Gun Control & RKBA
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http://www.youthtoday.org/view_article.cfm?article_id=5370June 15, 2012 by Yunjiao Amy Li and Eric Ferkenhoff A Texas shooting range is hosting parties for 8-year-olds.
Headlines from Dallas and Chicago over the past few days seem to underscore that the debate over gun rights, following the Trayvon Martin killing, is far from settled.
In Dallas, there was this: A gun range in nearby Lewisville is prepping a program to host childrens parties for those as young as 8 to enjoy cake, ice cream and some shooting. Its a very Texas thing to do, they say, and Eagle Gun Range is just an example of the states proud stance on gun rights.
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Consider that 480 people in Cook County, which covers Chicago, have been charged under a 2009 law designed to target gang members carrying guns. The law, which was pushed by the Cook County States Attorney after a Chicago police officer was slain, adds a serious weapons offense to any other charge the suspect is facing from an incident.
And just this week, Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn signed a new anti-gang law that targets drugs, weapons and other offenses under RICO-like statutes that allow for more sweeping prosecutions and are frequently used in federal court to go after drug cartels and organized crime. The idea was to more easily get at a gangs hierarchy instead of charging low-level drug and weapons dealers who are often the younger members of a gang.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)How else could a teenage girl possible PROTECT HERSELF?
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)card carrying NRA members.
Clames
(2,038 posts)...and how new you are to this group...
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)I've been, unfortunately, living around guns and my NRA life membership husband for 38 years. I don't know anything at all I guess, if I DISAGREE with guns? I am from NYC (him too), I know about gun control, and have lobbied for it there.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Or agree with one, for that matter?
I've never once had a conversation with a gun, much less an argument.
One thing I've noticed about many gun controllers is that they often want to anthropomorphize inanimate objects.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Understand? Too many OBSESSED gun owner. I don't trust them. That includes my husband.
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Why are you married to him?
NewMoonTherian
(883 posts)that you're uninformed on the subject and this group(the DU Gun group) if you think we on the pro-gun side are in favor of children carrying guns. I would go so far as to call that an ignorant notion. But I don't think you really believe it. I think you're engaging in hyperbole because your emotions are overwhelming your rationality on this subject.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Yeah, we know...you post that in nearly every gun thread you post in.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)there was a retired NYPD officer selling guns at the flea market up the road from me. You were around in 1911 and lobbied with Tim Sullivan?
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Husband has been a life long NRA member for over 40 years. If you mean I know little about this subject becuase I am ANTI GUN, I plead guilty as charged. It is no picinic living with a gun toting NRA lover.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)No gun is going to stop that.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I'll take the guns off your hands. The cops are just going to add them to their personal collections or sell them at the flea market. BTW, I hope they are where the grand kids can't get them.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Great place for them!!! They have been up there since we went on vacation a month ago. He was afraid somebody would break in while we were away and steal then. Always afraid of burglars/mugger stealing HIS guns. lol Out of sight, out of mind? Too lazy to go get them to PROTECT HIMSELF? Repeat HIMSELF, not me. Fine. They can stay in the attic.
Great great owner, right? Have a CCW and doesn't carry. Guns at home for protection up in the attic. Actually, I find it very funny.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)does not have to do the three day waiting period Florida has.
Clames
(2,038 posts)...and thought you had a point to make here. Guess what, you didn't quite make it. Try again on August 15th and see if you can do a little better...
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Honestly, they are almost like a coin collection really. They just sit around the house, and he looks at them once in a while. CCW? How when they are in the house, and now in the attic? Think about it. What is the point? Only because he CAN own them.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)good collectors items or antiques or is it just a collection?
Clames
(2,038 posts)I'm sure there is something you collect that he thinks is every bit as useless too.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)and gang activity?
What a stupid, pointless, article.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Is there adult supervision behind him?
Only the Shadow knows... (or maybe Hoyt, but he ain't telling...)
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The gotta wonder about the "adult supervision."
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)That is a display table at an NRA convention. At such tables the guns are always locked by a cable to the table and the gun is locked so that it can't be loaded.
