For the anti-gun people in this group, and I know you're out there

[shadowrider]

Can you tell me

1) What anti-gun organization you belong to?
2) Do you attend their meetings?
3) Do you contribute money to them?
3a) If so, how much?
4) Have you contacted legislators in your area/state about gun control measures?
4a) How were your proposals received?
4b) How many are moving forward?
4c) Were your proposals actually acknowledged?

Or do you just sit online and rail against those who actively protect gun rights?

Just curious.

By the way, I still have $1000 for anyone who can answer the question poised here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117230468

So far, the check is collecting dust.

[orpupilofnature57]

1. I'm anti communist too ,and

have never attended a communist meeting .Do you have a point ,or an agenda? Antebellum is gone and I wish the paranoid Delusions of you ' 2nd amendment Folk ' would take a break.

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Take the 1G and have your paranoia treated.

What BS..........

[lanlady]

3. let's see

1) why do you want to know?
2) what business is it of yours?
3) why should I tell you?
4) what would you do with the information if I did?

I am anti-gun because of two words: Virginia Tech. Five years ago today. It directly affected my family. That's all you need to know.

[AH1Apache]

7. My deepest condolences to you and your family.

That being said, there were numerous reasons this happened, like VA not submitting his mental health record to NICS, the campus police standing around with their thumbs up their ass waiting for the real police to get there meanwhile Cho had all the time in the world to continue murdering people, and that VT was a gun free zone so no other student or teacher was armed that day.
Did you notice that when finally confronted by armed individuals, I.E. police, he offed himself, so maybe, just maybe if a student or teacher had been armed that day, it might have turned out far different, however, we'll never know.

[orpupilofnature57]

14. The Law was obstructed by VA ,

through incompetence or expedience , Gun laws aren't meant to disarm people ,just the dangerous ones and don't work if everyone involved drops the ball.

[AH1Apache]

34. I fully agree with you

[lastlib]

61. That being said, gett the G**-D***** guns off the streets!!

JFK
MLK
RFK
John Lennon
VA Tech
A hundred other mass murders by guns
Trayvon Martin
Gabby Giffords et al
My friend, Scott A.


I don't need any more reasons to say, STOP THE KILLING!!!

[oneshooter]

66. So what sre you doing to get this done? Just playing outraged on the WWW

don't do a thing to acconplish your goals. Get out there and get people organized! Start a petition drive to change the laws!!!
Just sitting on your fat arse and bitching about it don't do nothing.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[rl6214]

80. My guns had nothing to do with any of those things.

[JDPriestly]

4. There isn't any anti-gun movement.

There are just a lot of paranoid gun-lovers who let their imaginations go wild.

Most people are not all that anti-gun. They just don't want to find a friendly gun in their face if they take a wrong turn on the way back home from the 7-11 some evening.

The NRA stirs up gun lovers by telling them they will lose their gun laws. Leave gun laws to local government, and most people will get laws that fit their communities and their situations.

[gejohnston]

5. What is Brady Campaign

VPC et al?

Leave gun laws to local government, and most people will get laws that fit their communities and their situations.

McDonald kind of changed that.

[shadowrider]

8. So I guess you're ok with Kennesaw, Georgia where each household

is REQUIRED by law to have a gun.

Right?

[amuse bouche]

28. "By the way, I'm armed and living somewhere."

Oh my...sounds like a threat.

Typical attitude of so many macho gun luvaaas

[CokeMachine]

40. You know --

When you put something in quotes it should be something someone actually said?? Did I miss an edit or something Send some money to Brady or Bloomberg -- they make stuff up all the time. My low post count deserves one of these .

[amuse bouche]

42. Yes it's in a signature line of the poster

I responded to. Quotation marks are appropriate in that case.

So simple even a gun lover should be able to figure it out

[CokeMachine]

52. Sorry -- My bad

I don't usually pay attention to the sig lines. I re-read the post and didn't see the quoted comment when I posted but you are correct about the sig line

Take Care

[ProgressiveProfessor]

54. Its a take off on another active participants sig

Have any other cheap shots handy?

[Hoyt]

62. What's "cheap" about responding to people proud of being heavily armed in our society.

It's not something any person should be proud of.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

64. And how do you know that Shadow Rider is heavily armed?

Your standards for what constitutes heavily armed are far from universal. A single concealed sidearm scarcely qualifies.

[shadowrider]

76. Lemme tell ya

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I get up in the morning, put on two ammo belts, have a six-shooter on each hip and a rifle. And that's just for the morning walk to the bathroom.

