Involuntary Manslaughter for Wyoming Man who Killed His Brother

[mikeb302000]

Local news reports

The Mills Police Department has arrested a man for involuntary manslaughter. Aaron Michael Gish was taken into custody Thursday evening, 10 days after shooting his older brother, Ryan Gish, police say.

On Sept. 17, police received an early afternoon call that a man had been accidentally shot on Fourth Avenue. Upon arrival, police found Ryan Gish was suffering from a wound to the abdomen and wrist. He was transported to the Wyoming Medical Center and pronounced dead shortly thereafter.

According to the affidavit, no one aside from the brothers was present at the residence at the time of the incident. The younger Gish admitted that the 9 mm pistol in question was his, and that he accidentally shot his brother.

Aaron Gish told police officers that he and his brother were having a conversation while he was manipulating the pistol. He reportedly admitted that he intentionally squeezed the trigger but could not explain why, despite his firearm training.

Officers say Gish admitted in at least one interview that he consumed marijuana that day. Suspected methamphetamine was additionally found in the house.

This young man was a lawful gun owner in one of the big gun-friendly states. Given his admissions about using drugs, I suppose the best we could label him is a "hidden criminal."

The pro-gun crowd is rife with these guys. Upwards of 50% of them are actually unfit to own and use guns safely due various problems, drugs being one of the most common.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000

[holdencaufield]

1. You're a recreational drug prohibitionist...

... in addition to being a firearm prohibitionist?

How do you feel about sex, Queen Victoria?

[rfranklin]

3. Thank you for supporting those of us who like to mix drugs, drink and guns...

We have been oppressed for way too long.

[mikeb302000]

8. Recreational drugs and guns do not go well together.

I don't want to prohibit either one. I just want gun owners to be responsible and accountable.

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. "I just want gun owners to be responsible and accountable." He was.

So what's your point, besides blog pimping?

[mikeb302000]

26. He was?

Do you mean he was held accountable? You can't mean he was responsible.

[Atypical Liberal]

24. "How do you feel about sex, Queen Victoria?"

BWHAHAAHAHAHAAHAH

Thread winner, right there!

[Reasonable_Argument]

2. Really

The pro-gun crowd is rife with these guys. Upwards of 50% of them are actually unfit to own and use guns safely due various problems, drugs being one of the most common.

Care to show where you pulled that out of? I have a feeling it would be NSFW.

[4th law of robotics]

6. It's ok to lie if it serves a Higher Truth

In this case guns are evil. That is Truth.

So making up stats to prove that is acceptable. Those are small lies but they serve a greater truth so it's ok.

[mikeb302000]

9. You should read my blog. n.t.

[friendly_iconoclast]

18. You should post it here, or pay DU for advertising your blog n.t.

[rl6214]

50. You should post it here instead of pimping your blog

[Remmah2]

13. I wonder if this is the work of a republican operative?

Throw in the NRA propoganda against Obama on the 2A and this could be an application of reverse psychology.

[ileus]

4. How gun friendly is the state you live in?

We'd also like to know where your 50% number comes from?

[mikeb302000]

10. You should read my blog. n.t.

[holdencaufield]

12. He doesn't live in any state ...

... he's from Italy.

[friendly_iconoclast]

20. Apparently, he's a veteran of the 1st Earth Battalion and can remote sense...

...thus eliminating the need for pesky things like 'citations' and 'empirical evidence'.

[ileus]

21. Things only a "king" would know.

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. I wonder if he can cure scrofula with his touch?

[4th law of robotics]

5. Wyoming is on the low end for crime rates

odd since guns force people to commit crimes and they're one of the "big gun-friendly states".

For some reason reality keeps getting out of sync with the Holy Writ.

Couldn't be that the Holy Writ is flawed. Reality must be wrong.

[gejohnston]

7. was he a "hidden criminal"?

did he already have a record? Frankly, I think pot should be legal. That said, the gun should be in the safe before the bottle or bong comes out. Meth addicts should be treated as a public health issue, not a criminal issue.
If he is a meth cook, fuck him.

[mikeb302000]

11. It's not a question of what should or should not be legal.

If people did what you said about putting the guns away in the safe before breaking out the bottle or bong there's be no problem. But they don't, do they? They think they can do any fucking thing they want. And you encourage it with your gun-rights beliefs.

