Update from Birmingham, MI

[gejohnston]

Bloomfield Hills— A recent Troy High School graduate was acquitted Thursday of all charges in his arrest for carrying a rifle through downtown Birmingham.

A jury in 48th District Court found Sean M. Combs, 18, not guilty of brandishing a firearm and disturbing the peace. Wednesday, Judge Marc Barron issued a directed verdict dismissing a charge of resisting and obstructing a police officer after Combs' attorney, James Makowski, argued that city attorney Mary Kucharek had not proven that offense.

"I think they came up with the right verdict," Combs said after his acquittal. "It took them a while, but at the end of the day, I think it was the right decision."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120712/METRO02/207120447#ixzz20TdJdcrx

I doesn't sound like the DA had much of a case.

[sarisataka]

1. Correct verdict

but still a stupid action. Looking for confrontation does not win many people over to your side.

[Meiko]

2. He should have

never been arrested to begin with.

[ManiacJoe]

3. If he had shown his ID, he probably would not have been arrested.

He was engaged in a public act that required him to be 18+, and he did not look the part.

[Meiko]

4. In other words

he was profiled. He was not breaking any laws and was minding his own business. There was no probable cause.

[ManiacJoe]

8. There was probable cause, if you believe the cops.

They thought he was under age. Show and ID to prove you are an adult, then good to go.

[PavePusher]

10. So, if someone doesn't appear to be a citizen....

we can check to ascertain that they are here legally, amiright?

[ManiacJoe]

13. Yes, you are right, when

they are engaging in an act that specifically requires citizenship.

[Spoonman]

7. I my most thick German accent:

Show us your papers!

Let's analyze your train of thought.

You need to show your ID to engage in a public act.......... but not to vote?

[sarisataka]

9. Question

if a young looking person is walking down the street with a 6-pack of PBR, can the police ask for ID?

[PavePusher]

11. Since there is no requirement to carry a gov. issued ID....

in any state, they can not demand that you produce one. They can require that you identify yourself verbally, and they can then check that, as I understand it.

[sarisataka]

12. Makes sense

thanks

[Oneka]

14. In MN, it is a requirement,

Only if you are currently carrying. The state added this provision into their pistol carry law. It is the only place in any MN statute that specifically requires that you carry identification. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=624.714

[permatex]

15. Yep

and that stems from a rancher in No. NV. who refused to identify himself on his own property. Went all the way to the SCOTUS.

[mvccd1000]

5. I updated the original thread with this info, too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=50078

I picked different quotes, though.

[ileus]

6. Another victory for progressives and the 99%.

In the face of the police state this young man stood his ground for what's right.

[bongbong]

84. Who's that?

The "progressive" arm of the teabaggers?



(and don't give me that PROVE IT crap. Anybody who thinks these aren't a bunch of repig teabagging sheep is too clueless to live)

[Hoyt]

16. Geat, every stupid teen - with gun loving dad - looking for attention will feel so inclined as well.

[permatex]

17. Sure they will

He was legal, the jury agreed with him and pretty much slapped the cops down. Maybe the cops should learn the law their sworn to up hold. Or are you still doing this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=471849#471995

[Hoyt]

18. Here's hoping -- and betting -- next right wing gun carrying goof doing same will be stopped.

Police will not allow stupid, selfish, poorly raised teens to walk down the street with a rifle.

Look at the photos of that kid and the folks who congratulate him -- big group of Tbaggers.










Fine looking group of right wing gun Tbaggers.

[PavePusher]

19. You can tell political affiliation from those pictures? Really?

I think you're making shit up... again.

Why is this tolerated here in "Gun Control & RKBA (Group)" but not elsewhere on D.U.?

[Hoyt]

22. I don't know for sure, but I think there is a big overlap in bigotry and needing to display and/or

abuse guns. I'm not saying everyone, but the majority of gun owners are right wingers, as are the big lobbying groups backing primarily right wing legislators and causes.