I think I might need this lest some people out there think I'm serious.

[rl6214]

81. His standard for heavily armed it a super soaker and a rubberband gun

[amuse bouche]

67. "Have any other cheap shots handy?"

Oh that wasn't even close to a cheap shot.

If I wanted to take a cheap shot,I probably would have gone into guns as phallic symbols, overcompensation...etc

[AH1Apache]

72. But I notice you don't say squat

about the cheap shots that certain anti gun posters say.
Biased much?

[amuse bouche]

83. Well of course I'm biased

I can't stand Republiclowns and not a fan of gun lickers either

[Hoyt]

31. And a lot of folks ignore the stupid law imposed by right wing racists trying to keep their

"community pure" through intimidation. But, it's probably on your bucket list to visit. It's a crummy little town, although there are some good steep trails on Kennesaw Mountain.

[sarisataka]

33. So is it ok...

to ignore laws we may consider stupid? Like say that weapons ban some want to impose?

That isn't very Law-abiding

[Hoyt]

35. Exactly, many who claim they are law-abiding have been saying they could never turn their guns in.

I really believe it would be that traumatic for them. But, sometimes folks just gotta suck it up.

[sarisataka]

36. So which group is wrong?

But, sometimes folks just gotta suck it up.

-Gun owners of types that become outlawed i.e. suck it up and turn them in

-or-

-people in a community that has passed a law requiring households to be armed i.e. suck it up and turn get a gun that satisfies the law

[JDPriestly]

59. Yes. If a town wants everyone to have a gun, fine with me.

If I have to go through there, I will make sure I don't stop.

[gejohnston]

60. why not?

Stopping for gas or lunch would be safe. Kicking in doors at 1AM, not so much.

[DonP]

11. I guess all those posts demanding a ban on handguns and assault weapons are my imagination too.

Maybe those posts are all plants by that evil NRA?

But there's an anti gun movement.

They're just hard to find because they have no grass roots organizations, never actually contribute to any gun control organizations, can't be bothered to circulate petitions supporting what they claim they support and all they tend to do is whine about how horrible guns and the people that own and use them are.

They usually can't or won't see the difference between a law abiding gun owner that enjoys different shooting sports and a criminal.

But they know that one or two more gun laws will somehow make a difference, when the 20,000+ laws on the books now don't do what they want.

There's an anti gun movement, they just really suck at it.

[orpupilofnature57]

18. I've been here since 2004 ,Show me

2 posts that call for a Ban on handguns ?

[DonP]

24. I've been here since 2002 IIRC, do your own search in the current threads

If you haven't seen them you either haven't been looking in the gungeon or refuse to accept the dream some people here embrace

There have been at least two or three demands that i can recall for complete bans on the manufacture and sale of all handguns in the last week and several demands for renewing the so called assault weapons ban in the last 24 hours, since it was part of the 2004 and 2008 party platform.

It's not at all uncommon for posters to say they "don't really want to take away anyone's guns", then demand that we renew the Assault Weapons ban in the same thread, as if that doesn't really count because "assault weapons" are icky.

I have to go now, but tomorrow AM if no one else has added cites I'll dig a few out.

[X_Digger]

29. You mean like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117231155#post16

what happened to our party? What we need is a TOTAL BAN on all handguns and ammunition.

Anything less is not acceptable.

That was today.

There's plenty more if you google it (site:democraticunderground.com handgun ban)

ie, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1412901#1412912

No one needs these little tools of murder and thats all they are for.

[orpupilofnature57]

30. I'm way wrong

[CokeMachine]

38. Opps -- Shouldn't that be a peace finger or two?

You asked -- you received.

[orpupilofnature57]

47. OK , never on General Discussion :salutations:

on a saturday ,with the poster playing with a pinwheel .I'll wait.

[Callisto32]

48. SRSLY?

[amuse bouche]

6. I hate guns

especially because so many gun lovers are obsessed individuals with lists. Scary and creepy

[AH1Apache]

9. Gun Lovers?

Wow, that's just so original.

[amuse bouche]

19. Oh indeed. There is definite Freudian associations. No denying that

And then there is this

"A new study out of UCLA suggests that when people wield a gun, they don't just feel bigger and stronger — it makes others think they are bigger and stronger.

In the study, survey participants were asked to look at pictures of a hand holding various items, including a power drill, a caulk gun, a large saw and a .45-caliber handgun. When asked to guess the height, size and muscularity of the men behind the pictures, people thought the gun-wielding hand models were consistently taller, bigger and more muscular than the rest."

http://www.npr.org/2012/04/16/150728003/bigger-taller-stronger-guns-change-what-you-see?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[PavePusher]

32. That study got similar results with other weapons.

Don't make it something it's not.

