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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:48 AM Oct 2012

Gunman won't be charged in fatal shooting

Brice Harper will not be charged with deliberate homicide for the fatal shooting of 40-year-old Dan Fredenberg, Flathead County Attorney Ed Corrigan announced Tuesday.

According to a joint press release issued by Corrigan and the Kalispell Police Department, Harper’s actions were justified under a series of state self-defense laws commonly referred to as “castle doctrine” and “stand your ground” laws in effect across the country.

“Were we to charge Brice with homicide and proceed to trial, I am convinced the judge and/or jurors would conclude that Brice reasonably believed he was about to be assaulted and that his use of force was therefore justified under Montana law,” Corrigan wrote. “We lack the evidence necessary to prove otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Harper, 24, shot and killed Fredenberg the night of Sept. 22 when Fredenberg confronted Harper about a relationship he had been having with Dan’s wife, Heather Fredenberg.

http://www.dailyinterlake.com/news/local_montana/article_8064190a-123e-11e2-8fda-0019bb2963f4.html
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Gunman won't be charged in fatal shooting (Original Post) SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
He not only shot him once, but three times montanacowboy Oct 2012 #1
The article describes a bit more than just coming onto a driveway (caveats about petronius Oct 2012 #3
The lesson you missed... Clames Oct 2012 #4
Where did it say in front of his wife and kids? CokeMachine Oct 2012 #14
You're right- it didn't friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #17
Looks like another hit and run poster. CokeMachine Oct 2012 #22
Can we assume the rest of your posts are of similar accuracy? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #18
I read a story that said Jenoch Oct 2012 #21
Are you confused about the particulars of the incident, or just lying? n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #20
Cool story. No heroes at all - just drunks, cheaters, and a wife-beater. slackmaster Oct 2012 #2
And defending them no less. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #6
I would have to see everything that would be introduced in a trial but gejohnston Oct 2012 #5
I know i shouldn't laugh at this Missycim Oct 2012 #7
Yeah, that's absolutely fucking hilarious! Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #9
Its called dark humor look it up. Missycim Oct 2012 #10
Trash people being trashy. However, newsflash: unarmed people aren't harmless. More than 4x more rDigital Oct 2012 #8
Oh no, not the hands and feet again! Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #11
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #13
They kill more people then those evil "assault weapons." nt hack89 Oct 2012 #15
Time to ban those pesky hands and feet then Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #16
since most people here have not gejohnston Oct 2012 #19
It's not silly -- CokeMachine Oct 2012 #23
So it really not about the actual threat, is it? hack89 Oct 2012 #24
Two punch 'n' runs on Austin's 6th st., two deaths... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #12

montanacowboy

(6,097 posts)
1. He not only shot him once, but three times
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:52 AM
Oct 2012

right in front of his wife and kids

this is this castle doctrine fucking bullshit - so anyone that comes onto your driveway and is not armed, and you feel threatened, you can shoot him three times and it's OK?

petronius

(26,602 posts)
3. The article describes a bit more than just coming onto a driveway (caveats about
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:14 AM
Oct 2012

relying too heavily on news articles apply, of course).

A previous violent confrontation, the deceased advancing through a garage toward a visibly armed person, and another potential assault-victim (the wife) outside - any death is deplorable, but I can certainly understand how the shooter could have felt a reasonable fear of serious injury in those circumstances...

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
4. The lesson you missed...
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:14 AM
Oct 2012

...is that one better think twice before being drunk and considering to assault someone on their property.

 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
22. Looks like another hit and run poster.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:41 PM
Oct 2012

Oh well -- it' the norm for the antis. I also noticed he/she said driveway. I think the story said something about a garage. Facts aren't their forte I guess.

Take Care!!

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
18. Can we assume the rest of your posts are of similar accuracy?
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:30 PM
Oct 2012
this is this castle doctrine fucking bullshit - so anyone that comes onto your driveway and is not armed, and you feel threatened, you can shoot him three times and it's OK?


He was in his garage and being threatened, per the linked article.

Also, there is no indication that his kids were anywhere around.
 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
21. I read a story that said
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:01 PM
Oct 2012

the kids were in the mother's vehicle in the driveway.

The widow in this story is blaming her young friend for 'murdering' her husband. If she did not mess around with this guy he would likely be alive today.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
5. I would have to see everything that would be introduced in a trial but
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:16 AM
Oct 2012

just from the article, you have a middle aged guy at his home vs a violent drunk who beats his wife. I can see reasonable doubt.

 

Missycim

(950 posts)
7. I know i shouldn't laugh at this
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:53 AM
Oct 2012

but why do the people who get shot always say "you shot me" no shit he did lol

 

rDigital

(2,239 posts)
8. Trash people being trashy. However, newsflash: unarmed people aren't harmless. More than 4x more
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:08 PM
Oct 2012

people are killed by hands and feet of other "unarmed" people than any type of rifle (that includes the uber scary tacticool semi autos too) each year in the U.S.

It's not like the movies, anything that can knock you out can kill you. Many people are killed with a single punch.

Man killed with one punch in Las Vegas casino
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/07/06/20110706las-vegas-casino-beating-death.html

Man killed with a single punch in the UK. Gets 5 years. Illegal gun buyers get 15?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/09/delroy-hines-killed-man-one-punch-loses-appeal_n_1502930.html

Another one punch murder
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/172812571.html

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
11. Oh no, not the hands and feet again!
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:16 PM
Oct 2012

Headline: Hundreds were slaughtered today throughout the United States by a growing army of deadly hands and feet. Legislators are considering outlawing the use of such weapons unless the owners have a permit to carry them openly.

You guys crack me up, especially when you say "It's not like the movies"

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
13. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 12:41 PM
Oct 2012
Headline: Hundreds were slaughtered today throughout the United States by a growing army of deadly hands and feet. Legislators are considering outlawing the use of such weapons unless the owners have a permit to carry them openly.

And yet legislators are considering outlawing assault rifles, which kill half as many people as hands and feet.

I'm not sure you realize the irony of your sarcasm.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
16. Time to ban those pesky hands and feet then
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:23 PM
Oct 2012

Damn you guys are funny. Sounds like you're competing for the Zimmerman award.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
19. since most people here have not
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:32 PM
Oct 2012

bothered with learning the facts of the case, the Zimmerman reference is silly.

 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
23. It's not silly --
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 11:49 PM
Oct 2012

it's just the way our betters do things. Run out of facts and just start flinging shit. God I hate the crows that like my choke cherry (wild cherry) bushes but they fling less shit.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
24. So it really not about the actual threat, is it?
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 06:50 AM
Oct 2012

it is all about a wedge issue to pass future gun control measures - just like the original AWB.

BTW - it does not mean banning anything. It means adopting a reasonable, rational and fact based position. Not strict adherence to a rigid anti-gun ideology.

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