Gun Control Measures

[fightthegoodfightnow]

Found on GD board.....posted by HugaBear....thoughts?

You want some common-sense gun control? Here you go.

1. All firearms must be purchased from a federally licensed dealer. No private sales. If you want to sell your privately owned gun, you must do so through a federally licensed dealer. All firearms must be registered, no exceptions. This would be retroactive, with a grace period for all guns currently in someone's possession. Part of the registration process will entail a ballistics test,which would then go into a national database.

2. More in-depth background checks and require a gun license. Currently, as long as you've never been institutionalized or deemed mentally unfit by a judge, you're considered mentally fit to own a gun. IMHO, part of the process for obtaining a firearm should require a note from a doctor or psychiatrist confirming that the applicant would not pose a danger by themselves or others. You would have to renew your license on a regular basis. If you become deemed unfit to own a gun, then your license would be revoked or unable to renew. If you commit any violent crime at all - assault, domestic violence, etc - you automatically become ineligible to own firearms.

3. Closely monitor all gun and ammo sales. We already closely monitor purchases of things like fertilizer and Sudafed. Firearms and ammo should be no different.

4. Taxation of all gun and ammo sales, with the taxes going to fund mental health treatment.

5. Banning large-capacity magazines. There is absolutely no need for anyone to have a 30-round magazine.

These are just a few gun-control ideas that would not infringe on anyone's "right" to own guns.

Original Post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022013722

[slackmaster]

1. I think anyone whose avatar depicts someone who used guns to murder numerous people...

...has no business claiming to have a grip on common sense when it comes to gun laws.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

2. Easy Way Out

Put some meat on the post...not the person.

[Clames]

3. Not much there really.

1. Not a chance: universal registration is an obvious non-starter as is making anything "retroactive". The sheer cost of the rest will bury the rest of it.

2. Not a chance: mandating psychiatric screening will never pass Constitutional muster. HIPAA will take care of the rest.

3. Not a chance: Closely monitor fertilizer? Where? Buy bags of it from Lowes and Home Depot all the time. Sudafed, I just show a copy of my ID, just like buying beer.

4. Incredibly small chance: Taxes attached to a Constitutional right won't make it past the courts.

5. Slight chance: Meaningless because of the millions that already exist.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

4. got It

Put you in the Status Quo column.

[Clames]

12. Balck and white thinking.

You've got it down...

[oneshooter]

5. I will give it a try.

#1 You can open the NCIS check to private sales. This has to be done by the Feds with the cooperation of the states.

"All firearms must be registered" Many firearms built before GCA68 was law. They do not have a serial number. There are several million of these firearms.
How would you prevent these lists from being used for confiscation, either state or Federal?
Ballistics "fingerprints" have been dropped by all that have tried them as being too expensive with little/no effect. These "fingerprints" will change as the barrel is shot and cleaned.

#2 "require a note from a doctor or psychiatrist confirming that the applicant would not pose a danger by themselves or others."
Good luck finding either one who would put their professional life on the line by signing one of these.

"You would have to renew your license on a regular basis." What fee would be entailed with this "license"? Who collects it and issues it? Will it override state law?

#3 "Closely monitor all gun and ammo sales." The Feds tried this many years ago. Requiring a form be filled out for every ammo purchase.
Again it was a lot of paperwork for no real usable information provided, and was dropped.

#5 Would this be a ban on possession? If so would you remove them from the Military and Police? And if they are banned from possession how would you pay for them?

#4 What level of taxation? Would you tax these items out of the reach of all but the 1%?

Some of these ideas have been tried before and failed, costing millions of dollars in the process.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

7. Appreciate the Response

disagree of course....

[oneshooter]

11. Alright, let me know what you disagree with?

[gejohnston]

6. my thoughts

You want some common-sense gun control? Here you go.

1. All firearms must be purchased from a federally licensed dealer. No private sales. If you want to sell your privately owned gun, you must do so through a federally licensed dealer. All firearms must be registered, no exceptions. This would be retroactive, with a grace period for all guns currently in someone's possession. Part of the registration process will entail a ballistics test,which would then go into a national database.

The ballistics test and registration would be expensive and has never been useful for anything. I'm OK with the other stuff.

