Let's stop playing the blame game!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

Most everyone can fall victim to the blame game. Some folks find it easy to fixate on an attribute that certain perpetrators share with other uninvolved people and spread the blame to that group. In this case it's pretty obvious that the perps I'm referring to are criminals using firearms. Some, not all, of the pro-control folks like to blame all gun owners for those crimes.

I don't blame all Muslims for al-qaeda. I don't blame all Christians for the Westboro Baptist Church. (I do blame Republicans for the high price of beer but that's another story.)

Is there anyone in the "blame all gun owners camp" that would like to defend their logic?

Is there anyone that wants to admit that they blame all gun owners for violent crime where firearms are used?

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[jody]

1. Perhaps your intentions are good but this is one of several political issues for which no compromise

is possible.

I and others prove that the right to keep and bear arms for defense of self is a natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable right as PA said in 1776 and VT in 1777.

As an unalienable right, it is impossible for citizens to give that right away.

Those who oppose RKBA contend that it is a privilege granted by government.

There cannot be a compromise on that issue.

The question is not about blame but about whether citizens have unalienable rights or only privileges granted by an all-powerful central government.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

2. re: "...your intentions are good..."

My only intention was to understand what those on the other side of this issue from me are thinking and why. I, personally can't see blaming all gun owners for gun crimes. So far the lone voter on that side of the issue hasn't explained anything but I'm hopeful that someone will.

Compromise is always preceded by understanding on both sides.

[jody]

3. Understand, but our nation is split over several divisive, polarizing issues for which no compromise

is possible.

For example, if a person believes that an abortion is a sin and should be prohibited by law, that person can never compromise with someone who wants to let each woman make that decision.

There are other issues like that and each commands a loyal group ready to follow any leader.

We can't even get Roman Catholics and Orthodox to agree so why should anyone expect Jews and Muslims to agree?

I agree with God's admission of failure "And it repented the LORD that {s}he had made man on the earth, and it grieved {her}him at {her}his heart." Changes are mine.

[Eleanors38]

12. "privilege granted by government." You nailed it.nt

[holdencaufield]

4. I blame offensive music lyrics ...

... and fluoridated water

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. Hmmm...

I think Charles Taylor blamed MTV...

[ileus]

5. Of all the posters that I know of that blame all firearm owners...

one was shit canned, and the other won't post to any threads besides his own.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

8. Does that mean...

...you only know of 2 that blame all gun owners?

[Trunk Monkey]

6. I want to hear more about rethugnicans driving up beer prices NT

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. Just check brewery directors

Sam Adams is a good beer. Chrmn of the Brd, CJ Koch contributes to democrats:
http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/Jim_Koch.php

My daughter and I like the Irish Red.

[Eleanors38]

13. Hill country brewing keeps our beer on the left of the dial.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

15. Cheers!

[rrneck]

10. We spontaneously fetishize objects

and infer attributes to those associated with them. It's human nature and sometimes its a good thing. When political parties, lobbying organizations, or think tanks monitize that impulse it gets used for all the wrong reasons.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. Fetishizing an object...

...and then transferring some attitude toward the object to the owner seems decidedly invalid. This manner of thinking seems to me about as valid as shamans and witch doctors, not the sort of thing modern politically progressive people should be about.

[Eleanors38]

14. Fetish is the precursor of prohibition.nt

[PavePusher]

17. Can you explain what is un-stupid about trying to break into a relatives house...

in the middle of the night, then attacking your father with a knife while wearing a ski-mask?

I really want to know how that works in your head.

[Skittles]

18. they can't explain it either

you can bet there is way more the story but what does it matter?

[glacierbay]

22. Maybe there is

and maybe it's exactly what it seems to be, kid in ski mask armed with a knife, lunged at armed citizen, who happened to be his dad, and kid ended up dead.

[jbgood1977]

23. LOL! Nothing to see here, move along.

Ha Ha Ha! How about you answer the question? You made a claim and were asked for clarification, please explain.

[jbgood1977]

24. So far one person blames all lawful gun owners.

Was that you. . . .

[PavePusher]

26. So, not proud of your original comment? n/t

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

27. Oh, heavy mystery time....

What in the world was #16 about??

[PavePusher]

28. Something about stupid to be running out of ones house waving a gun and blazing away at random....

vaguely. I don't recall the exact verbiage right now. It might still be out there in the google somewhere, but it's really not worth my time.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

29. :)

Oh I thought I missed something amusing. :\

[PavePusher]

30. Only in that it was mildly self-amusing to put paid to it's nonsense. 8>) n/t

[glacierbay]

19. He wasn't a murder victim

his being killed is the result of his criminal activity, and it will be ruled justifiable homicide, not murder.

[Skittles]

20. I'm sure the dad will feel much better

[glacierbay]

21. I'm sure he won't

but it's still justifiable homicide and he won't be charged with any crime. The kid made the decision, for whatever reason, to escalate the situation by lunging at dad, who had no idea that it was his son, and he ended up dead, according to the preliminary investigation. The son made a bad choice and he paid the ultimate price.

[PavePusher]

25. That's one vile fucking comment.

Be civil or get bent.

[Starboard Tack]

31. Looks like you found one. I'm surprised there were that many.

Which, I guess means the "blame game" is a meme, along the lines of "rivers of blood". Reminds me of the 60's, when LSD was supposedly a drug that made folk jump out of windows. Hysteria sells newspapers and garners hits on web pages.

[glacierbay]

32. Did you ever see the movie, Reefer Madness?

What a fucking joke of a movie, I dabbled in MJ in VN and I sure as hell don't remember acting like like those idiots.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

34. You don't remember...

...because the CIA gave you all those other drugs.

But seriously, thanks for your service.

[glacierbay]

35. Damn

That's why I can't remember the last 6 mo. of my tour in VN. it was my buddy sharing my hooch giving me mind altering drugs.
Damn the CIA.
Thanks for the kind words.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

33. My motto:

Convict criminals, restore rights and press for progress.
The "blame game" is for children.

The media: sum it up with that Murphy's Law corollary that says 90% of everything is crud.