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Related: About this forumWashington County sheriff: Maine’s concealed carry law ‘scares me to death’
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/12/27/news/hancock/washington-county-sheriff-maines-concealed-carry-law-scares-me-to-death/ELLSWORTH, Maine A Winter Harbor doctors inadvertently leaving a loaded gun in the bathroom of Ellsworths L.L. Bean Outlet was a blip on the radar of more than 40 years of military and medical service, said the doctors son.
But Washington County Sheriff Donnie Smith said Thursday that incidents such as these are a cause for concern amid increasing requests for concealed carry permits in Maine.
Weve got thousands of people now with concealed carry permits, Smith said. You know, you carry a gun, youre probably gonna have to take it out of its holster, and this could very easily happen.
Dr. Benjamin Newman, 72, operates a private practice in Winter Harbor and was contracted by Washington County in June to treat inmates at the jail. He was charged with reckless conduct, a misdemeanor, in Ellsworth on Wednesday after allegedly leaving a loaded Walther 9 mm semiautomatic police pistol in the bathroom of the L.L. Bean Outlet in Ellsworth.
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GOP/NRA/ALEC CCW bullshit sucks
yup
samsingh
(17,599 posts)jody
(26,624 posts)810,000+ LEO turn in their handguns.
jpak
(41,758 posts)allow andy idiot to carry.
yup
Clames
(2,038 posts)...bystanders in NYC? Massive logic fail.
Yup.
jpak
(41,758 posts)Gun nuttery fail.
yup
Clames
(2,038 posts)...not using his weapon out of concern he would hit an innocent bystander. He should be training NYC police.
Logic fail.
Yup...
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
yup
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)in Travis County. A responsible citizen returned it to an LEO colleague. Don't know if I would want to handle that gun.
drhobo
(74 posts)Can't find it now but I saw an example out of Florida that as a whole CC permit holders commit crime at a lower rate than members of law enforcement
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...when tens of millions of CCW holders nationwide don't commit irresponsible acts with their weapons every day. I think what scares me here is that that county has a sheriff with the critical thinking skills of a cabbage.
jpak
(41,758 posts)LEOs have their lives on the line every day.
They are not "cabbge heads"
The gun nuts?
not so much....
yup
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That the numbers of incidents of CCW holders screwing up in some way or another are in fact increasing, that is. If so, do they indicate that these incidents are anything other that complete statistical anomalies (and thus to be frightened of them is borderline irrational)?
jpak
(41,758 posts)In 1996 at a Dallas, Texas, press conference, Tanya Metaksa, then the executive director of the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action, promised, "As we get more information about right-to-carry, our point is made again and again...People who get permits in states which have fair right-to-carry laws are law-abiding, upstanding community leaders who merely seek to exercise their right to self-defense." This assertion, summarized by Metaksa in the blunt and absolute assertion that "these citizens don't commit violent crimes," was a key factor when state legislatures debated weakening concealed weapons laws to allow private citizens to carry concealed handguns in public. Had the NRA informed policymakers that concealed handgun permit holders would routinely be killing law enforcement personnel and perpetrating, rather than preventing, mass murders and other gun homicides few legislators--applying Metaksa's own standard--would have voted in favor of such laws.
These unfounded assertions are repeated to this day. In a September 28, 2010, opinion piece on Foxnews.com, concealed carry advocate John Lott asserted, "Fears about accidents and rampages by permit holders, and blood running in the streets however never materialized where concealed carry has been allowed."
Such false claims are endlessly repeated by pro-gun advocates in their ongoing efforts to expand the carrying of concealed handguns into bars, churches, schools, and places of employment. In addition, the gun lobby has been successful at hiding the truth about crimes committed by concealed handgun permit holders by forcing most states to keep secret the identities of permit holders. As a result, until recently, the false claims made by pro-gun advocates regarding these "upstanding community leaders" have been left unchallenged.
In 2009, the Violence Policy Center began an ongoing research project to identify killings from May 2007 to the present involving citizens legally allowed to carry concealed handguns. Because detailed information on such killings is not readily available, the VPC is forced to rely primarily on news accounts for reports of such killings and subsequent legal proceedings.
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gun nuttery fail
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)To begin with, that site's numbers do not support your assertion that these incidents are increasing. They don't refute it either: they're flat totals for the time period over which they were gathered.
The numbers do, however, substantiate my assertion, namely that concealed carriers commit an extremely small number of crimes in relation to their vast numbers. Mathematics: perhaps you've heard of them.
Also: "Because detailed information on such killings is not readily available, the VPC is forced to rely primarily on news accounts for reports of such killings and subsequent legal proceedings." And as we just saw with the Sandy Point atrocity, news reports about these sorts of incident are extremely reliable. Oh, wait...
anti-gun crackpot fail
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ileus
(15,396 posts)you're at the range
you're at home
you're under attack
There's no excuse for having your PSD out of it's holster in public.
jpak
(41,758 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)...some gun control advocates have a fixation with the penis?
Kennah
(14,276 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Sheriffs aren't supposed to be cowards.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Free gun anyone? ROFL