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The Wall Street Journal reportsA Hudson Valley is being held without bail after police say he shot his girlfriend in the face, then brought her to a hospital.
Police in the Ulster County town of Lloyd tell local media outlets that 27-year-old Jorge Marrero used a handgun to shoot Lauren Watts during an argument last Sunday in their apartment in the hamlet of Highland.
Marrero took Watts to Vassar Brothers Hospital in Poughkeepsie after the shooting. The hospital then notified police that a shooting victim was being treated there.
Marrero was charged with felony counts of assault and criminal possession of a weapon.
You have to have a really explosive anger problem to do something like that. Unfortunately, this kind of rage is not limited to criminals. A certain percentage of lawful gun owners have it too, just like all other societal ills.
One thing for sure, whether the bad actor is a criminal or a legitimate gun owner, guns are bad news for women. The gun-rights fanatics are so defensive about this, recently they were arguing that female-on-male domestic violence is a factor. They always demand statistics and proof, then when it's provided they ignore it.
There's definitely a violence problem in the US. Guns make it worse.
What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)That much I can agree with. The rest? Same ol' same ol.
"Guns make it worse."
So do knives. And bricks. And baseball bats. And fists. And bottles. And tire irons.
What's the common denominator in all these?
The violence.
It seems like THAT is what we should be addressing.
What's your opinion?
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)that guns kill more people than all those other potential weapons? That's because guns are not potential weapons, they are weapons. That's what they do.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)News flash #2: The problem is the violence, not the tool.
Or are you so biased that you CAN'T see that?
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Since you seem to have gotten the notion that guns somehow make violence worse, you might want to study the histories of the Roman and Mongol empires.
They regularly did things sans firearms that would make a Wehrmacht field marshal blanch...
ileus
(15,396 posts)You believe that don't you?
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but he was not a lawful gun owner
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... must be all those guns.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/16/italy-struggles-with-spate-of-domestic-violence-murders.html
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Pull the other one.
holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)Apparently, not for this woman ...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/04/1051638/-Recently-Widowed-Mother-Shoots-Kills-Armed-Attacker
Francis Marion
(250 posts)My wife's more like the lady in the top photo. Thank God.
Francis Marion
(250 posts)You're right. You see, there are no women in the US who own guns. It's only bad, mean men who do that.
After all, why would women want to own or know how to use the one thing that can put an attacker, no matter how big, fat, or tall, or drunk, six feet under? Women are just too nice and pure and delicate and hysterical to even think of doing that, even for the protection of their pretty little selves.
C'mon now. Unless 'women' are prepared to kick a male attacker's a$$ in hand to hand combat, NOT having a gun is 'bad news for women.'
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)I like the cut of that gal's jib.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Yes, and that percentage is very small.
Most people who commit homicide with a firearm have extensive prior criminal histories, including, on average, 4 felonies.
I'm sure the trend is similar to people who commit any kind of crime with a firearm.
It takes a long time to build up a comfort with devaluing human life, and this is usually showcased by a long criminal history of victimizing people.
http://www.cardozolawreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138:kates201086&catid=20:firearmsinc&Itemid=20
The idea that "every gun owner is a potential criminal waiting to snap" is a myth.
It's a very small minority of the population that is anti-social enough to resort to violence.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)It's not a myth, it's a fact. People who commit homicide with firearms almost always have extensive prior criminal histories.
Did you even read the article I cited?
MASSACHUSETTS: Some 95% of homicide offenders . . . [in a Kennedy School study had been] arraigned at least once in [Page91] Massachusetts courts before they [murdered]. . . . On average . . . homicide offenders had been arraigned for 9 prior offenses.22
ATLANTA: Eighty percent of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had previously been arrested at least once for a drug offense; and 70% had three or more prior drug arrestsin addition to all their arrests for other crimes.23
DELAWARE: Reporting on shootings, including many in which victims had only been wounded rather than killed, 80% of shooters had arrest records going all the way back to their juvenile years; 57% had been charged at least twice with drug offenses.24
NEW YORK CITY: A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders in that city over the years 2003-2005 found [m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records . . . .25
ILLINOIS: Over the years 1991-2000, the great majority of murderers had prior felony records.26
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)What?
The article provides citations that support the case that most people who have committed homicide have extensive prior criminal histories.
Very few people just "snap" and kill someone.
mikeb302000
(1,065 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)It's easy to dismiss an article full of citations as "bullshit".
It's quite another thing to provide data to the contrary.
I'm sure you have data that indicates that it is in fact common for people to just "snap" and go on a killing spree, doncha? Well doncha?
Mmmhmm. I didn't think so.
Mikey is long on emotion and short on fact.
jeepnstein
(2,631 posts)He's just trolling the boards and when the facts come into play he just goes on to his next topic.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)I'm going with "What is 'both,' Alex?"
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)that would translate to over a million such incidents per year.
It is far less than that.
So yeah . . .
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)From the prohibitionists about gun-owners be...what is it? "Paranoid?"
Mike. Really.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)..."A Hudson Valley is being held without bail..."
It's a big jail. A really BIG jail.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)But no, that's how the article was written :p
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...happen to anyone but it's funny when it's some pro-control puppets.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117280559#post11
Kennah
(14,315 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...a jail is like a circle, it has only two sides, the inside and the outside.
Some folks who've spent time in jail:
Ghandi
Lindsay Lohan
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Wyatt Earp
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Plaxico Burress
Jesus of Nazareth
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Then he can't beat her to a pulp either.
Kennah
(14,315 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Indeed they'd be much better off if we removed this equalizer and let everyone fall back on physical strength instead.