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mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:26 AM Nov 2012

Maine Hunter Shoots his Foot Off

Local news reports

A hunter is recovering after accidentally shooting himself in the foot.

According to the Maine Warden Service 37-year-old Andrew Knight, of Rome, was returning from the woods Saturday when he rested his 12-gauge shotgun on his left foot.

Knight told officials the gun then discharged, firing a shot into his foot.

Gun-rights folks always accuse us of fearing inanimate objects, but when it suits their purposes, they say things like "the gun discharged." The truth is we don't fear inanimate objects, but they love to blame them instead of the man.

Guns don't discharge by themselves. So this irresponsible and reckless guy made at least two mistakes. That's always the case. Whenever someone is hurt in a so-called gun accident, at least two of the 4 Rules of Gun Safety have been violated.

The reason One Strike You're Out must apply to cases like this is in all probability, this was not his very first act of negligence, he's 37-years-old, he's been doing stuff like this his whole life. Placing the muzzle of a loaded weapon on your foot is an unacceptable breach of safety. Unless a guy like this is disarmed, this will probably not be his last.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000
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Maine Hunter Shoots his Foot Off (Original Post) mikeb302000 Nov 2012 OP
"Gun-rights folks always accuse us of fearing inanimate objects," Your straw-man approach is AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #1
don't know about being disarmed.. oldhippydude Nov 2012 #2
LOL. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #12
A one-strike system where the punishment is denial of a civil liberty, and the thing earning the petronius Nov 2012 #3
Personal responsibility is lacking in your world view. nt mikeb302000 Nov 2012 #49
It's not about personal responsibility, it's about law and the justice system petronius Nov 2012 #52
You're right, people who are proven to be menaces to themselves Warpy Nov 2012 #4
More lies. Straw Man Nov 2012 #5
He must be a Republican. They're so good at shooting themselves in the foot. nt Speck Tater Nov 2012 #6
Funny discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #7
Food for thought discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #8
He still has a leg to stand on. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #14
I hate it when it does that. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #16
He was probably hopping mad though. nt Remmah2 Nov 2012 #17
Probably because his insurance company is making him foot the bill. Glassunion Nov 2012 #19
Half off his next pair of hunting boots. nt Remmah2 Nov 2012 #20
The shoe is definitely on the other foot in this case. Glassunion Nov 2012 #27
This whole thread is going in circles. nt Remmah2 Nov 2012 #29
We'll get back on our feet again. Glassunion Nov 2012 #32
I'll bet he was stumped by his stupidity. nt Remmah2 Nov 2012 #35
Not to mention now he literally has one foot in the grave. Glassunion Nov 2012 #39
Last man standing wins.... n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #47
There's sure to be... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #22
I wouldn't touch his policy with a ten-foot pole Glassunion Nov 2012 #23
:) discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #21
Would you apply the same one strike standard to driver's licenses? hack89 Nov 2012 #9
This is the Gun Control and RKBA thread. mikeb302000 Nov 2012 #50
it is about being constant gejohnston Nov 2012 #51
So you support dual standards - got it. nt hack89 Nov 2012 #54
so, the guy had bad gun control, right? that is how this thread meets the SoP. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #55
In the case of stunts like driving around boom gates. YES! TheMadMonk Nov 2012 #53
Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools slackmaster Nov 2012 #10
LOL, no, that's bullshit (again), Mike. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #11
Ol' Mike 302. Looking for new ways to disarm you. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #13
No, the shotgun didn't rest itself on the guy's foot JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2012 #18
"So many dumb moves that I wonder if alcohol might have been involved." 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #31
At least he doesen't shoot his mouth off. nt Remmah2 Nov 2012 #15
Does he have a habit of putting his foot in his mouth? Glassunion Nov 2012 #33
Not any more, if he's standing.... n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #44
Hunted since 1978....yet to lose a body part. ileus Nov 2012 #24
Same here glacierbay Nov 2012 #25
No body parts but I did accidently shoot a hay wagon. Could not see the .... yourout Nov 2012 #26
karma, once again DrDan Nov 2012 #28
Karma as in being a gun owner is bad? ileus Nov 2012 #41
If it's any reassurance you can sleep safely knowing he will at most do this one more time. 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #30
Basic error -- SDjack Nov 2012 #34
I remember a story last year where a Labrador Retreiver shot his master, shit happens. doc03 Nov 2012 #36
Does the one strike law apply to the Lab? Remmah2 Nov 2012 #37
I wouldn't sell the Lab any guns. But there are probably some gun doc03 Nov 2012 #42
I dunno, sounds like a shaggy dog story to me... n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #46
One thing is for sure. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #38
He was going to, but he got cold feet... er foot. Glassunion Nov 2012 #40
How Does This Thread meet the SoP for this group -- Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #43
Spam? BS? ileus Nov 2012 #45
Maybe no one thinks the OP is worth discussing. Remmah2 Nov 2012 #48
 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
1. "Gun-rights folks always accuse us of fearing inanimate objects," Your straw-man approach is
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:36 AM
Nov 2012
getting old.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
3. A one-strike system where the punishment is denial of a civil liberty, and the thing earning the
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:46 AM
Nov 2012

strike isn't even a crime? But it's OK, because he must have done other bad stuff in the past? Absolutely unacceptable, no matter the topic...

petronius

(26,602 posts)
52. It's not about personal responsibility, it's about law and the justice system
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:18 AM
Nov 2012

I maintain that any system in which a right or liberty is denied, based on a one-strike (or three-strike or zero tolerance) system, where the strikes aren't crimes or even deliberate actions necessarily, is unacceptable. But I'm curious: do you support that sort of draconian legal standard in general, or is this just a but-guns-are-different! sort of thing for you?