You may resume your unwarranted hysteria now.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Obviously the guns are locked, unloaded, maybe even inoperable.
But, the gun culture is attempting to brainwash young children into the world of guns at a time when we'd best be trying to change perception of guns -- not glamorizing and promoting them.
Glamorizing and promoting? If it weren't for guns, there would be no America. If there were no America, you wouldn't be here on the internet complaining about all these rights people fought and died for. Really, can you give some valid reason why it is wrong to teach kids proper gun handling? Because your opinions are not convincing anyone.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)who want to take "their country back." What a crock.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)There are maybe 30 NRA Talking Points, all lies, that 3 groups:
*) the gun-religionists
*) the sent-by-the-NRA-to-muck-up-Liberal-website gang
*) the random assorted nuts
post endlessly, over-n-over, to produce the "Big Lie" effect. They've been ordered to do this on DU. Sane people have to post the same debunking logic & facts over-n-over.
The Gun Religion is full of super-adherent acolytes, that's for sure!
rl6214
(8,142 posts)And you like to talk about the NRA talking points. Where do you get yours, do you write your own material or get it from the Brady bunch?
> Where do you get yours, do you write your own material or get it from the Brady bunch?
My own observations. I'm one of those "edumacated libruls" that right-wingnuts like to whine about, and use guns to murder (like at that Unitarian church and the other places the right wing has murdered Liberals)
rl6214
(8,142 posts)And you forgot your
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)more akin to home-schooling and creationism?
Or more specifically: abstinence-only sex-ed.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)and then give them no education on how to use them.
That will guarantee that A) they have no interest in guns and B) if they ever do come across one they will know exactly how to handle one.
There. Solved! Just like teen pregnancy: remember kids, sex is evil and mysterious and you should never do it. So we're going to talk about it a lot but not give you any useful information.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Due to the law of "if I hate guns enough I can make non-truths in to truths!"
Funny to hear a progressive arguing for ignorance over education out of fears that people may not make the same decisions he did.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Adding that "and worse" really helps your argument.
What could it be? Why anything. All we know is that it will be dire. Dire indeed!
An educated and rational individual could accept that no studies have been found linking gun prevalence and violence in the US.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)promote peace nowadays.
Sometimes things are clear without the need to study them -- well, unless you are trying to rationalize something like more and more people packing guns in public is good for society.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)it was a well established notion at that time.
They just got the size wrong.
But I suppose that shows you're well rounded in your ignorance.
"Sometimes things are clear without the need to study them"
The motto of every hopeless ideologue and religious fanatic ever.
In science v anti-vaccers you'd be an anti-vaccer.
In science v creationism you'd be a creationist.
In science v homeopathy you'd be the homeopath.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)> An educated and rational individual could accept that no studies have been found linking gun prevalence and violence in the US.
Now you're just lying.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html
Gun religionists lie in the service of a Higher Cause.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)written by purchased shills. He should have clarified.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)I didn't think it needed to be said. But I suppose I shouldn't take anything for granted here.
Like in the Labyrinth.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> written by purchased shills. He should have clarified.
The old "only the evidence that agrees with my point is acceptable" post.
Lovely!
bongbong
(5,436 posts)So sex, which uses body parts that you're already equipped with, is similar to guns, which must use something you come equipped with.
At least the gun religionists think so.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)the question was on ignorance: a certain population wishes to pursue that as a policy, others prefer education.
If you're ever in a position where you must argue in favor of ignorance to support your position you ought to reconsider your position.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> If you're ever in a position where you must argue in favor of ignorance to support your position you ought to reconsider your position.
If you're ever in a position to create a Strawman in favor of guns, SPIN AWAY <- first law of the Gun Religionist
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)"Sometimes things are clear without the need to study them"
permatex
(1,299 posts)I've noticed in my short time here that most of the people in this group just ignore h/her.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)I'll probably just put the hoyt on ignore after a little bit but for now I'm enjoying it.
For another he/she so perfectly illustrates the anti-gun nuts mentality that I can't pass it up.