Let me ask you this, when one fails to put the gun in the safe before breaking out the bottle or the bong, should they lose their gun rights?

If you say no, then all your talk is worthless.

[gejohnston]

14. it being unloaded

and on the table is the same effect, but his guy is going to be held accountable. Granted, it going to be in one of the cleaner and modern prisons in the US, but looking at the Red Desert through razer wire is not on my list of things to do.

[friendly_iconoclast]

19. The old saying was right: It's not about guns with you lot, it's about control.

[ileus]

16. according to some it's anyone that owns a firearm.

Droped a gun...criminal
Didn't lock up your gun before opening a beer....criminal
Old person....criminal
Forgot a cartridge in your luggage ....criminal
Left a firearm in your car...criminal
Ad....criminal
ND...criminal

Private sale...criminal
wine in the basement gun in the den....criminal
Stopped and bought 6 pack on your way home while carrying...criminal

The list is endless...

[mikeb302000]

27. I don't call all of them criminals.

I say they should be disqualified from owning guns.

[ileus]

30. "hidden criminals"

[4th law of robotics]

33. It's a nonsensical term

Hidden criminal referring to anyone who commits a crime without having prior convictions.

Ie EVERY SINGLE CRIMINAL EVER at one point.

Until we get the office of Pre-Crime set up this is an absurd line of logic.

[Eleanors38]

15. Mikey. You're hatred is showing again. Try to keep it down. Thanx.nt

[Common Sense Party]

23. Huh? I read all the time on DU that pot smokers never do anything stupid.

They never commit acts of violence, or stupidity, or reckless abandon.

I call bullsquat on this story. No MENSA member marijuanista would shoot his brother.



Please cite statistics to PROVE that more than 50% of the "pro-gun crowd" are "unfit to own and use guns safely."

We'll wait.

[mikeb302000]

28. It works like this

People who have violent misdemeanor convictions, ones who use illegal drugs, those who drink without locking the guns up in a safe, the ones who take medication for mental health conditions or pain, and let's not forget the obese, certain handicapped, and the stupid ones.

We must include those who drop guns or bring them to airports by mistake. Any negligent discharge too. The folks who keep a gun in the nightstand or under the pillow when they leave the house.

Now, do you think that does not add up to 50%?

[gejohnston]

29. no,

but that adds up to 70 percent of Italy, when you add in misogynists, lousy drivers, and anyone who voted for SB three times.

WTF does obesity have to do with it?

[holdencaufield]

31. People who let the toilet paper...

... roll from the front .... CRIMINALS!

[mikeb302000]

37. Obese people are incapable

of doing several physical things that are sometimes necessary for proper gun management. Bending, running, retreating, moving quickly, all may be required at times.

[gejohnston]

40. actually none of that is

is true. You just don't like fat people, that is why you listed it on your list of why the US sucks.

[friendly_iconoclast]

48. Self-defense instructor, were you? Or was it one of those "secret" professions like...

...the one a certain poster kept banging on about in the recent 'guns in bars' thread?

[Common Sense Party]

32. Here's a tip for you, Mike. This may help you in your future endeavors.

"do you think that does not add up to 50%?" is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination, a citation of evidence. It is not proof. It is not statistical data. It is you pulling nonsense out of your nether regions, nothing more.

That tells me all I need to know about anything you post in your gun-hating little screeds.

[mikeb302000]

38. Ahh, poor misunderstood gun owner.

You can't stand it when someone disagrees with you and can make sense about it. What I say is not nonsense, and you know it. That's why you get so upset.

[Common Sense Party]

42. As soon as you make sense, please let the rest of us know.

We've grown tired of all the pablum.

[mikeb302000]

46. Oh, do you speak for everyone here? n.t.

[Common Sense Party]

56. No, you're right. I believe I speak for MANY of us in the Gun forum.

Upwards of 50% of us.

[rl6214]

52. Are you a janitor at the UN?

You ceartainly can't be getting paid to do anything that requires much thought.

[rl6214]

51. What a fucking joke...

"People who...take medication for ...pain, and let's not forget the obese, certain handicapped,"

So if I take an aspirin or maybe something a little stronger for pain and/or I am obese or somewhat handicapped I am a "hidden criminal"?




