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Keeping it real (Original Post) Dog Gone at Penigma Dec 2012 OP
shall I list all of the things wrong with the video gejohnston Dec 2012 #1
To expand on that post Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #5
Interesting title you chose for your post ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #2
Here is a real handgun instructor video safeinOhio Dec 2012 #4
There are ways to become famous. jeepnstein Dec 2012 #8
Reality TV at it's finest. ileus Dec 2012 #3
It would be interesting to put a LEO in that same scenario. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #6
This video has been critically reviewed before. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #7

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
1. shall I list all of the things wrong with the video
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:05 AM
Dec 2012

other than it was contrived? Seriously, who wears gloves in a classroom?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dateline_NBC#General_Motors_vs._NBC
Even if it were accurate, isn't slim chance better than no chance? Reality isn't controlled study. Let's make it realistic. In this, the "bad guy" know someone was carrying. Instead of a cop instructor with as the "bad guy" how about one of the students that knew little or nothing, usually the case, and the one playing the CCW fit the demographic of CCW types. Close to middle age who tend to be target shooters.
Seriously, the infotainment industry doesn't keep it real. If it doesn't fit the narrative, they will make it fit.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
5. To expand on that post
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:41 AM
Dec 2012

The students had almost no training. They were up against a trained police officer (maybe swat, its been a while since I saw the video). The student with the gun sat in the exact same seat each time they ran the test (dead center, first row, perhaps the worst place to be). So basically, you have a trained officer, who know exactly who had the gun, and who to take out first, I would say that is setting you up to loose. If they didn't have an agenda when making that video, they should have got average people that actually carry, randomize the seat they were in, not put them up against a SWAT officer, etc.

 

holdencaufield

(2,927 posts)
2. Interesting title you chose for your post ...
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:00 AM
Dec 2012

... when you consider the video contrives to set up a totally false situational reality.

I guess you were being ironic?

ileus

(15,396 posts)
3. Reality TV at it's finest.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:20 AM
Dec 2012

We went to a play of the Canterbury Tales (two stories) last evening. I carried my LCP my wife carried her 642, life is good...

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
6. It would be interesting to put a LEO in that same scenario.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:54 AM
Dec 2012

The assumption is that the police would do better.

Ambush journalism.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
7. This video has been critically reviewed before.
Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:55 AM
Dec 2012

One of the biggest problems I have with the scenario is that the "concealed carry" student is always seated in the same place in the classroom, and the "shooter" clearly knows who the "concealed carry" student is, as they gun him/her down straight away each time.

In a real scenario, the shooter will not know who or where the CCW student is.

But here is something else: It may be that when a shooter barges into the first classroom, everyone is just fucked.

Face it, all the students are going to be pencil in hand doing school work. The instructor is going to be instructing. Everyone will be caught unawares. In the first classroom, there may be no chance of resistance..

But what about the classroom across the hall? What about the classroom next door? These people might easily have a chance to resist. Instead of trying to barricade the door and get shot through it people could take up defensive positions to actually cover the door.

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