"I don't need not stinking studies, I just feel guns are bad . . . "
Either it's brilliant satire or hoyt is the most perfect caricature ever.
permatex
(1,299 posts)with their obvious lack of knowledge on firearms but I won't put them on ignore because I love learning just how little they both know.
HALO141
(911 posts)Kind of like listening to an Amish person attack transportation policy and your willingness to take part in it. The key difference, of course, is that the Amish don't go around trying to bully the rest of the world into adopting their philosophy.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)> "Sometimes things are clear without the need to study them"
True of any religion, whether it's gun-religion or something else.
sarisataka
(18,779 posts)CokeMachine
(1,018 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Now go look at the source of that quote and the context it was used in.
/ya dun goofed!
rl6214
(8,142 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)> You know you've lost every arguement when you have to put behind EVERY post
Interesting rule. You'd better tell a lot of other DU-ers about it, since they are "guilty" of it too.
permatex
(1,299 posts)Not only do you bond with your children, have a fun day at the range or out in the desert, but it also teaches the kids that a gun is not a toy and they can see the damage it can do.
Again, how we teach our kids is none of your business.
exercising his curiosity. He would be doing the same thing if it were a toy in front of him. It is an example of why teaching kids gun safety is so important.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)"An 8-year-old checks out Walther pistols at an annual meeting of the National Rifle Association in St. Louis. ( SCOTT OLSON/Getty Images)"
I sure hope you are more perceptive when carrying a gun into public places.
permatex
(1,299 posts)is none of your business. All of mine were familiar with safe weapons handling by the age of 7 and were all shooting by the age of 8.
None of them became cowboys, yahoos, or whatever else you like to call those that choose to CC.
All of my kids also now have CCP's and I just last week applied for mine.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 11, 2012, 12:17 PM - Edit history (1)
HALO141
(911 posts)Not a damned thing!
permatex
(1,299 posts)I'll wager to say that if you ever approached any of my kids and treated them like you've alledgedly treated other concealed carriers, you would probably be picking yourself up off the ground.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)My point is don't be a dick towards people and you won't have a thing to worry about.
My motto is live and let live.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)thing off other people.
permatex
(1,299 posts)BTW, do you have any idea what permatex means? I'll give you a hint, it ain't because I live in TX., which I don't.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)
to someone who criticizes them for gun toting in peaceful city streets.
permatex
(1,299 posts)If you don't want a confrontation, don't confront people doing perfectly legal activities. Pretty simple.
I went into the archives and found some gems from you, like, CCP holders should be held until police arrived to "check their papers". You have any idea what that smacks of? Nazi Germany. Or, another gem from you, chase them down the street to embarrass them.
Too fucking funny.
Did you ever figure out what permatex means?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)massacre.
Actually, I think walking around with a gun in public smacks of "Nazis" and the Klan.
I have no idea what Permatex means to you. My favorite comment about Permatex products is that "the glue sucks balls." YMMV though.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)you lose. Painting with a broad brush is so.......................................Rush (not the band)
lawful CCW holders are Nazi's and KKK members? Is there no end to your foolishness.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Same mindset...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Fine examples of what many of you would call "law-abiding" gun owners.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)second pic, guy in the middle: his pants looks Canadian more than USMC.
bottom pic: guy on right, his beret is the same shade of green as the French Foreign Legion's. The guy in the middle, same pic, his shirt looks very British.
Who are these clowns?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)You can read more about this fine example at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._T._Ready
"Ready was politically active in anti-immigration causes. He served as president of the Mesa Community College Republican Party Club and as a precinct committeeman for the Maricopa County Republicans. Ready unsuccessfully campaigned for a seat in the Arizona House of Representatives in 2004 and for a seat on the city council for Mesa, Arizona in 2006.[14] He put forth as his motto that "The Purity of the Aryan Race is the most precious resource Nature has to offer All of Humankind."[2] Ready founded a private organization called the U.S. Border Guard in June 2010, which aimed to curtail illegal immigration by conducting armed patrols along the Arizona-Mexico border.[17] He attended and spoke at Tea Party movement events[18] and brought his Border Guard organization to an Occupy Phoenix rally.[19] . . . . . ."
