Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumMany states...
...will suspend or refuse to issue a CCW permit after a DWI/DUI conviction, sometimes a second conviction (which I personally agree with). Many states will restore or grant a new CCW after a number years with no further infractions following compliance with all court ordered terms.
What should the term be?
Why?
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The court decides along with imposing sentence at your conviction. | |
0 (0%) |
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Immediately after completing your court ordered terms. | |
3 (60%) |
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Less than 3 years after completing your court ordered terms. | |
1 (20%) |
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3 to 5 years after completing your court ordered terms. | |
1 (20%) |
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5 to 10 years after completing your court ordered terms. | |
0 (0%) |
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More than 10 years after completing your court ordered terms. | |
0 (0%) |
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Never. With option to appeal for a restoration. | |
0 (0%) |
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Never. No option to appeal. | |
0 (0%) |
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1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided. | |
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gejohnston
(17,502 posts)it should match the rules on driving.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)..."The court decides along with imposing sentence at your conviction."...
...unless you see a need for a proceeding separate from the DUI/DWI court. Is that what you're advocating?
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)petronius
(26,606 posts)it makes sense to add an automatic time period on top of that. Rather, I'd say that the procedure for the return of CCW (and any other affected licenses and permits) should be determined by the court at sentencing, and should probably be linked with the process for the return of the driving license.
If anything, I'd say the upper limit is a bigger question - courts shouldn't be allowed to impose open-ended or permanent revocations in most cases...
Oneka
(653 posts)as i feel that in the future, states will look back, and wonder how they ever thought, that they had the authority, to issue permission slips, to citizens who wish to exercise their rights.
safeinOhio
(32,736 posts)it is the only Constitutional amendment with a prefatory clause, such constructions were widely used elsewhere.
The writer's were pretty thoughtful about the document, yet many claim that clause was a mistake.
lastlib
(23,322 posts)Fuck up once--you're done. You're playing with a deadly weapon.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...the car, the gun or both?
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 4, 2012, 04:33 AM - Edit history (1)
A first offense should have a relatively short period of disqualification, but somebody who repeatedly demonstrates a pattern of drunkenness and negligence has forfeit their right to arms. One conviction can be a seriously bad decision by an otherwise prudent and responsible citizen -- three are a pattern of carelessness that must be taken far more seriously. I voted 3-5 years, but may I suggest:
1st offense: Disqualified until one year has passed since end of sentence
2nd offense: Disqualified until 3-5 years have passed since end of sentence
3rd offense: Disqualified for life, with the right to request restoration of the right.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)In Texas it is legal for me to go to a liquor store, armed, and purchase alcohol. The only thing that would prevent me from doing so is if proper 30.06 signage is posted. In the last 15 years I have never seen a liquor store so posted.
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...Bourbonqued Pork Ribs?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)I use wine in sauces and make some very popular rum and whiskey cakes. And don't forget Jack Danial's pie!
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)...I like Jack D or Ezra Brooks. Follow that with your favorite BBQ rub and roast ~ 290 for 2 1/4 hours for 4 lbs of pork ribs. Best if you can grill them for a few minutes on each side first.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)You'd save a lot of time if you just quit trying to tote everywhere. Just leave em at home and quit worrying about how, where, when, etc., you can carry.
armueller2001
(609 posts)if you'd just quit trying to justify arbitrarily restricting people's rights. Just stay at home and quit worrying about law abiding citizens taking responsibility for their own safety and carrying self defense tools.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)30.06 signs in Texas are extremely rare.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Because it is against the law to consume alcohol on the premises of a liquor store, or any store that does not have a license that allows on site consumption of alcohol.
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
Glaug-Eldare
(1,089 posts)This isn't about carrying while intoxicated. It's about revoking permits as a result of DUIs, regardless of whether the driver was carrying at the time or not.
Meiko
(1,076 posts)that in some states you can enter a bar with a concealed weapon.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)I chose after court items are dealt with.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,482 posts)A DWI conviction legally represents a spectrum of less than responsible behavior. There is a bit of difference between blowing a 0.08 during a random sobriety check and having the ER give the cops your BAC of 0.22 after you drove into wall.
I don't see a big difference between doing a "Cheney" and doing a "Plaxico" in terms of responsibility.
I think states that don't issue CCW permits are within their rights to impose restrictions (i.e. - on permission to drive or carry a weapon) on individuals who have demonstrated irresponsibility either by adjudication or medical diagnosis. I don't the laws in particular but there are states where a sufficient number of DWIs within a short enough period will equal a felony, rendering that person not only ineligible for a CCW but permanently unable to buy or possess a firearm. I think it's a good thing that worsening behavior has temporary consequences before permanent consequences are imposed.
Alcohol, pot, coke, oxy... these are all drugs. Just because the law treats them differently doesn't mean that it's a good idea to do so.