As for me, I'm pretty much against mandatory one-strike, three-strike, zero-tolerance notions in general: they seem to create more inequity and injustice than any problems they solve...

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
4. You're right, people who are proven to be menaces to themselves
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:48 AM
Nov 2012

and others shouldn't be allowed to own firearms. The danger is just too great, it's too easy to do real damage with one, unlike weapons requiring closer contact.

It's why I don't own them. My eyesight isn't the best and I'd be a real menace with a gun.

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)
5. More lies.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:55 AM
Nov 2012
Gun-rights folks always accuse us of fearing inanimate objects, but when it suits their purposes, they say things like "the gun discharged."

Read any gun forums lately? The mantra is "There are no accidental discharges; only negligent ones."

So you're lying again. Surprise, surprise.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
8. Food for thought
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:17 AM
Nov 2012
"Unless a guy like this is disarmed, this will probably not be his last."


Well... the man does have another foot...

hack89

(39,171 posts)
9. Would you apply the same one strike standard to driver's licenses?
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:28 AM
Nov 2012

isn't it time to deal with the carnage on the highways?

mikeb302000

(1,065 posts)
50. This is the Gun Control and RKBA thread.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:56 AM
Nov 2012

Of course it's badly named, it should be the "Anti-gun control and RKBA" thread. Even the moderators are biased gun rights fanatics.

But if you want to talk about cars, you're in the wrong place.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
55. so, the guy had bad gun control, right? that is how this thread meets the SoP.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:34 PM
Nov 2012

still trying to get the hang of this place . . .

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
53. In the case of stunts like driving around boom gates. YES!
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:19 AM
Nov 2012

Some acts are just too egregiously reckless or stupid, to permit idiots a second chance if they survive the first.

Instant disqualification and a full circus performance of hoop jumping to requalify.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
10. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:35 AM
Nov 2012

Keep your booger hook off the bang switch, and never point a firearm at anything you aren't willing to destroy.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
11. LOL, no, that's bullshit (again), Mike.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:42 AM
Nov 2012
Gun-rights folks always accuse us of fearing inanimate objects, but when it suits their purposes, they say things like "the gun discharged." The truth is we don't fear inanimate objects, but they love to blame them instead of the man.

Most gun enthusiasts call this sort of thing an "ND" - Negligent Discharge.

The shotgun didn't rest itself on the guy's foot.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,343 posts)
18. No, the shotgun didn't rest itself on the guy's foot
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:17 PM
Nov 2012

Nor did the shotgun chamber a round by itself, take itself off safety, or pull its own trigger.

It takes a whole string of moronic moves to have an accident like this. So many dumb moves that I wonder if alcohol might have been involved.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
31. "So many dumb moves that I wonder if alcohol might have been involved."
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:10 PM
Nov 2012

That would be my guess as well.

Man get's drunk, crashes plane: man is an idiot and shouldn't have been drinking.
Man get's drunk, crashes car: man is an idiot and shouldn't have been drinking.
Man get's drunk, walks in to traffic: man is an idiot and shouldn't have been drinking.
Man get's drunk, falls in lake and drowns: man is an idiot and shouldn't have been drinking.

Man get's drunk, shoots foot off: OMG BAN GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!

ileus

(15,396 posts)
24. Hunted since 1978....yet to lose a body part.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:36 PM
Nov 2012

Went twice this past weekend, zero incidents. Just like the past 34 years....uneventful boring if you will.


Didn't even see a stupid coyote to practice on, much less a deer.

yourout

(7,528 posts)
26. No body parts but I did accidently shoot a hay wagon. Could not see the ....
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:44 PM
Nov 2012

steel upright threw the scope as it was under the line of sight. Put a nice hole in it while the deer stood there a looked at me like....
"What the hell is that guy doing"?

I will be hearing about it from my son till I am dead and buried.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
30. If it's any reassurance you can sleep safely knowing he will at most do this one more time.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:09 PM
Nov 2012
Guns don't discharge by themselves. So this irresponsible and reckless guy made at least two mistakes. That's always the case. Whenever someone is hurt in a so-called gun accident, at least two of the 4 Rules of Gun Safety have been violated.


So . . .guns don't kill people then?


The reason One Strike You're Out must apply to cases like this is in all probability, this was not his very first act of negligence, he's 37-years-old, he's been doing stuff like this his whole life. Placing the muzzle of a loaded weapon on your foot is an unacceptable breach of safety. Unless a guy like this is disarmed, this will probably not be his last.


Naturally this one strike rule applies to any dangerous devices. Like cars. Or swimming pools. Or prescription meds. Or gas stoves. Or . . .

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
34. Basic error --
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:27 PM
Nov 2012

he should have rested the gun barrel on the end of his big toe. That would greatly limited the amount of tissue blown off. He will remember that the next time he goes hunting.

doc03

(35,340 posts)
42. I wouldn't sell the Lab any guns. But there are probably some gun
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:14 PM
Nov 2012

advocates that think he has 2nd Amendment rights anyway.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
43. How Does This Thread meet the SoP for this group --
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 07:58 PM
Nov 2012

Statement of Purpose

Discuss gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
45. Spam? BS?
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:18 PM
Nov 2012

The op believes this person is a criminal and should be fined, and his basic human rights removed.

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