He has probably been considered for a board seat at the NRA.
In any event, these are just a glimpse at the type of people who think guns are cool and a the perfect "tool" for whatever despicable feelings they have toward fellow human beings.
How many of you have guns like these nice guys?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)he was a convicted felon that got a BCD from the USMC. He was violating the GCA by having any kind of firearm. Plus, was another fucking Sun City colonist (like California native Jan Brewer and New Jersey native "sheriff" Joe) who moved to the southwest to make it in their image, fucking up race relations in the processes. The difference between a transplant and a colonist is their attitude. When someone moved to Arizona saw a lot of brown people (who's family was there first mostly) including their mayor or governor, they adapted and dealt with it. The colonists freaked and tried to turn it in to racist Dearborn and Long Island.
There is a difference between transplant and colonist. Spin and I are transplants to Florida. The people in gated communities that came for the weather and don't give a shit about the history, culture, or the environment of the place are the colonists.
The reason I say was, is that he is dead.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)As I've said before, bigotry and guns go together.
I still wonder how many gun lovers have guns like his, and like to take similar photos?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Arabs and Muslims, and Pat Robertson is an example of Christians. That is your logic. You are projecting bigotry on others without dealing with the bigot in the mirror.
So, is it flamebait or satire? I really want to know.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)And most either don't care, or actually support pigs like Ready (notice his Republican affiliations).
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)rl6214
(8,142 posts)Among other things I'm sure
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)the largest group of toters -- right wingers.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)What is your point?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Methinks your mouth writes a lot of checks your ass has never cashed...
rl6214
(8,142 posts)> Oh that's nice. Rather than threatening me directly, you use your kids. LMAO
Violence, thinking about violence, and imagining revenge-filled bloody scenarios is what keeps the gun-religion strong & healthy!
permatex
(1,299 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)You keep making the same spelling errors. Funny stuff! When you can master 2nd grade spelling, perhaps you'll understand politics better (letting go of the "I NEED TO BE ARMED TO WALK IN PUBLIC!" fear would help too)
permatex
(1,299 posts)if you anti's will make fools of yourselves rather than be serious. Guess what? You took the bait. Joke's on you bub.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Yes, I'm SURE that was your Master Plan all along, Mr. Super Sly Guy!
permatex
(1,299 posts)bug me in the least? I've gotten worse from far better. Have a good night.
> bug me in the least? I've gotten worse from far better. Have a good night.
Do you honestly think I care in the slightest? You gun-religionists provide lots of comedy for me. Secondly, I am researching how religion screws up one's head, and how a religion can actually destroy the ability to reason & use logic.
You have a good night too. Thanks for the data!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)folks.
HALO141
(911 posts)permatex
(1,299 posts)And the insults from the uninformed keep flowing like shit from a goose.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)rl6214
(8,142 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Where are those pearls? They are in a desperate need of clutching!
ileus
(15,396 posts)Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)I will raise my kids just so.
And that looks like a gun show. They don't let kids in without an adult.
Whiskey_Dude
(8 posts)I looked pretty good too, but I'm still trying to figure out what the problem is with a kid checking out guns at a gun show.
Hangingon
(3,071 posts)a Chicago gang banger!! Do you not see the ndifferernce between a child shooting at a safe range under adult supervision and an underage gangbang/drug dealer runiining around at 2:00 am shooting up Cabrini Green? Unbelievable
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)When can we adopt the DKos rule: "Don't be a dick."
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)the anti-gun posters can pretty much say or imply anything they want about us, when in other areas of DU they would be tomb stoned for their behavior.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Now I see why gun-religioinists think they need to carry weapons around all the time.
"I'm a VICTIM!!!"
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 16, 2012, 09:12 AM - Edit history (1)
...a "happy" birthday ever? Why are you all about doom?
Doesn't anything make you happy?
Whiskey_Dude
(8 posts)Really. I once was given a shooting range birthday party. Only it wasn't at an actual range, it was in my grandfather's backyard (he lived in a VERY rural area, on 200 acres of land on top of a mountain in East Tenn). I loved every minute of it. Actually it was one of the happiest childhood memories I have.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)and BTW... Welcome!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)How's your day?