It's not difficult when taken in context - context is important - to guess the Tbag types. It would be good even if I only tested at 70% correct identification, and I can do better than that.

[beevul]

27. Ironically, if there were...

Ironically, if there really were a "big overlap in bigotry" - meaning the expression of bigoted statements...


You would be pictured in one of those photos.


Yeah, you.

[Hoyt]

29. I proudly admit I'm bigoted against most who carry and promote guns.

[4th law of robotics]

67. You condemn others as bigots by making assumptions about them based on their appearance.

Awesome.

You are just a treasure-trove of crazy.

[Hoyt]

69. When group has "assault" weapons hanging, miltia shirts, march with nothing but white crazies,

look marginally educated, march because police stopped you for strutting down public streets with a rifle, etc., it's not hard to identify the group as a bunch Tbaggers. You'll be right 95% of time. The other 5%, the yahoos will be worse then Tbaggers.

[4th law of robotics]

71. You can tell they're crazy by looking at them?

My god think of how many lives you could save with this magical skill.

Why are you wasting your talents here when you should be hanging out in public places informing the police on which citizens are secretly violent nutjobs.

[Hoyt]

75. Looks pretty obvious to me. They look like every gun toting bigoted right winger I grew up with.

[4th law of robotics]

77. Bigotry makes a lot of things obvious

Who are criminals: those people, obviously.

Who are decent virtuous folks: me and people like me, obviously.

Who are lazy degenerate . . .

/obvious but not accurate. Although granted it is a much simpler life.

[permatex]

20. So whats your point?

What are they doing thats illegal?
Your advocating the violation of civil rights is so typical you, shouldn't you be somewhere else?

[gejohnston]

21. they all look too young to be teabaggers

the top two pics, they look too nerdy and smart too.

[Hoyt]

23. You need to listen to some Young Republicans.

And, plenty of young folks follow their role models -- dad, friends (whose dads and coaches influence them), TV shows (where stars either use guns, get shot by guns, attempt to medically attend to gun shot victims, arrest or prosecute shooters, defend shooters, and a bunch of other crazy stuff), etc.

[permatex]

24. You just know everything about everything don't you?

There is nothing wrong or illegal with those people in those pics. If there was, the law would have come down on them.

[Hoyt]

25. There's legal; then there's moral, ethical, right, etc.

[permatex]

26. So tell me again why we should care what YOU think

is moral, ethical, right?
Do you think it's moral, ethical, right to post lies about other DU'ers? Do you think it's moral, ethical, right to misrepresent what other DU'ers say?
Yeah, your a real good one to judge what's moral, ethical, and right.

[sarisataka]

28. The end justifies the means

don't cha know

[Spoonman]

30. The only thing I can tell by those pictures

about any of their "upbringing", is the blond in the last photo was raised on a healthy diet of corn!

[Hoyt]

31. Now, I agree with that. However, the militia tshirts, monochrome color, imbred look, and "assault"

weapons are a dead give-away to anyone who wants to be the least bit objective. These are Tbag gun nuts, and very likely bigots.

[CokeMachine]

33. What's an "imbred look" look like?

I believe you are "the least bit objective"

[Spoonman]

34. You got problems,

if you can't tell the difference between a "tbag" and what's in that picture!

[Hoyt]

35. No you have problems if you won't admit what's in those photos.

[Spoonman]

36. What's the difference between your "photo" assertions

and someone else asserting that a photo of a group of blacks standing in line is "a group of blacks waiting on food stamps"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

Bigotry is the state of mind of a "bigot", a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one who exhibits intolerance or animosity toward members of a group. Bigotry may be based on real or perceived characteristics,..........

"militia tshirts, monochrome color, imbred look"


Seems to me you harbor a great deal of bigotry yourself.

Without a link or any other information, as far as I know those people could be "Democrats for open carry", or a "Pink Pistols" rally.

You want me to become just a biggoted.