2. More in-depth background checks and require a gun license. Currently, as long as you've never been institutionalized or deemed mentally unfit by a judge, you're considered mentally fit to own a gun. IMHO, part of the process for obtaining a firearm should require a note from a doctor or psychiatrist confirming that the applicant would not pose a danger by themselves or others. You would have to renew your license on a regular basis. If you become deemed unfit to own a gun, then your license would be revoked or unable to renew. If you commit any violent crime at all - assault, domestic violence, etc - you automatically become ineligible to own firearms.

I'm OK with current federal law in this area. Being convicted of domestic violence is already a disqualifier, I would support any violent misdemeanor as well as violent juvi records esp cruelty to animals.

3. Closely monitor all gun and ammo sales. We already closely monitor purchases of things like fertilizer and Sudafed. Firearms and ammo should be no different.

Firearms are, ammo was from 1968-1986. I have no problem returning to that. Won't actually do anything, but if it makes you feel good. Buying online is easier to track since you have CC# and shipping address. Your way is printing my name in a loose leaf notebook and paying cash.

4. Taxation of all gun and ammo sales, with the taxes going to fund mental health treatment.

there has been an 11 percent tax since 1919. In 1937 the funds were moved from general fund to pay for environmental projects. I would keep the PR funding in place and add an extra four percent for mental health. To tax it so only rich people can own them is, ummm un Democratic and certainly not my definition of liberal.

5. Banning large-capacity magazines. There is absolutely no need for anyone to have a 30-round magazine.

I agree with the founder of Ruger Firearms, Bill Ruger, when it comes to rifle magazine capacity. For pistols, I would have no magazine that would extend past the heal of the grip. For pistols where the magazine well is outside of the grip (usually specialized Olympic/ISSF target pistols or antiques like the Mauser C-96) I would allow whatever is the Olympic/ISSF standard or what was normal for the C-96 in that era. Instead of banning larger mags, I would make them Title 2 as an AOW.

May I add a few reforms of my own?
6-make rifles that use the .50 BMG rounds Title 2. Not that they are used in crimes, but if you can afford the gun and the ammo, a tax stamp is chump change, and it makes a bargaining chip for 7.

7-reform short barreled rifle rules. There is no reason for a single shot with a 15 1/2 inch barrel to be as tightly regulated as a machine gun.

Next?
forgot to add links in case you don't know
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_B._Ruger#Controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittman%E2%80%93Robertson_Federal_Aid_in_Wildlife_Restoration_Act

[fightthegoodfightnow]

8. Thanks

Appreciate response.

Disagree of course.

[gejohnston]

9. disagree with what exactly?

I see some common ground.
If you want ideas on how to keep them out of the wrong hands..........
you have to know current law and when and why ideas were dumped in the past.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

10. He's new at this right?

It shows.

[Atypical Liberal]

13. My thoughts.

1. All firearms must be purchased from a federally licensed dealer. No private sales. If you want to sell your privately owned gun, you must do so through a federally licensed dealer. All firearms must be registered, no exceptions. This would be retroactive, with a grace period for all guns currently in someone's possession. Part of the registration process will entail a ballistics test,which would then go into a national database.

2. More in-depth background checks and require a gun license. Currently, as long as you've never been institutionalized or deemed mentally unfit by a judge, you're considered mentally fit to own a gun. IMHO, part of the process for obtaining a firearm should require a note from a doctor or psychiatrist confirming that the applicant would not pose a danger by themselves or others. You would have to renew your license on a regular basis. If you become deemed unfit to own a gun, then your license would be revoked or unable to renew. If you commit any violent crime at all - assault, domestic violence, etc - you automatically become ineligible to own firearms.

If you have a license, you've had a background check, thus no reason to go to an FFL and pay a transfer fee. If you sell to a private individual, you do like they do in Illinois and record the FOID for 10 years. Or we could even have private citizens simply use the Internet to confirm a valid FOID and record the transaction.

3. Closely monitor all gun and ammo sales. We already closely monitor purchases of things like fertilizer and Sudafed. Firearms and ammo should be no different.

4. Taxation of all gun and ammo sales, with the taxes going to fund mental health treatment.

Sure.

5. Banning large-capacity magazines. There is absolutely no need for anyone to have a 30-round magazine.

Sure. Or just add all semi-automatic firearms with detachable magazines to the NFA list.