Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumNRA expands its role from fight for gun rights to conservative causes
The American Legislative Executive Council, also known as ALEC, is getting attention lately for its behind the scenes work pushing conservative legislation in the states.
The National Rifle Association worked with ALEC to spread similar laws that are on the books in at least 25 states.
Those laws grow directly out of the Second Amendment ethos the NRA has championed: "the ethos of individualism, of having a gun, of individuals taking the initiative," said Robert Spitzer, a political scientist at the State University of New York at Cortland and at Cornell University who has studied and written about the NRA for decades.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-04-06/politics/politics_nra-alec_1_nra-officials-alec-gun-rights?
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Tara Mica is an NRA lobbyist, but that doesn't mean that she has lost any of her rights as a private person. She work on other legislation with other groups. It doesn't mean that the NRA has taken an official stance on such other issue.
Db Owen97
(40 posts)Is this the part that bothers you so much?
"the ethos of individualism, of having a gun, of individuals taking the initiative"
Because all of that is part of the classical liberal mindset,and I can agree with it,much like I can agree with the founding fathers and support what their hard work has afforded this nation.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Do tell.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... especially when those who gain plan to destroy the environment that supports hunting, which is the reason many of us own guns.
Spreading fear that "Obama's gonna use the UN to take your guns" is not in the best interest of gun owners, yet that is the main message from the NRA. Nor is it true.
But Pres. Obama reiterating that he wants to re-authorize the AWB and make it permenent gave the NRA-ILA fodder to feed on.
Be that as it may, name another gun rights org. that has the clout to protect gun rights?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)The manic rantings of the NRA harm the image of gun owners nationally, and in turn harm our cause.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)Nothing at all.
And what weapons did it ban? None, all the manufacturer's did was change a few things and then they were legal to sell.
Why ban something that has no impact on society?
And what good did it do to even mention it when he knows that another AWB will never get throught the congress?
And just what is an "Assault Weapon"? Anything used to assault someone is a weapon.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Wayne and Ted come to mind.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)We'll wait....
Scuba
(53,475 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...and why?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)The manic rantings of the NRA harm the image of gun owners nationally, and in turn harm our cause.
What are "SANE" gun laws and how do they differ from the NRA? What is good about an "assault weapons ban", and why is the NRA objection to it objectionable? What "manic rantings of the NRA" are you refering to?
Seriously, specifics please.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)If you want to debate potential firearm legislation you'll have to find someone else, but the antics of the NRA are preventing any legislation from being publicly debated with thoughtful consideration and that is harmful to us all, gun owners and not.
At some point the right wing in this country will lose control of government. When that happens, backlash from the NRA's extremism will result in firearm bans that go well beyond the common good. This will be, to a large degree, the fault of the NRA.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)What legislation is "sane" and needs to be debated with "thoughtful consideration" that is being blocked solely by the NRA?
If you can't state what it is, then I can only assume you are merely trying to sell undefined fear. And that's not our job.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Nice try with the "undefined fear" dismissal, but it's a fail.
Now, why don't you try to justify the lack of calm, rationale public debate on the topic???
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)We pretty much beg for ideas that would be A. Constitutional, and B. Would actually work without fucking over the non-criminal public. If you have any, here and now is how to start the conversation. If you have ideas that fit the above criteria, bring them on.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Otherwise, go hat in hand to Michael Bloomberg and tell him that you'd like to take the NRA down a notch while providing an alternative for gun owners.
See if he forks over some cash. I rather believe he won't...
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)The people here are the ones who will be the closest to your position. If you can't even talk to us, I can not forecast effective results elsewhere. Promotion of gun control has spent far to much political capitol and created far too much vitriol (not quite a 50/50 split, but within shouting distance) with no tangible results other than frustration on behalf of those who would otherwise be your allies.
YMMV.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)conservative means maintain the status quo, or stuck in the past. Since "duty to retreat" outside the home dates back to English common law, and SYG started to appear in US common law during the Progressive Era. AFAIK, Illinois was the first state to pass a SYG law in 1961.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Due to its age and incorrect data, it no longer makes any sense.