[Hoyt]

39. I have admitted my bigotry toward gun nuts like this. I hope to remain that way till death.

I'll bet everyone of those gun nuts in the photos accept/believe your little story about "food stamps." I bet most of them are Limbaugh, Boortz, etc., devotees too.

[Spoonman]

41. I get it, bigotry is OK, so long as YOU feel it's JUSTIFIED bigotry

good luck with that, I was raised a little different.

[Hoyt]

43. You're not bigoted against say Nazis, or KKK members?

You can call it what you want, but "bigotry" is OK when pointed in the correct direction. It's not so good as practiced by right wing Tbaggers.

[permatex]

44. Knock it off Hoyt

Where did he say he wasn't? Just because it isn't said doesn't mean we support them. Here's what I support, I support the constutition and the BoR for all people whether I agree with their politics, views or not.
It is painfully obvious you do not.

[sarisataka]

45. I would not say I am bigoted

against either group. I consider them ill-informed racist dumb-asses who embarrass themselves every time they open their mouths.

But I will also acknowledge and support their right to open their mouths and embarrass themselves.

I do not believe they should be persecuted more than any other group, until they break the law. If they do break the law I believe they should receive due process and if convicted, their views may be considered in passing sentence.

I believe all bigotry is bad because I also believe the end does not justify the means.

[Hoyt]

46. Call it whatever you want. I'm bigoted against those groups because they're immoral.

[sarisataka]

47. Do you believe that...

because they are immoral they do not deserve civil rights?

[permatex]

96. Why of course he does

as evidenced by bigoted post after bigoted post.

[sarisataka]

103. So true

I noticed the non-answer. Always ready to leap to the defense of a violent criminal however...

[PavePusher]

37. "militia tshirts"? Where? I see a few t-shirts, none with visible slogans.

"monochrome color"? Oxymoron, much? Oh wait, it's you... sigh. I see at least 6 colors of shirts, and 5 or 7 colors of pants, to say nothing of shoes.... And why is their choice of fashion of any relevence?

"imbred look"? Stereotyping bigotry, much? And again... it's you. What defines this "imbred look" anyway?

"'assault' weapons"? I see nothing that indicates the presence of full-auto military/police/government agent sidearms.

We eagerly anticipate your citations to evidence for any of the above.

Really.

[Hoyt]

38. First you need to turn in your guns, you can't see. "PROOF: First photo, guy on left -- "Militia"

Those are clearly Tbaggin gun nuts -- you just don't want to admit it.

[PavePusher]

40. You are correct, I missed that.

It also has some other writing on it, can't tell what it says, so not possible to be sure of context. Unless you have other information?

As far as the rest of your statement.... you are attempting to extrapolate from zero, which anyone with a sound grounding in mathematics can tell you is, at best, a fool's errand.

[Hoyt]

48. I doubt it says anything like "Militias are wrong." I suspect it's just more proof of what I said.

In this case, I have not extrapolated from zero. We both know what these folks are up to, and guns are central to their beliefs.

[PavePusher]

49. There are a number of bands with the word "Militia" in their name.

Again, feel free to extrapolate without data.

[Hoyt]

50. You could be right - I think it says "ayran nation militia".

That would fit in with the other right wingers in photo.

[petronius]

51. Michigan Militia

http://www.amazon.com/White-Michigan-Militia-T-Shirt-CafePress/dp/B007N1C9AI

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

Jeez, people, why guess or extrapolate when you've got the freakin' interwebs right at your fingertips?

[Hoyt]

52. Truth is, Petronious, it doesn't matter whether it is Michigan Militia, Ayran Nation, KKK, whatever.

They are all a bunch of right wing bigots.

And most importantly it PROVES what I said -- the yahoos backing this poor, pitiful gun exhibitionist are just a bunch of Tbaggers.






Isn't it considered poor taste to link to right wing websites?

[permatex]

53. So point out to us what they are doing thats illegal.

They may be a RW militia, so what, are you saying that they should be taken down by LE and banned? If so, why?
I hate what RWingers stand for and believe in, doesn't mean I want to violated their civil rights. Until they break the law, they have every right to peacefully assemble, carry firearms, spout their racist shit.

