Brown signs limited ban on "open carry" of rifles

[SecularMotion]

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gov. Jerry Brown announced Friday that he had extended a ban on the open display of handguns in most California cities and towns to include rifles and shotguns.

Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-La Canada-Flintridge, said he wrote AB1527 after gun rights advocates began carrying unloaded long guns to protest a law from last year that prohibited the display of handguns.

The measure will make it a misdemeanor to display an unloaded firearm in a public place. It includes dozens of exemptions for hunters, members of the military, rural Californians, and those bringing their guns to shooting ranges or gunsmiths.

The rifle and shotgun ban sparked lengthy debates in both houses of the Legislature, with Republicans calling it an attempt to infringe on Second Amendment rights.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/state&id=8829681

[Eleanors38]

1. Prediction: Cally will be successfully challenged in court

To either protect concealed carry or protect open carry or both. So will other states which seek to prevent both.

[Loudly]

2. I'm fine with such a ban.

[glacierbay]

6. Of course you are Shares.

But don't hold your breath on it being upheld in the courts. It will probably go the way of the San Francisco gun ban.

[Loudly]

7. Why would you want to live in a society which shows off guns?

Hostile and unsightly.

And doubles down on a false premise about a pretend right.

[PavePusher]

8. Unless I hold it out and display it to you...

I am not "showing it off".

Your grasp on common English seems quite faulty.

[Reasonable_Argument]

9. Well I'll say one thing

And doubles down on a false premise about a pretend right.

You're persistent

[rDigital]

13. Loudly, do you support complete civillian disarmament? nt

[Loudly]

14. As a long-term objective, yes. Through a policy of escalating scarcity, not confiscation.

Turning off the spigot of newly minted units (including ammunition) is the first step.

[glacierbay]

15. Ok Shares

How do you stop the smuggling of weapons across our northern and southern borders? With a lathe and a drill press, any competent machinist can crank out cheap guns, machine guns, and the only ones that would be disarmed are the thugs, is that what you really want? An unarmed population left to the mercy of criminals?

[Loudly]

18. Access to guns and ammo by criminals is the result of factory mass production.

The great smuggling scandal torn from the headlines is abundance and retail availability in the USA spilling over into a nation which prefers not to have an armed citizenry.

You keep pointing to the problem and calling it the solution.

[glacierbay]

19. Why is it that you can't give a straight answer

ONE MORE TIME, How are you going to stop firearm smuggling across our northern and southern borders? Smugglers have no problem getting drugs or immigrants in, how hard do you think it would be to smuggle guns in?

The black market is always going to fulfill a demand, just look at past bans, ie: prohibition, the WOD, all filled by the black market.
You will never ever stop the people from getting guns, the only possible way would be for all nations to stop making firearms, do you really think that will ever happen? Even then, there are still billions of firearms out there and well maintained firearms can last centuries.

[Reasonable_Argument]

26. They can also be manufactured very easily

Sten guns were built in bicycle shops by the British in WWII.

[rDigital]

16. I respect the honest reply. nt

[MercutioATC]

24. So you're comfortable waiting 200-300 years?

210 MILLION guns in the U.S. right now. Stop production and import today and that's where you start.

How long do you think it will take to get rid of 210 million guns through "a policy of escalating scarcity"?

[alp227]

23. What do you mean disarmament? No more 2nd amendment? No public carry?

I support concealed carry, as I wouldn't want to walk down the street and see someone who's not a cop openly displaying a firearm, as most people don't carry guns in public. See my reply 22 for more.

[rDigital]

27. Complete Disarmament, IMO, is no guns whatsoever in any civilian hands for any reason. NT

[gejohnston]

3. I fail to see how

it would curb "gun violence" unless it keeps trigger happy cops from opening up on a skeet shooter at Starbucks. Open carry of loaded guns was banned in 1967.

[4th law of robotics]

4. So you have to carry a rifle concealed?

That could get awkward.

Presumably all these gun laws have made CA one of the safest states in the nation. Right?

[upaloopa]

5. Well I am happy for our state's gun laws.

You can keep your gun loving hands out of our state.

[4th law of robotics]

10. California is free of gun-crime is it?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

11. Considering that the laws against open carry in CA started due to blacks

doing it, I assume you are also good with those racist roots as well.

[oneshooter]

12. I will, along with my money and my business. n/t

[upaloopa]

25. Fine by me as long as you keep your guns out to

[oneshooter]

34. However you are welcome to visit Texas, we even reconise your states CHL's.

[trouble.smith]

30. me too. I'll go as far as Arizona but that's it.

[ileus]

17. Scary boom sticks....ban em quick.

[glacierbay]

20. Long Stick Goes Boom

Krokus live 1983 (14/49) - Long Stick Goes Boom

[krispos42]

21. So it's another California gun law that you need a flowchart to understand.

*sigh*

Over a hundred thousand words in California's gun laws, and that's not enough.

[alp227]

22. The way society is, anyone openly carrying a gun in public would scare others off.

On the other hand, I just can't resist the thought of an armed civilian firing back against an armed criminal on the streets or in any place. I recently saw this article "Resistance is futile for a majority of street robbery victims in San Francisco" in a local newspaper. My random, bordering-on-fallacy logic that I'd like to see a counter argument: in a society where open carry were the norm, criminals would be discouraged because they KNOW that someone will fire back at them. Thoughts?

[hrmjustin]

28. good point but they would have to get a constitutional amendment to dot this so they need...

[trouble.smith]

29. Well, that should reduce the incidence of gun violence in California.

and if it doesn't- oh well, it feels good.

[rl6214]

31. And you oppose this?

So do I, I'm glad we are together on this issue.

[deathrind]

32. Good...

For California!

[ileus]

33. Sad for California...such a nice state, such horrible laws.