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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:57 AM Sep 2013

Obama’s and Kerry’s Big Lie: White House Document “Proving” Syria’s Guilt Doesn’t Pass Smell Test

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-lindorff/51414/obama-s-and-kerry-s-big-lie-white-house-document-proving-syria-s-guilt-doesn-t-pass-smell-test

Obama’s and Kerry’s Big Lie: White House Document “Proving” Syria’s Guilt Doesn’t Pass Smell Test
by Dave Lindorff | September 3, 2013 - 8:30am

The document released on the White House web site to “prove” to the American people that the Syrian government had used poison gas -- allegedly the neurotoxin Sarin -- to kill hundreds of civilians, is so flawed and lacking in real proof that if it were being used to make a case against a terrorist group it would be too weak to justify an indictment.

~snip~

Remember, we’re talking about a debate over whether to have the US launch a war of aggression against a sovereign nation that poses absolutely no risk either to the US or even to its allies directly abutting Syria. The reality is that this is about launching a war against a country wracked by civil war, not a country that is threatening its neighbors, or US interests and citizens. And make no mistake, a major US bombing campaign against Syria will not be clean and precise. Hundreds, and perhaps thousands, of innocent Syrian men, women and children will be killed, whether by errant bombs and rockets, or by accurate ones that hit targets located near residences.

The first section of the report is devoted to trying to make the case that poison gas, and specifically Sarin, was used in a suburb of Damascus. No actual evidence is presented, though certainly there is evidence available -- specifically the reports of physicians working in Syria with Doctors Without Borders. Why those doctors are not identified is never explained, but perhaps it is because to do so would make the lack of identifiable sources for the rest of the argument all the more blatant. In any event, it is probable that Sarin was used and that a considerable number of people were killed or injured by the chemical, but that is no casus belli, since it is not at all clear who is responsible for the release of the deadly chemical--the Syrian government, the rebels, or, as retired Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Bush Secretary of State Colin Powell has suggested, Israel.

Moving along, the White House document becomes even more opaque and useless...
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Obama’s and Kerry’s Big Lie: White House Document “Proving” Syria’s Guilt Doesn’t Pass Smell Test (Original Post) unhappycamper Sep 2013 OP
I guess Im confused qazplm Sep 2013 #1
Me too. unhappycamper Sep 2013 #3
Obama’s and Kerry’s Big Lie: White House Document “Proving” Syria’s Guilt Doesn’t Pass Smell Test ehcross Sep 2013 #2

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
1. I guess Im confused
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 08:11 AM
Sep 2013

the title is about the big lie, the first para of the snip makes the argument that there is no proof, the third para of the snip says, eh it's probable it was used but not a cause to go to war.

So which is it?

unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
3. Me too.
Fri Sep 6, 2013, 07:23 AM
Sep 2013

When there is not a cogent plan that addresses ALL aspects of bombing, arming militants and extricating ourselves, perhaps we should rethink bombing them.

 

ehcross

(166 posts)
2. Obama’s and Kerry’s Big Lie: White House Document “Proving” Syria’s Guilt Doesn’t Pass Smell Test
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:19 PM
Sep 2013

Why is it that we have not been shown any photographic material of actual Syrian soldiers firing their guns with real ammo? What about videos of people with the symptoms of contagion?
Or any other evidence of a site where people were killed by intoxication?

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