."He was also the only Senator on the Foreign Relations, Intelligence, and Judiciary committees, which makes him uniquely qualified to fight the modern wars we now find ourselves involved in.

Russ Feingold has also been one of the most outspoken critics of the Patriot Act and the erosion of our individual liberties. His new book, "While America Sleeps," will fully explain his strong opposition to warrantless wiretapping, secret law, and human rights abuses committed by our government since 9/11. Obama has not been able to institute his view for America's military because, as Commander-in-Chief, he's had the responsibility of concluding the wars he inherited, but I fully expect his second term to reflect his true views on America's role in the world.

Lastly, Feingold's message that he will not be running for "elective office" leaves plenty of room for him to be appointed Secretary of State. He's already promising to play a role in getting Obama reelected, "I was especially thinking of the need to reelect President Obama. I will be working to reelect him and hope to play a significant role in that effort." The Citizens United decision didn't discourage Russ Feingold. He's not going to sit on the sidelines as a law professor for much longer. Rather than bring progressive change to the State of Wisconsin, which has proven to be able to stand up for itself, he's going to help President Obama make progressive change globally.


Did I mention he voted against the Patriot Act?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
35. Feingold would be a good pick if the Republicans block Rice
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:14 AM
Nov 2012

Which it looks like they may try to do.

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
26. I would offer that Kristol has not been right about enough things to be credible about jack shit!
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:47 PM
Nov 2012

Seriously, Kristol is a walking fail at pretty much every issue he pontificates on. His predictions are universally incorrect, his assessments are never right and his hunches never, ever pan out. Why is anyone listening to this man?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
27. The next time this chuckleheaded, numbnuts asshole is right
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 04:09 PM
Nov 2012

about anything it will be the first. How do cretins like this wind up being taken seriously? This asshat couldn't organize a two-car funeral on a one-way street if you spotted him the fking hearse.

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
29. Really? I thought the SOS was a diplomatic type post.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:21 PM
Nov 2012

The SOD is the "war" post. Obviously, he doesn't have a clue, but may think Rice is cuter than Senator Kerry.

1Greensix

(111 posts)
31. How long did Kristol serve in the military??
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:26 PM
Nov 2012

Kristol is just ANOTHER Republican chickenhawk, coward talking through his ass. The United States Navy awarded Kerry with a couple of Silver Stars for Heroism in Vietnam (another Conservative Waste of Money, and poor kids lives) while Kristol is another in a long line of gutless Republicans that were too frightened to serve in the military, or too rich to be concerned about the nation's defense. Ooops. Forgot Bush, the Military Deserter. Joined the Texas Air Guard until an upcoming piss test was going to reveal he was a major coke user. Who cares what Kristol says. He's a coward.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
32. Bill, take some milk of magnesia, already
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:45 AM
Nov 2012

Would ya? Freaking schzlorknozzel florkwad shitsister splork stain. I hate that guy.

ck4829

(35,094 posts)
33. His requirement for Secretary of State? "AAARGH! CRUSH! KILL! DESTROY! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:58 AM
Nov 2012

He should just cut out the middleman and say that he wants a secretary of state to say that.

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