It's called their CIVIL RIGHTS Hoyt, now we all know that if you had your way, you would shut down any group you don't agree with, but guess what? You don't get to do that.

[Hoyt]

54. Permatex, bigotry is not a civil right. You really need to do some thinking before posting that crap

here. What they are doing is immoral, and just flat wrong -- it might be Constitutional, but it's wrong. And, so are you.

You need to understand that legal is not always right.

[permatex]

55. Being a bigot is a civil right

It's called the 1st Amendment.
You should heed your own advice.
It doesn't matter what I think, it's what the law of the land is.
It is immoral and wrong, thats where we agree, but it is their right and I will defend their right to believe what they believe in. Thats where you and most of the people here differ, we believe in civil rights for all, not just the ones we agree with.

[Hoyt]

56. I don't have to "accept" that right wing crap.

[permatex]

57. I never once said that you have to "accept" that right wing crap

You don't have to accept anything, but the fact remains that civil rights cover all, not just those we agree with, whether you like it or not.
I don't like their racist shit either, but I do "accept" the fact that they have a fundamental right to spew it and I will always defend their right to spew, unlike you who would try to take away the civil rights of people you disagree with as proven by this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=471849#471995
Those are your words, no mistaking them.

[PavePusher]

62. Then you are rejecting reality. That's not at all a healthy thing to do. n/t.

[PavePusher]

61. That's the dumbest, most self-contradicting statement I've seen so far today....

but it is early still...

[permatex]

63. LOL

I just caught that, he contradicts himself in the same sentence.
I wonder if he realizes his hypocrisy?

[PavePusher]

60. Hoyt wants them shot by government agents. In the face.

And it would be all their own fault simply because they didn't worship at the Church of Hoyt.

But they're the bigots.... ri-i-i-ight.....



Edit: I better be sure to mention that this is merely my own opinion, not a statement of fact, and any resembelence to reality is purely in the bias of the reader.

[Meiko]

66. Ah yes

militia groups, gotta love em'. I say as long as they are not doing anything illegal, leave them alone to exercise their constitutional rights. The only real crime most of the time is the harassment these groups get from law enforcement. Many are under constant surveillance and the government is constantly trying to infiltrate their ranks. Bike gangs are far more dangerous.

[Hoyt]

70. Bike gangs never blew up a government building or shot minorities for fun.

[PavePusher]

73. Holy Fuck-Balls, you've managed to top yourself.

Ho... HOW... do you do that?

[Hoyt]

74. Timmie McVeigh was a paramilitary gun nut. The Arizona militias shoot immigrants for fun.

The fuckers above are just a bunch of right wing yahoos who enjoy intimidating people with their guns.

The Michigan Militias are a bunch of worthless racists.

[PavePusher]

76. "The Arizona militias shoot immigrants for fun."

Is that just like Jan Brewers' decapitated illegals in the desert?

Or is it some other invented shit?

[Hoyt]

78. Is this guy made up, other than fact big bigot gun lover just died?

[PavePusher]

80. You claimed they were "shooting immigrants for fun."

And for the record, I'm not defending them, I'm refuting your lies.

Cite evidence, or recant your lie.

[Hoyt]

81. Why else are they armed like perverts?

[PavePusher]

82. Cite your evidence or recant your lies. n/t

[permatex]

97. C'mon

you know he won't, he posts lies and misrepresentations here all the time and expects us to accept them as the gospel truth.

[Meiko]

92. There is no evidence that

any Arizona militia members has shot immigrants, illegal or not. Quite the contrary. It is well documented that civilian border patrol folks helped the people they encountered, giving them food, water and medical attention. Why don't you stop with the hyperbole and engage in some real conversation. I know you have more to offer than to constantly refer to people as racists and gun nuts, certainly you have some opinions on other issues.

