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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu May 24, 2012, 10:51 AM May 2012

Why it is difficult to control the ‘cowboys’

Al Araf and Anton Aliabbas, Jakarta

The media coverage of an Army officer who brandished his gun in a street quarrel with a motorcycle rider recently raised concerns about the inappropriate use of arms.

The circulation of small arms has clearly reached a point that puts development sustainability and security in many countries in the world at risk.

The uncontrolled circulation of arms has contributed much to the mounting tension, terrorism or any other security threats to a country, such as what has happened in Darfur, Sudan and Rwanda.

The United States Department of Public Information defines “small arms” as specially designed weaponries for personal use, such as revolvers, automatic guns, rifles and light machine guns.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/05/22/why-it-difficult-control-cowboys.html

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Why it is difficult to control the ‘cowboys’ (Original Post) SecularMotion May 2012 OP
Who are the "cowboys" ? zzaapp May 2012 #1
Troy and Emmit ileus May 2012 #2
'Skins rule n/t Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #3
Go John & Joe... ileus May 2012 #6
Go Pack Go! rl6214 May 2012 #7
Stick around and it will become apparent. Starboard Tack May 2012 #11
Thanks ST...that cleared it up nicely.lol zzaapp May 2012 #17
You can only use rubber bullets for self defense in Indonesia? spin May 2012 #14
Those knives are badass...rubber bullets *rolls eyes* zzaapp May 2012 #16
Because... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #4
Unless it is self control. Starboard Tack May 2012 #19
CHEERS! discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #20
Indonesia: land of caning, life sentences for minor drug possession, and gun control. DanM May 2012 #5
And what does this story have to do with OUR RKBA? rl6214 May 2012 #8
Nothing . . . yet. DanM May 2012 #10
You've sure got that right! Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #12
That thing has a remarkably long barrel Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #13
It could have been modeled after the Colt Buntline Special SkatmanRoth May 2012 #21
Should have noted that this statue resides in the plaza Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #22
"Consider articles like this as reminders to maintain constant vigilance against the anti-gunners. " rl6214 May 2012 #23
Make sure you pinch your fingernail beds... Clames May 2012 #9
Basically a great big why the UN needs to control guns globally artical. ileus May 2012 #15
agents of the state gejohnston May 2012 #18

spin

(17,493 posts)
14. You can only use rubber bullets for self defense in Indonesia?
Thu May 24, 2012, 02:22 PM
May 2012

From the link in the OP:


However, fundamental changes have happened after concerns were raised about the increasing security threat posed by firearms in Indonesia in 2010. Citizen aged 18–65 can possess weapons for the reason of recreation instead for self-defense and protection.

Only rubber bullets and gas firearms are permitted for self-defense, with the requirements of the submission procedure similar to permitting ownership of firearms ammunition.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2012/05/22/why-it-difficult-control-cowboys.html


I hear the bad guys like to use machetes over there. Such weapons are called goloks

Golok

The golok is a type of machete or broadsword originating in Southeast Asia. The word golok (sometimes misspelled as "gollock&quot is of Indonesian origin[citation needed] but is also used in Malaysia and is known as gulok in the Philippines. In Malaysia it is usually interchangeable with parang.

The Golok style is noted for being the pattern for British Army-issue machetes used since the early 1950s.

Sizes and weights vary, as does blade shape. Golok tend to be heavier and shorter than machetes, often being used for bush and branch cutting. Having either a primary grind or an edgewise taper, the golok is less likely to jam in green wood than the flat-sided machete.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golok


I owned a Golok style British Army machete. I could easily chop through a one inch diameter sapling or branch with one swipe. I wouldn't want to go up against an attacker armed with such a weapon with only rubber bullets in my handgun. If fact I wouldn't want to try to stop such an attacker with my 12 gauge coach gun loaded with double-aught buck.

edited for typo




 

DanM

(341 posts)
5. Indonesia: land of caning, life sentences for minor drug possession, and gun control.
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:31 PM
May 2012

No thanks, I think I like it better here in the US.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
10. Nothing . . . yet.
Thu May 24, 2012, 02:04 PM
May 2012

Consider articles like this as reminders to maintain constant vigilance against the anti-gunners.

Also, if you notice, the complete article made reference to UN anti-gun rights efforts, which should be of direct concern to you today.

Simo 1939_1940

(768 posts)
22. Should have noted that this statue resides in the plaza
Thu May 24, 2012, 09:00 PM
May 2012

of the U.N. headquarters in N.Y.C. for those who may have been unaware.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
23. "Consider articles like this as reminders to maintain constant vigilance against the anti-gunners. "
Thu May 24, 2012, 09:14 PM
May 2012

You are completely right there.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
9. Make sure you pinch your fingernail beds...
Thu May 24, 2012, 01:24 PM
May 2012

...OP. That level of hand wringing certainly has to restrict blood circulation at some point.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
18. agents of the state
Thu May 24, 2012, 05:30 PM
May 2012

Last edited Thu May 24, 2012, 07:50 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm guessing this was his military issue weapon, which has what to do with us? It is pretty safe to assume that the writer is totally clueless or dishonest about Sudan and Rwanda. The article points out abuses by state functionaries and oppressive regimes, yet complains that private ownership is the problem? Not to go Goodwin, but in another time, the writer would be bitching about STENS made in bicycle shops.

The uncontrolled circulation of arms has contributed much to the mounting tension, terrorism or any other security threats to a country, such as what has happened in Darfur, Sudan and Rwanda.

security threats and terrorism by state actors.
Darfur is in Sudan.
One side of the conflict was composed mainly of the official Sudanese military and police, and the Janjaweed, a Sudanese militia group recruited mostly from the Arabized indigenous Africans and few Arab Bedouin of the northern Rizeigat; the majority of other Arab groups in Darfur remain uninvolved in the conflict.[15] The other combatants are made up of rebel groups, notably the SLM/A and the JEM, recruited primarily from the non-Arab Muslim Fur, Zaghawa, and Masalit ethnic groups. Although the Sudanese government publicly denies that it supports the Janjaweed, it has been providing financial assistance and weapons to the militia and has been organizing joint attacks targeting civilians.

Is this writer saying that Furs, Zaghawas, and Masalits should not be able to defend themselves against the government (the ones the article thinks should be regulating the guns) and The government's Janjaweed thugs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur

Stupid and full of shit does not even begin to describe this scribbling. No wonder the paper disabled comments.
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