Obama anti-gun? Says who?

[Common Sense Party]

During the 2008 presidential campaign, the National Rifle Assn. spent millions of dollars on political ads claiming that Democratic candidate Barack Obama was out to take Americans' guns away; one typical ploy was an NRA website, called GunBanObama.org, whose banner headline read, "Obama would be the most anti-gun president in American history." In the wake of Obama's election, gun sales soared and ammunition prices skyrocketed as consumers stockpiled bullets in preparation for a war on gun rights that never happened.

Obama hasn't proposed any anti-gun legislation in his first term, and has rarely mentioned the topic. This makes us wonder how long the NRA and the politicians who do its bidding can continue to pretend there's a wolf at the door before people look outside and discover that wolves are an endangered species. The answer, based on last week's annual NRA convention, is apparently forever.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-ed-guns-nra-romney-obama-20120417,0,1918925.story

I'm very pro-RBKA, but I don't approve of the NRA and others spreading lies and falsehoods to stoke fear (especially when doing so jacks up the price of my ammo).

You've gotta love this dig on Flipper:

Presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, the event's headliner, slammed Obama for "employing every imaginable ruse and ploy" to restrict gun rights (apparently, his ruses are so subtle as to be invisible to the naked eye)

[GreenStormCloud]

1. Says Obama himself.

Check out this statement. Obama said it in 2004 and has not retracted it. He wants a national ban on concealed carry.

In 2005 he voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.

He voted for the 2005 Kennedy Amendment intended by Kennedy to ban all common center-fire rifle ammo. Kennedy, in his speech named the .30-30, first made in the mid 1890s, as a cop-killer to be banned. The .30-30 is one of the most common hunting rounds in America. Reference to Kennedy’s speech, Congressional Record: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgibin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2004_record&page=S1634&position=all

“Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers’ armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating. It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.”

A ban on the .30-30 would have banned ALL common hunting ammunition. Since Kennedy wrote the amendment, and since he specifically named the .30-30, then we must assume that he did intend to ban the .30-30, and therfore ALL hunting ammo.

He appointed Holder as AG and Holder is extremely anti-gun.

Regretfully, Obama's record and his statements have been profoundly anti-gun.

[Common Sense Party]

5. Actions, to me, speak louder than words. If and when as President he decides to ACT on his rhetoric,

then I will get exercised.

Personally, I was happy to be able to take my gun to Yellowstone Park last year.

[GreenStormCloud]

8. Why doesn't he issue a retraction of his statement regarding a ban on CC.

He hasn't taken any action because he know that he can't get gun control legislation through congress. But he did make that statement about working below the radar for gun control. Exactly what did he mean by that?

The parks thing was merely a rider on a must-pass credit card reform bill. To get the credit card reform he had to accept the guns-in-parks bit, so I don't give him any credit for it. Although the credit card reform itself was nice and he gets credit for that but not for the guns.

I will give him credit when he actually does something pro-gun that isn't part of anything else.

[liberal N proud]

2. Says the people who do not want him reelected.

[Remmah2]

3. Two things cause problems with firearms.

Rust and politicians.

[gejohnston]

4. The most anti gun president in history?

Harding was more anti-gun

I'm very pro-RBKA, but I don't approve of the NRA and others spreading lies and falsehoods to stoke fear (especially when doing so jacks up the price of my ammo).

Yeah, I remember some asshole charging $60 for a box of .380 FMJs. I'll go to Wal Mart before I would buy shit from him again. I wonder how much of the stocking up is to beat out gougers than it is about Obama.

[Common Sense Party]

6. What did Harding do? I'm not aware of his history with guns...

[gejohnston]

7. he signed the Miller Act

also known as the Mailing of Firearms Act. That is the reason why you can ship long guns by USPS but no pistols so much. It might have made sense then, but is now just corporate welfare for UPS. So far, Obama has not signed anything, or even pushed for anything.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1044070?uid=3739600&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=56053461803

[GreenStormCloud]

9. That is a far cry from being "most anti-gun President" in history.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 was much more severe than that. And there was the Clinton AWB that accomplished nothing except handing congress to the Republicans.

[gejohnston]

10. true but

I was not saying Harding was the most either. I was simply saying Harding was more so than Obama so far. Of course GCA and the AWB tops that. NFA and Federal Firearms Act 1938 also tops the Miller Act. I was not describe FDR or LBJ as "anti gun" in the same way I would describe Josh Sugarmann as being anti gun. Clinton on the other hand.........

[GreenStormCloud]

11. Obama is strongly anti-gun.

He is smart enough to know that he is blocked by congress on most anti-gun items and doesn't want to waste political capital on a defeat.

Why won't he let those one million M-1s back into the country?

[gejohnston]

12. good point

From what I read, the Koreans don't get why he won't let the M1s back either. My theory is that he has no idea what an M1 is.
I think he is anti gun, but how much is ideology and how much is lack of good information on the subject and our outlook. He grew up in Honolulu and moved to Chicago after college. That and the Daley machine probably formed his early views on guns. Having the NRA ran by Wayne and Ted doesn't help much. I think that if he were a community organizer in Fargo, I think his outlook would be different.
For now, the important thing is to get the reactionaries out, and work on educating him on our outlook.
I try to be optimistic. I don't always succeed.