[CokeMachine]

39. Lists?

Is it really lists that are bad or just lists you disagree with. Check out the list of cosmetic features banned in Calif. -- My Mini 14 is cool because it has a wood stock. My AR (Armalite -- not Assult Rifle) is registered because it's on a list. How's that terrorist watch list which is bad for everything except guns? Peace!!

[Callisto32]

50. Please.

Tool use DOES make you stronger. Presuming we think of stronger as "the ability to do things I otherwise could not."

That's kind of the point of tools, to make humans stronger so we aren't squishy brown/pink tiger-bait.

[shadowrider]

10. I keep no such list and don't care to.

This thread is for the vehement anti-gun folks who talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

I'd like to know who walks the walk is all. Nothing more, nothing less.

[russspeakeasy]

12. I hope it has a fence around it.

[amuse bouche]

13. "I keep no such list and don't care to."

Sure you do. You started this thread with a list

[Callisto32]

49. Lists of valuable, theft-bait you own is scary and creepy?

Its called homeowner's/renter's insurance, dear.

Damn straight I have a list, it has make, model, caliber, and serial number, as well as identifying characteristics, if any. If anything ever gets stolen, you'll be DAMN glad we made lists...

[rl6214]

82. "I hate guns"..."scary and creepy"...

get worked up over many inanimate objects?

[SecularMotion]

15. I'm anti-gun nut and I belong to the Democratic party

[shadowrider]

16. Excellent. Do you walk the walk or just talk the talk?

[orpupilofnature57]

23. Animal Mother it's you !!!!!

[AH1Apache]

37. He looks like some of the soldiers I knew in Vietnam

[mcranor]

17. Yeah, I'm a gun-hater.

My need to be without them just isn't as strong as your need to be with them. How come, even with your guns, you're still so insecure?

[amuse bouche]

20. "How come, even with your guns, you're still so insecure?"

So true and excellent observation

[ellisonz]

43. Hmm...

Maybe they feelings of impotence in the world...

Preemptive

[orpupilofnature57]

22. Self-Loathing ?

[shadowrider]

26. I never said I have a strong need to be with them. From where did you infer that?

[shadowrider]

27. You're a gun hater. Good for you, it's your right and I recognize that.

Believe me, I won't try and change your mind.

I'm just curious if you do anything about guns other than declare you hate them.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

55. Perhaps if you lived where I do in SoCal you would carry too

My neighborhood cats are cougars and the rattlesnakes are everywhere.

[Kylefty]

21. Are you ok?

I mean your post seems a little paranoid,by the way that website quotes Glen Beck, i didn't go there looking for something saying they advocate anything, anywhere, anytime but i did go looking to see if there is anything they don't support and i couldn't find that.

I want to thank you i knew the NRA was a little extreme and politically leans right but i had no idea how far i mean Glen fucking Beck.I had always kinda thought they really cared about the second amendment and i didn't have a issue with that cause i am not anti gun just gun enforcement, i think its perfectly ok to have a automatic rifle if the FBI checks you out which is what we have today.but now i know they careless about protecting the second amendment then they do just electing republicans and selling guns,and that would not have been possible with out you.


So as of now i am more anti NRA then before i read your post, i had only minor issues with them before that.I am pro second amendment just with regulation..what are gun owners so afraid of?where is this powerful anti gun movement you speak of?I mean you can find people in this country who support and oppose anything thats easy but that doesn't mean they are a threat to you..

[shadowrider]

25. Can you define this "regulation" of which you speak?

[ellisonz]

57. No he's not okay...

...he's got something stuck in his craw and he's going to writhe around and stamp his feet until it ejects itself.

Welcome to DU.

[ellisonz]

41. I live in a state with the highest Brady score in the nation.

My Congresscritters are Maxine Waters, Barbara Boxer, and Dianne Feinstein, and previously Neil Abercrombie, Daniel Akaka, and Daniel Inouye.

Do you live in a Red State?

[shadowrider]

44. I do.

[ellisonz]

46. Poor thing.

[shadowrider]

45. 44 replies and not one person has admitted to actually doing anything

to promote anti-gun viewpoints.

[DonP]

53. You have your answer

I kind off thought that would be the result.

