Why indifference to gun violence is a national crime
A good article about why the right has been winning the battle over gun violence, and what can be done about it.
Although living in a society free from gun violence may be a collective desire, those who support this principle commonly hold that goal among a larger constellation of beliefs. Supporters of gun control tend to be broad-based progressives who also support education reform, reproductive choice, marriage equality and other issues. In a country with low voter turnout, the ability to form single-issue voting blocs is a powerful political tool. The NRA has succeeded in doing this; the gun-control movement has not.
The decline in enthusiasm among gun-control supporters corresponds to the dramatic decrease in crime in this country. In November, 1 percent of respondents told Gallup that crime was the most important issue facing the nation, in contrast to 52 percent saying the same in 1994.
The issue is not just that the NRA has created power but also that supporters of gun control have waned. Many things can be done to take that control back, but three are critical:
First, Americans must shed the notion that the battle against violent crime has been won. More Americans were killed by gun violence last year than all American troops who have been killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. African American youths are five times as likely to be killed as a result of gun violence than their white counterparts.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-indifference-to-gun-violence-is-a-national-crime/2012/05/31/gJQAihRP5U_story.html
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Gun religionists lie 24x7 to support their poor widdle defenseless objects-of-worship.
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"The idea that gun control advocates just want to control people, and disarm the masses to impose some kind of tyranny, is a common fantasy among pro-gunners."
Thats quite a strrung together dogs breakfast you have there.
Of course, if we eliminate the strawman out of it, were left with just "control people, and disarm the masses".
Thats where my little list comes in:
"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea . . . . Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation." Charles Krauthammer
We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . . we'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . . The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal.
Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control, Inc. which is now the brady campaign
"Brady Bill is "the minimum step" that Congress should take to control handguns. "We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases,"
Rep. William L. Clay D-St. Louis, Mo
I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step."
Stockton, California Mayor Barbara Fass
"I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs). . . . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!"
Sen. John H. Chafee R.-R.I., In View of Handguns' Effects, There's Only One Answer: A Ban, Minneapolis Star Tribune, June 15, 1992
""My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don't have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that's the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation."
Bobby Rush; Democrat, U.S. House of Representatives, Chicago Tribune, Dec. 5, 1999
"Mr. Speaker, my bill prohibits the importation, exportation, manufacture, sale, purchase, transfer, receipt, possession, or transportation of handguns and handgun ammunition. It establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of handguns. It provides many exceptions for gun clubs, hunting clubs, gun collectors, and other people of that kind."
Rep. Major Owens (D-Brooklyn, N.Y.), 139 Cong. Rec. H9088 at H9094, Nov. 10, 1993
"I would like to dispute that. Truthfully. I know it's an amendment. I know it's in the Constitution. But you know what? Enough! I would like to say, I think there should be a law -- and I know this is extreme -- that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police should have guns."
Rosie Takes on the NRA, Ottawa Sun, April 29, 1999
"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls -- such as expanding background checks at gun shows and stopping the import of high-capacity magazines -- and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act introduced by Senator Robert Torricelli, Democrat of New Jersey, and Representative Patrick Kennedy, Democrat of Rhode Island. Their measure would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."
Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center, Dispense With the Half Steps and Ban Killing Machines, Houston Chronicle, Nov. 5, 1999
"We will never fully solve our nation's horrific problem of gun violence unless we ban the manufacture and sale of handguns and semiautomatic assault weapons."
Jeff Muchnick, Legislative Director, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, Better Yet, Ban All Handguns, USA Today, Dec. 29, 1993
"The goal of CSGV is the orderly elimination of the private sale of handguns and assault weapons in the United States."
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, http://www.csgv.org/content/coalition/coal_intro.html (visited June 20, 2000) (boldface added) ("The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence is composed of 44 civic, professional and religious organizations and 120,000 individual members that advocate for a ban on the sale and possession of handguns and assault weapons."
"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993
"We're bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns." Rahm Emmanuel
"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!" Charles Schumer
"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe." Diane Feinstein
"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns." Howard Metzenbaum
"I am one who believes that as a first step the U.S. should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols and revolvers ...no one should have a right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun." Dean Morris
"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state." Michael Dukakis
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them...'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it." Diane Feinstein
"No, we're not looking at how to control criminals ... we're talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns." --U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum
"What good does it do to ban some guns? All guns should be banned." U.S. Senator Howard Metzanbaum, Democrat from Ohio
"Until we can ban all of them , then we might as well ban none." U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum, Senate Hearings 1993
"I'm not interested in getting a bill that deals with airport security... all I want to do is get at plastic guns." -U.S. Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1993
("plastic" undetectable guns do not exist, by the way)
"Nobody should be owning a gun which does not have a sporting purpose." Janet Reno
"We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose." Major Owens
"If it were up to me we'd ban them all." Mel Reynolds CNN's Crossfire, December 9, 1993
Now back to your quote:
"The idea that gun control advocates just want to control people, and disarm the masses to impose some kind of tyranny, is a common fantasy among pro-gunners."
The pretense that gun control advocates DON'T want to disarm the masses, is dishonest, disingenuous, and outright false.
And its the disarming of the masses, for whatever reason, that people who are familiar with this issue KNOW that there are groups and individuals in favor of.
Earlier upthread you said "The more general point, though, is the indifference that now three of you have shown to the use of phony quotations.
The more general point of THIS post, is the general indifference YOU and people like you in this forum and elsewhere show to those who have loudly and publicly admitted to wanting to "disarm the masses".
Most gun control types wont admit it, but on occasion they do, and are met with silence, by folks like you.
I'd wager that you'd take the side of their disarmament of the masses, over we pro-gunners opposing it.
Tell me I'm wrong.
We the "reality-based community" would be happy to have you join us.
Let the pre-criminal exclusionary policies begin! Those with a criminal nature into the camps, life sentences for all! 
Where are you getting that number? This would mean that over the course of a lifetime, your average gun owner is more likely than unlikely to be "involved in firearm-related crimes."
Who is paying for these packed prisons? My state has overcrowding and is releasing convicts early?
3% of all firearm owners annually means that a substantial majority of firearm owners will be involved in at least one during their lifetime unless it's the same 3% over and over which is not likely.
unless it's the same 3% over and over which is not likely.
...almost.
It is the same 3%. The same ones that make use of the revolving doors at the front of our prisons. The same ones that are incarcerated for the same crimes over and over again. Since the absolute vast majority of firearms owners are NOT involved in ANY crime over the course of their lifetime then it should be an easy answer.
Also, it's obvious that math was not even close to a strong suit of yours in college...
...to go to a gun show and buy a .50 cal scoped rifle without so much as a simple background check. 
Texas CHL.
Which makes it attractive to organized crime and terrorists...
California banned them and the military uses them for a reason
You should probably concede the point, they are being used just across the border
Except you are wrong about the sources. As per usual.
What you see there is basically a "custom" built .50 bmg rifle captured during a raid of a Mexican drug ring. Built with mostly aftermarket parts on a chunk of wood hewn into the rough semblance of a stock. Much more typical of what is confiscated as it only costs a few hundred dollars as opposed to thousands of dollars to build. Of course you are already familiar with the picture of a platoon of Mexican Army regulars each holding a .50 BMG rifle. Guess you'll never concede the point that corruption has funneled the majority of the military-grade rifles to the better connected drug gangs.
