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GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:15 AM Nov 2012

Chicago pays NRA $150,000.00

Check may be viewed here: http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Gowder-Check3.pdf

Story here: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/11/illinois-federal-court-upholds-right-to-keep-and-bear-arms-and-awards-the-nra-$125,000-in-attorney’s-fees.aspx

On September 26, 2012 the United States District Court in the Northern District of Illinois awarded the National Rifle Association (NRA) $125,000 to reimburse it for attorney’s fees spent winning a lawsuit against the City of Chicago over a Chicago firearm ordinance on behalf of NRA member Shawn Gowder. In striking down the law, the Court held that the ordinance is unconstitutionally void for vagueness and also violates the plaintiff’s Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. A copy of the court filings in this case and the $125,000 check from the City of Chicago can be viewed here.

The NRA’s motion for attorney’s fees in the case of Gowder v. Chicago was granted following a successful NRA motion for summary judgment. The Gowder case challenged the constitutionality of a Chicago ordinance that banned people with certain non-violent misdemeanor convictions from possessing firearms in their homes for self-defense. Mr. Gowder had a misdemeanor conviction for "unlawful use of a weapon" (simply having a handgun on his person outside his own home). When Mr. Gowder wanted to possess a firearm in his home and sought a firearm permit (as is required by the Chicago ordinance), his application was denied. Even though his misdemeanor record did not prevent Mr. Gowder from obtaining a Firearm Owner’s Identification card, Mr. Gowder could not obtain the firearms permit necessary to possess a firearm in his own home because the law prohibited permits from being issued to anyone convicted of "an unlawful use of a weapon that is a firearm," even if it was just a misdemeanor conviction.

In its June ruling on the summary judgment motion, the Court held that the "Chicago Firearm Ordinance does not provide a person of ordinary intelligence a reasonable opportunity to know what is prohibited, in that it does not define the term ‘unlawful use of a weapon.’ It appears that the City of Chicago merely borrowed from an Illinois criminal statute the term ‘unlawful use of a weapon,’ which sounds extremely serious on its face, but in reality can include simple unlawful possession."

Although the Court was not required to consider whether the ordinance violated the Second Amendment (because it already determined that the ordinance was unconstitutionally vague), the Court nonetheless considered the U.S. Supreme Court decisions of District of Columbia v. Heller (which declared that a ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment) and McDonald v. Chicago (which declared that the Second Amendment is fully applicable to the States), and held that the Chicago ordinance violated the Second Amendment as well.

According to the Court, the firearm ordinance did "not differentiate between those who have been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanor, or between those who have been convicted of a violent or non-violent crime, and thus the denial of a [firearm permit] does not find valid foothold in statutory history." The effect of the ordinance "is to forever strip certain persons residing in Chicago of their constitutional right to protect themselves in their own homes, including, for example, a person convicted forty years ago of simply possessing a firearm (and not unlawfully using it against another)."

After evaluating the ordinance under a text, history, and tradition analysis, as well as a under the more conventional tests of strict scrutiny and intermediate scrutiny, the Court held that the ordinance was unconstitutional under any legal standard of review.


Chicago got spanked again over guns.

Another win for gun owner's rights. And a Happy Thanksgiving for the NRA's lawyers.

That kind of ruins Mikey's dream of a "one gun strike, no matter how small, and you are out".
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Chicago pays NRA $150,000.00 (Original Post) GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 OP
More money to boost rw republican candidates! Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #1
Maybe if Chicago would glacierbay Nov 2012 #3
I agree. I hope they get slapped with a few more lawsuits, maybe it will get them to follow the law Travis_0004 Nov 2012 #4
Mr. Stupidity, are you implicitly claiming that the Federal judge in this case is a right-winger? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #9
no i am explicitly claiming that the nra is a rightwing political front for the republican party. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #15
I can't disagee with that. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #22
So it would behoove cities like Chigaco to be more circumspect hack89 Nov 2012 #23
You would think. Key term: "Summary judgement." Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #24
Yeah, you'd think Dem political leaders would be smarter, huh? DonP Nov 2012 #10
Due to authoritarian nonsense 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #19
Good ruling glacierbay Nov 2012 #2
Another win for the 99%er's over the 1%er's... ileus Nov 2012 #5
Phht! Hardly a spanking! JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2012 #6
Laying off 2 - 3 more teachers, or a civil fine... -..__... Nov 2012 #21
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein jody Nov 2012 #7
Einstein: no authority on insanity, also never said that, not any actual definition of insanity. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #14
Regardless of the author, the statement applies. nt jody Nov 2012 #16
So...do you support repeating the same failed policies over and over again 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #20
To link to the story, you need to copy and paste the entire line below in your browser: AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #8
Right- Because the NRA Has Done Soooooo Very Much for the Democratic Party fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #11
What lives did it save? glacierbay Nov 2012 #12
Not Sure fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #18
Stripping people of their rights is not only morally wrong 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #13
Too bad it weren't SAF getting the check Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #17
Another plus... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #25
 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
3. Maybe if Chicago would
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:30 AM
Nov 2012

stop being so stupid and follow the Constitution, they wouldn't be paying out money to the NRA. Put the blame where it lies, at the feet of the Chicago politicians w/Rahm at the head of the table.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
4. I agree. I hope they get slapped with a few more lawsuits, maybe it will get them to follow the law
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:43 AM
Nov 2012
 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
9. Mr. Stupidity, are you implicitly claiming that the Federal judge in this case is a right-winger?
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:37 PM
Nov 2012

Then maybe you are unfamiliar with his background, his reputation for fairness and following the law, and his appoval by both Democrats and Republicans.