[Meiko]

90. If you are

referring to McVeigh he was not a militia member. He attended a couple of militia meetings and half-heartedly attempted to start a militia group in Arizona, which came to nothing. He never really joined anything. As far as bike gangs go follow the link and do some reading, you might find it interesting.[link:http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/10/24/mongols-indictment-details-motorcycles-gang%E2%80%99s-racism-alleged-crimes/|]

[bongbong]

83. C'mon, DU gun-religionists

If you're in that picture, identify which one of the clowns you are.

[Hoyt]

86. LMAO.

[Meiko]

93. I'll never tell

[Hoyt]

72. Not that racist crap again. At least those guys had reasons to be armed at the time. You should be

ashamed.

[Clames]

89. You can't even define the word "shame".

n/t

[permatex]

98. I can't believe you used the word shame.

Funniest thing you've said today.

[Hoyt]

101. Maybe, you should learn from jury.

[permatex]

102. Whatever are you talking about?

[Tejas]

65. What do you suggest, shoot them?

I don't know the proper way to handle whatever "Tbag gun nuts" are.

[sarisataka]

68. Yes

Several times he has stated his support for extrajudicial execution of RW bigots and their families.
They are 'immoral'. Apparently that means their lives are forfeit to the government

[CokeMachine]

32. Yep

It took me a minute to notice she was carrying a rifle.

[Tejas]

58. Republican agenda - you promote it

when you parrot the Right Wing teachings of VPC, Brady, et al.

[bongbong]

79. I like the blond in front

Got her finger ready to fire, close to the trigger.

Who woulda thought crossing the street in a place safe enough to have a "Cold Stone Creamery" and other upscale stores was so dangerous?

Loonies from the Loonie Bin.

[sarisataka]

85. Her finger is indexed along the receiver

exactly where any knowledgeable person will tell you it should be. Since she does not have a magazine in place she is limited to at most one shot.

I was surprised that no Cold Stone has ever been robbed, but you should update your stats. They are out of date.
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AgCWkEXnTYa3wqk77m4NYv.bvZx4?p=cold+stone+robbery&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701

I would bet cash money that, on that day, that was the safest street in MI

[bongbong]

88. Gun tech

Oh boy oh boy those technical details about those killin' machines are so TOUGH GUY! Wow wow wow!



Yeah, since a Cold Stone Creamery got robbed somewhere, anywhere there is one is a hotbed of violent crime needing lots of guns to keep safe!

[sarisataka]

91. Helps to know what you are talking about

so you don't look the fool. Maybe you think the trigger would have been a good place for her finger?

Did you laugh when your momma said "Don't play with matches" or was that too technical for you?

[permatex]

99. He could know what he's talking about and he'd still look like a fool.

[sarisataka]

104. It is exactly why

pro-controllers cannot understand how ludicrous the AWB was; all those 'technical' issues getting in the way of feel good.

Probably couldn't answer because s/he was busy licking jury wounds and counter alerting several posts up.

[bongbong]

108. Rich

> so you don't look the fool.

Oh, that's rich. A gun-religionist, who worships a death-machine, calling me a fool.

[sarisataka]

110. I don't believe I ever stated my religious preference

but I can assure you my dog tags do not say "Death Machine"

[Meiko]

105. Actually

it looks to me like there is a mag in the well.

[sarisataka]

106. Hard to tell but,

I think you are right.

I must have been distracted

[Meiko]

42. Guns in the streets

I love it...arm everyone I say.

[Tejas]

59. Sarah Brady probably came close to a heart attack.

LOL!

[bongbong]

87. Laughing at a possible heart attack?

Compassionate Conservatism?

[Meiko]

94. I am pretty sure

he was joking, he wasn't hoping she had a heart attack....is that the best you can do?

[4th law of robotics]

95. Gun's cause heart-attacks!

That's a new one.

[bongbong]

109. Defense

> he was joking,

Ah, the Limbaugh "I was only joking!" defense.

[Tejas]

100. I laugh at a RW POS but you have a problem with that.

Whatever.

[permatex]

107. Just for you