I've been asking the same basic questions now for around a year and I have yet to have anyone brag about actually doing anything as simple as starting a petition. When I've asked for specific examples of what they actually do in the real world to support gun control, I get things like "I spend all my money paying my bills" or "I don't have time to go to any meetings" and my favorite, "I only vote for candidates that support gun control".

It's obviously far easier to "talk the talk" than actually get off your ass and do anything.

It seems their primary gun control "tactic" is to cut and paste articles online from newspapers and magazines that have a smaller circulation than the NRA has actual paid members East of the Mississippi.

But the good news ... if this group is typical ... it proves that gun control is a top down driven mentality with a lot of bobblehead followers that nod when they are supposed to and actually do nothing. Gun owners and other supporters of the entire Bill of Rights have little to fear in the way of new regulations generated from the average gun control supporter.

[X_Digger]

58. We're up to 57 and still nothing more than whining from them..

I would have expected at least one brady bunch donor to pop up.

[shadowrider]

77. Now at 75 without anyone admitting to doing anything about gun control

other than whine online.

[Hoyt]

63. The ones that need to do something are those who carry guns in public and over accumulate.

But they won't, so laws will need to be changed and they'll just need to suck it up and walk into a restaurant or other public building, parks, churches, etc., without their beloved lethal weapon.

[DonP]

68. You misunderstand - per usual

The question wasn't about what can we "all" do to promote gun control. Many of us have no interest in more controls and are working to reduce the number of pointless gun laws already out there.

The question was to try and find out if any of the "enthusiastic" gun control supporter here ever do anything in the real world to support their point of view. The short answer appears to be - "Hell No". All talk and no walk.

The pro-second amendment side are all very busy doing things to support our point of view, often on a weekly basis. While you're off checking papers for people you suspect maybe carrying concealed, we out with our families at gun clubs, making new friends, shooting and spending our money on a regular basis on club memberships, ammunition, targets et. al. and many belong to and attend meetings of state and national shooting sports associations that are actively (and very successfully) lobbying to change the existing gun laws.

It's the gun control side that sitting with its thumb up its ass at keyboards whining and really doing nothing. That's why the idea of more gun control has become much more of a punchline in a bad joke than a viable political movement. It's quickly approaching the humor level of the "Flat Earth Society" press releases

Like I said above, Gun Control is obviously a top down movement, with no real grass roots support, run by a handful of 1%ers that have a shrinking army of willing and generally incapable bobblehead followers that do nothing but sit, nod, smile and whine online and in the occasional editorial. Not exactly a major political movement anyone has to worry about. But still offering frequent bursts of humor and over reaching rhetoric and for that we thank you.

[oneshooter]

69. "over accumulate" What restrictions would you place on a firearms collection?

[Hoyt]

70. I think about 75% less than what you have now would be a good start for you.

[oneshooter]

71. And you plan on removing them from me, how?

[AH1Apache]

73. That's right Hoyt

I walk into restaurants, supermarkets, parks all the time with my legally concealed firearm and nobody cares because they don't know, hell, every now and then I'll OC and nobody give a flying fuck because criminals usually don't OC.

[ileus]

51. As a part time anti-gunnerbaserrudetoter

1) What anti-gun organization you belong to?

None
2) Do you attend their meetings?

None
3) Do you contribute money to them?

None
3a) If so, how much?

None
4) Have you contacted legislators in your area/state about gun control measures?
no
4a) How were your proposals received?
n/a
4b) How many are moving forward?
none
4c) Were your proposals actually acknowledged?
n/a

Or do you just sit online and rail against those who actively protect gun rights?

online anti only

Just curious.


Always remember guns kill people.

[Scout]

56. i'm not anti-gun

i'm anti-assholes-with-guns.

if we could get rid of the assholes, there would be no "gun problem."

[ProgressiveProfessor]

65. If we could get rid of the assholes, there would be a lot less problems in all areas

[ellisonz]

74. But we can't...

...so maybe it's time to stop arming them like it's the first day of Girl Scout Cookie sales and they have a sugar tooth

[gejohnston]

75. How do you define asshole

and how do you weed them out without arbitrary rules, which have a history of being classist and racist? Kind of like LA and Orange Counties?

[ellisonz]

78. lol

Well we can start with the entire State of Florida!

[gejohnston]

79. Given that most people in Florida

are first generation transplants from New York, Ohio, Michigan, California, Illinois, and a few Canadians, I would say they learned to be assholes there. Where I live is best described as Long Island/Queens South. Just like Arizona. Brewer is from California and Apario is from New Jersey. Most of the native Floridians, like my wife, are OK. The one Wyoming transplant that I know of is the coolest and most progressive Floridian I know.