I knew you were a bigot against gun owners but NEVER knew you were a bigot against the obese or handicapped.

[Atypical Liberal]

25. Citation, please.

This young man was a lawful gun owner in one of the big gun-friendly states. Given his admissions about using drugs, I suppose the best we could label him is a "hidden criminal."

Just like Mikey, eh? Another self-admitted firearm-owning criminal.

The pro-gun crowd is rife with these guys. Upwards of 50% of them are actually unfit to own and use guns safely due various problems, drugs being one of the most common.

Citation, please.

And yet, in spite of supposedly half of all firearm owners being "hidden criminals", 95% or more of them are not involved in firearm-related crimes every year.

I guess gun-owning criminals are just smarter than your average criminal and just don't get caught.

The man is being charged with involuntary manslaughter. It would not bother me if he was charged with murder - just as people are in many places who kill others while driving while intoxicated.

In any case, this man committed a crime, and this man is going to pay the price for it, not me, and not the other vast majority of firearm owners who have not been convicted of any crimes.

[AtheistCrusader]

34. What happened to your old account?

[Common Sense Party]

35. Let it be known that THIS is the thread where King Mike claims the majority of gun owners are unfit

to own a gun.

The pro-gun crowd is rife with these guys. Upwards of 50% of them are actually unfit to own and use guns safely

In a recent thread, Mike denies saying what he just said right here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=76744

I never said more than 50%. You are a liar.

What does "upwards" mean in Italy?

[friendly_iconoclast]

36. I bookmarked both threads, and I urge others to do so as well...

[mikeb302000]

39. "Upwards of" means "moving towards" or "almost."

What you're thinking about is "more than." I didn't say that.

[Common Sense Party]

41. In no way, in no dictionary, in no one's opinion does "upwards of" mean "almost."

Feel free to ask around.

"Upwards of" MEANS "more than."

Words have meanings, which are not subject to your own whims.

[glacierbay]

43. Mike caught lying again?

whoddathunkit?

[Common Sense Party]

44. Or at least showing a lack of basic English mastery.

Would you have EVER thought that "upwards of 50%" actually means "ALMOST 50%"?

Maybe it means something else in Italy?

Verso l'alto del 50%

[glacierbay]

45. Nope

upwards of 50% means more than 50%, no if, ands, or buts about it. When you lie so much, it's hard to keep track and it will trip you up every time as witnessed by Mike's posts here.

[mikeb302000]

47. You're right - I was wrong. n.t.

[glacierbay]

54. You've been wrong on just about everything

since you started posting a couple of weeks ago. You've been caught outright lying and when called on it, you give some lame excuse about not knowing that upwards of 50% meant more than 50%, sorry, I'm not buying it, my 10 yo granddaughter knows what upwards of means.

[mikeb302000]

57. Sorry, I was wrong about that and now I know.

[4th law of robotics]

55. The proper epitaph to all of your threads that I've seen.

[rl6214]

53. You must need a new Italian to English dictionary...

"upwards of" means MORE THAN You DID say that.

[rl6214]

49. You and your "hidden criminal" bullshit again. Not even your fellow gun prohibitionists

get behind that steaming pile. And continuing with your dishonest hidden blog links.

Would you consider yourself a "hidden criminal" or are you just an openly outright criminal since you admitted your illegal gun ownership on another forum?

[mikeb302000]

58. I haven't touched a gun for 30 years.

And actually, my "hidden criminal" idea is understood by many, even gun owners. What's your position that every gun owner is squeaky clean?

[rl6214]

59. My position is you either are a criminal or you aren't

your "hidden criminal" bullshit is just that...bullshit and your numbers you attribute to being 'hidden criminals" smell just as bad. You didn't answer my question though, are you a hidden criminal since you were an illegal gun owner or just a criminal?

[gejohnston]

60. what about non gun owning hidden criminals?

or are you saying a gun owning pot smoker should forfeit all of his 4A and 5A rights, non gun owning pot smoker still maintain theirs? You said obese people, and you are bigoted towards obese people based on your "three reasons the US sucks" post, should also have fewer rights.
Are you really a liberal? Just because you believe in a mixed economy, Keynesian economics and a social safety net does not mean you are a liberal. That is true of most conservatives in the world, including the US until a few years ago, including Italy's ultra right wing in a darker period.