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> ...a "happy" birthday ever? Why are you all about doom?
"I gotta carry a gun around, or lotsa guns, because something BAD might happen!!!"
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...ignorance...
Well from this little smilie fest I've about read my portion for the day.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)It isn't advisable to load your posts up with such unintentional irony, mainly because of your screenname.
Of course, since it IS unintentional (gun-religionists "argue" from the heart, not from the head), it makes me laugh.
Don't worry, an awful lot of posts from gun-religionists are filled to bursting with hilarious (and of course unintentional) irony.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)If Loughter's parents couldn't be bothered to notice his mental health problems to get him help as an adult, I'm willing to bet his childhood kind of sucked too.
Zimmerman is still awaiting trial, not to be confused with the electronic lynching.
Who the fuck is Stawicki?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Why don't you look up "Stawicki." Ian was another law-abiding gun nut with all the permits. He like -- Zimmerman -- would have been considered a fine example of a gun carrier right up until he killed innocent people. Kind of hard overlooking his killing 5 folks, but you guys have managed to conveniently forget.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I'll still wait for the real jury. You can accept the electronic lynching at face value if you want.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but if they present a genuine threat, that is not "judgement" of a crime against the state. That is ensuring my own safety.
So you'll never be a Zimmerman or some other murderous gun nut, is that it?
It's the OTHER guy who will misuse his gun, NOT YOU. You're a SPECIAL gun religionist.
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It's HILARIOUS reading the clueless posts from gun-nuts!
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)As for Zimmerman, I'll wait for the real trial. You know, the one where real facts come out.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> Since I don't carry, the answer is obvious
So that means you'll never use your gun, huh? You'll NEVER have it anywhere where you could murder somebody, even by yourself?
So why do you need a gun since, by your own post, you never use it?
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I said carry. Never said anything about taking it to the range. Big difference.
Logic, try it sometime.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> said carry. Never said anything about taking it to the range. Big difference.
Oh, so at the range everybody wears Star Trek type shields or something so they can't get killed by your gun?
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Meiko
(1,076 posts)Even you should be able to see the difference.
HALO141
(911 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)I received my first firearm, a Ruger 10/22 rifle, for Christmas at about the age of 10.
Countless youths participate in shooting sports. Like any sport, it teaches sportsmanship, discipline, respect, self-control, and safety.
My daughter just attended a birthday party held at her friend's karate studio. Does her friend also have a screwed up life?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Also hard to forget the law-abiding gun owners like Zimmerman, Stawicki, Loughner, etc.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)But I'm sure you knew that.
I'm talking about all the good, wholesome things that come from shooting sports.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Again, learning shooting sports is like learning any other martial sport, like archery, karate, or javelin throwing.
You learn teamwork, discipline, self-control, respect, safety, and sportsmanship.
What is unwholesome about this?
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> You learn teamwork
What, is synchronized shooting a sport now?
Teamwork. Every group endeavor requires a certain amount of teamwork, why do you act like you don't know about such a simple concept. Don't act foolish, it's beneath you.
sylvi
(813 posts)No, it ain't, and that ain't no act.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)>What, is synchronized shooting a sport now?
Here is one competitive shooting venue that has teams.
The Olympics are another.
Whiskey_Dude
(8 posts)George Zimmerman has not been proven guilty of killing an "innocent" person. He claims he shot a kid who was bashing his head into concrete. Whether or not that is true, STILL remains to be seen, but if it is true, I'd hardly call Trayvon Martin "innocent". Of course, I am thinking in terms of "innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt". If you want the country to start convicting people on what they "think" happened, well this country is in for some sad days in the future, when the tables are turned and black kids are going to prison for life because someone "thinks" they stomped a white man half to death while screaming "Justice for Trayvon".
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)gun. Without it, he would have sat in his car like the coward he is.
That's enough for me. Since I won't be on his jury, I have no problem reaching that conclusion.
