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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 10:23 AM Sep 2012

How Much Does the NRA Influence Elections?

The National Rifle Association will hand out hundreds of endorsements over the next two months to congressional and gubernatorial candidates, who—if history is any guide—will tout it proudly and loudly to their voters.

In tight races in battleground states such as Ohio and North Carolina, staying on the right side of the powerful pro-gun organization is often considered necessary for electoral success in both Republican and Democratic campaigns. The quest for the endorsement also helps explain the steady, bipartisan voting bloc in Washington on one of the most divisive issues in American politics.

But how much does the group actually matter in individual races? Possibly less than you think.

http://www.wnyc.org/articles/its-free-country/2012/sep/13/explainer-how-much-does-nra-influence-elections/
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How Much Does the NRA Influence Elections? (Original Post) SecularMotion Sep 2012 OP
How much does... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #1
Please don't disrupt threads SecularMotion Sep 2012 #2
no thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #15
Whiner, like PP's follow on whining ... eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #27
I enjoy irony discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #28
Google Dump ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #3
Hi stalker SecularMotion Sep 2012 #4
At least you are finally posting in your Google dump threads ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #8
it couldn't be Less Than -I- think ... because Less Than Zero is not an option Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #5
Please refer to post #2 SecularMotion Sep 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #7
Please refer to posts 1 & 2 ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #9
So which is it? Oneka Sep 2012 #10
There's a difference between lobbying for legislation and influencing elections. SecularMotion Sep 2012 #11
Without electiral consequences Oneka Sep 2012 #19
Ain't you got the memo? It's whatever fits the agenda at the time. shadowrider Sep 2012 #12
Oh the "mouth" I heard it came from a different orifice DonP Sep 2012 #14
3A) Represents too many gun owners who are a one issue voting block n/t shadowrider Sep 2012 #16
Well, we don't need any of their stinking votes anyway DonP Sep 2012 #17
I hear ya. n/t shadowrider Sep 2012 #18
Very Romneyish, isn't it? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #20
ONLY 29 OP'S on the front page. You're slipping n/t shadowrider Sep 2012 #13
I don't know the quantitative answer but DWC Sep 2012 #21
None... ileus Sep 2012 #22
Absolutely it does. Before each election I request a scorecard from the NRA Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #23
You would vote against the Democrats so that you can promote guns Kolesar Sep 2012 #26
Yes, I have voted against Democrats so that I can protect the second amendment. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #29
Not nearly as much as RKBA supporters who vote. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #24
Yet you demonize them at every chance you get rl6214 Sep 2012 #25
Easy answer to that question: GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #30
 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
2. Please don't disrupt threads
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 10:34 AM
Sep 2012

If you feel the OP is off-topic, please use the alert function and stop disrupting threads.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
15. no thanks
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:10 PM
Sep 2012

I'm just not the "teacher, teacher, mommie, mommie" type.
Besides, for being a well-rounded poster apparently interested in sharing even peripherally related information outside the group SOP, I'm surprised you prefer that I not share this information. After all, the SOP doesn't read "Discuss gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence except what the thread originator finds disruptive.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
28. I enjoy irony
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:47 AM
Sep 2012

It's entertaining to have the group, which whines about the need for more rules, characterize anyone referencing the forum SOP as a whiner.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
5. it couldn't be Less Than -I- think ... because Less Than Zero is not an option
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 10:55 AM
Sep 2012

and Sorry, SM but, this OP does not meet the SoP, imo.

on edit: Adding -
Statement of Purpose
Discuss gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.

Response to SecularMotion (Reply #6)

Oneka

(653 posts)
10. So which is it?
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:27 AM
Sep 2012
“The NRA has virtually no impact on congressional elections. The NRA endorsement, so coveted by so many politicians, is almost meaningless. Nor does the money the organization spends have any demonstrable impact on the outcome of races,” Waldman wrote.


http://www.wnyc.org/articles/its-free-country/2012/sep/13/explainer-how-much-does-nra-influence-elections/

Or:
Thanks to the National Rifle Association (NRA) and its massive $200 million-plus war chest, politicians are forced to treat assault rifle ownership like it's as sacrosanct as the First Amendment.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/117270278


So really, which is it, does the NRA have , all the power? Or no power at all?
The divergent opinions in seperate articles that you posted, here in the RKBA forum, both ostensibly trying to bash the NRA, make me wonder if you even read the articles you post?
 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
11. There's a difference between lobbying for legislation and influencing elections.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:43 AM
Sep 2012

I believe the NRA has been more successful getting legislation passed. The irony is that they use the threat of influencing elections to strong-arm legislators.

Oneka

(653 posts)
19. Without electiral consequences
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 01:39 PM
Sep 2012

lobbying may as well be prayer. Lobbying
does not exist, outside of the framework of electoral consequence. An empty threat, of the ability to influence elections, would produce weak lobbying results. Recent NRA victories, indicate strong lobbying results. How can this be?

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
12. Ain't you got the memo? It's whatever fits the agenda at the time.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:46 AM
Sep 2012

I've heard it referred to as, "Talking out of both sides of the mouth".

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
14. Oh the "mouth" I heard it came from a different orifice
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:00 PM
Sep 2012

We have to remember to bookmark this one to add to our stock of gun controllers quotes claiming that the NRA:

1. Really isn't a force influencing elections or legislation

2. Is a major threat to honest electoral politics

3. Doesn't really represent any real voting bloc

4. Is just a tool of the "Big Gun" industry

What did I miss?

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
17. Well, we don't need any of their stinking votes anyway
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:44 PM
Sep 2012

At least that's what I've been assured of up in Meta and GD.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
20. Very Romneyish, isn't it?
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:21 PM
Sep 2012

And just like Mittens, the weak-minded either ignore (or never notice) the contradictions...

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
23. Absolutely it does. Before each election I request a scorecard from the NRA
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:18 PM
Sep 2012

And I vote accordingly.

In the last election, all of my Democratic candidates except one had high marks from the NRA. 3 were the endorsed candidate. I voted for all of them except the guy with the F rating.

Of course, I am ignoring the NRA opinion on President Obama as I am trying to push our government away from a state of perpetual oil-driven warfare and corporate pandering. I feel safe in doing this because I don't think the president can move against the second amendment at this time.

I suspect he will do so given a second term, but I'm hopeful Congress will shut down such a move.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
26. You would vote against the Democrats so that you can promote guns
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:11 AM
Sep 2012

President Obama .... I feel safe in doing this because I don't think the president can move against the second amendment at this time.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
29. Yes, I have voted against Democrats so that I can protect the second amendment.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 09:30 AM
Sep 2012

You can see my ballot in my sig.

Fortunately for me, all of my Democratic candidates except one had high marks from the NRA, and 3 were the endorsed candidate.

My elected officials will respect the second amendment or they won't get my vote.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
24. Not nearly as much as RKBA supporters who vote.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:39 PM
Sep 2012

Which is why Democrats, including the president, have been abandoning those who seek to restrict gun ownership even more.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
25. Yet you demonize them at every chance you get
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:46 AM
Sep 2012

Even though you never post a comment with your google dumps

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