Samuel Der-Yeghiayan (born February 16, 1952) is a United States federal judge for the Northern District of Illinois. Confirmed in 2003, he is noteworthy for being the first Armenian immigrant federal judge in the United States.

Der-Yeghiayan was born in Aleppo, Syria to Armenian parents and raised in Beirut, Lebanon. He received his B.A. in political science from Evangel University in Springfield, Missouri in 1975, and his J.D. from the Franklin Pierce Law Center in Concord, New Hampshire in 1978. He began his legal career as an Honor Law Graduate under the United States Attorney General's Honors Program. He served in various capacities with the Justice Department's Chicago District of Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), with jurisdiction over the states of Illinois, Indiana, and Wisconsin, including as a trial attorney from 1978 to 1982, district counsel from 1982 to 2000, and acting district director from 1986 to 1987.

For twenty consecutive years from 1981 to 2000, Der-Yeghiayan received Outstanding Performance Ratings as a U.S. Justice Department Attorney from different Attorneys General of the United States. In 1986, he received the Frank J. McGarr Award of the Federal Bar Association as the Outstanding Federal Government Attorney in Chicago. In 1998, he received the District Counsel of the Year Award from the Commissioner of the INS and Attorney General Janet Reno.

In 2000, Der-Yeghiayan was appointed, under the Clinton administration, an immigration judge in the Department of Justice Executive Office for Immigration Review. He was nominated by President George W. Bush on March 5, 2003, for the district court seat vacated by Marvin E. Aspen, and was unanimously confirmed by the Senate on July 14, 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Der-Yeghiayan

hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. So it would behoove cities like Chigaco to be more circumspect
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:26 AM
Nov 2012

with their gun laws so they stop funneling tax payer money to the NRA through unconstitutional laws and other general gun control stupidity. One day they will get the message.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
10. Yeah, you'd think Dem political leaders would be smarter, huh?
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nov 2012

After getting their ass kicked in court twice and already forking over $400,000 in fines and fees last year, they might figure out that a SCOTUS ruling means what it says. The Appellate court told the city attorneys to "stop trying to be too cute by half" in their ruling.

But Chicago and DC insist on giving money to the GOP leaning NRA.

I guess they keep getting encouragement to fight the NRA from assholes that don't pay Chicago property taxes.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
2. Good ruling
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:27 AM
Nov 2012

When is Chigaco going to get it's shit together and start following the Constitution? Everytime the city has enacted these draconian gun laws, they get spanked in court and then have to pay out money that could be better used to help fight crime.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,354 posts)
6. Phht! Hardly a spanking!
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:47 AM
Nov 2012

150 grand? That's not even the kickback from one lousy construction contract. They'll make that up without breaking a sweat.

Chicago pols will laugh this one off.

 

-..__...

(7,776 posts)
21. Laying off 2 - 3 more teachers, or a civil fine...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 09:39 PM
Nov 2012

imposed on any one of their more prestigious, corrupt Councillors/politicians will cover the cost.

Money wise... the city isn't any worse off than it already is... it's the boot-fucking/slap-in-the-face/wake-up-call/win-loss column that's gratifying = priceless.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
11. Right- Because the NRA Has Done Soooooo Very Much for the Democratic Party
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:43 PM
Nov 2012

It is worth EVERY penny if it saved one life.

 

glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
12. What lives did it save?
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:46 PM
Nov 2012

It's not the law abiding thats doing the shooting, it's the gangs shooting each other over the drug trade and turf with civilians caught in the middle.
Criminals will always be able to acquire guns, the only people affected by gun control laws are the law abiding.

Happy Thanksgiving and hope your family is well.

fightthegoodfightnow

(7,042 posts)
18. Not Sure
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:42 PM
Nov 2012

....but I have to believe even if you disagree that someone's life was.

I also disagree that the only people affected by gun control are law abiding. Criminals do get caught in the net. In addition, law abiding people, in my opinion, benefit as much as some are inconvenienced.

Best wishes to you and your family this and every Thanksgiving as well.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
13. Stripping people of their rights is not only morally wrong
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:59 PM
Nov 2012

and pointless, its also expensive.

Maybe we can just let people be free for a change.

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
17. Too bad it weren't SAF getting the check
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:31 PM
Nov 2012

NRA is too full of crap, in my opinion. If it's not about guns, SAF has zero to say about it. Only reason NRA is getting involved in lawsuits in the first place is 'cause they kept getting embarrassed by SAF's ability to actually accomplish their goals, while NRA prefers to scream and point at the restrictive states, telling their members "THIS WILL BE YOU, IF YOU DON'T GIVE US MONEY!"

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