I suppose you support Randy Weaver too?
permatex
(1,299 posts)My kids used to go out in the desert around Phoenix and shoot all of my firearms w/parental supervision and they turned out just fine. It sounds like your the one with the screwed up life.
You know, it is reallly sad that you use the name of a man who claims to have acted in self defense, from his skull being banged into the concrete, to site how "bad guns are". When the man's claim of self defense has STILL not yet been disproven in a court of law, beyond a reasonable doubt.
I wonder what age those "Chicago gang bangers" has their birthday party at the range? Probably never.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)As to Zimmerman, screw him. He shot unarmed teenager. He may be a hero to Tbaggers, but not me.
HALO141
(911 posts)TPaine7
(4,286 posts)I see no incompatibility whatsoever between...
and a
The pathetic thing is that a serious weapons offense for gang members had to be added in Chicago of all places:
Perhaps if they had moved past the "stern lecture" stage earlier, lives might have been saved. What morons!
But what is inherently incompatible between these approaches? Both sound great to me: young children being taught to respect and understand guns and to use them for legitimate purposes on the one hand and cracking down on gangsters carrying guns on the other hand.
As long as the instructors are competent and the gangsters are legitimately disqualified from carrying arms, I see no problem.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)that alone is enough to send some people in to apoplexy.
-..__...
(7,776 posts)Shitcago... too little to late.
The police, prosecutors and judges should have been bringing down the wrath of God on the heads of these swaggering, unremorseful shit-stains ages ago.
But nahhh... that was never a viable or politically correct option; let's infringe on the rights of honest, law abiding citizens instead... maybe that will solve the problem.
Yeah... right.
DWC
(911 posts)I never allowed my children any toy weapons - including knives.
They were learning to not touch guns at the same time they were learning to not touch a hot stove.
As each showed sufficient maturity (between 6 and 8 years old) their education in the safe handling and use of firearms and other potentially dangerous tools like the hot stove began.
The process is one aspect of the adult function called parenting.
Semper Fi,
BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)it may have been "...designed to target gang members carrying guns.", but I'll bet average folks just wanting to try and be safe in their home got caught up in this, too.
Chicago has a gang problem, and the sooner DINO Rahm pulls his head out of his ass and stops trying to bust the teacher's union and addresses said problem, the better.
Whiskey_Dude
(8 posts)I think one of the most ironic examples of anti gun hypocrisy is when the same people who complain about kids dying from accidental shootings, protest when people make an effort to TEACH kids about guns, that they are not toys, and how to use them properly. I don't know about you guys, but my grandfather (A Green Beret and Korean War Vet), taught me to shoot guns (9mm, 45's, 12 guages, AR-15's and a host of others) at the tender age of 10 years old.
The only thing I can say about that, is that I am forever grateful, because that teaching has kept me safe when around guns (which is inevitable if you live on planet earth) for the remainder of my life. Now, I personally shoot often, I enjoy every minute of it, it is a great hobby/sport, but more importantly, my sense of safety and security is much greater knowing I have the right to keep and bear arms.
Also, as one mentioned in this post, about the "debate over gun rights". There is no debate, it's written into the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Amendment 2. Nothing anyone says or does in this country can change that. So instead of passing more gun laws (that obviously accomplish nothing, if anything, are either a direct or indirect contributor to INCREASE gun violence), how about we admit that maybe the Brady Bunch is not right about everything, and try a different approach. That approach would be instead of trying to shield our children from something they will undoubtedly be faced with in American society (no matter what ridiculous "gun control" laws are passed), how about we educate them? Is that not even worth a try?
If you say that is not even worth trying, you can't honestly say you are looking at this situation objectively, because the pro gun side has given the anti gun side their turn to try and prove that tougher gun laws will reduce gun violence, and it has failed miserably. As I and many others knew it would.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> kept me safe when around guns (which is inevitable if you live on planet earth)
Funny, my parents both lived on Earth to a ripe old age, never had a need for guns, never were threatened with guns, and never learned about them either. I'm sure my experience is shared by millions, if not billions, of other people.
Funny gun religionist!