Texas boy dead, allegedly shot self with mom's gun

[jpak]

http://www.statesman.com/news/texas/texas-boy-dead-allegedly-shot-self-with-moms-2307927.html

TYLER, TEXAS — Investigators believe the 4-year-old son of an East Texas law officer had used her gun to fatally shoot himself.

Tyler police say Jaylen Johnson died Sunday afternoon in the apparent accidental shooting.

Smith County sheriff's Chief Deputy Bobby Garmon told KLTV-TV (http://bit.ly/HJ5GHE ) that the shooting happened in Officer Andrea Johnson's personal vehicle. She works at the Smith County jail but was not on duty at the time of the accident.

Authorities say the boy was dead on arrival at a Tyler hospital.

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[otohara]

1. Another Light Goes Out

in America.

RIP little one

[ileus]

2. Another firearm accident.

[Doctor_J]

11. More like another negligent homicide

[Meiko]

3. She should be charged

with child endangerment or child abuse. She is obviously negligent in the death of this child, and I really don't want to hear "hasn't she been through enough"? It is way past time that people who leave guns and kids together unattended should be punished. Enough already.

[otohara]

4. No, No, No

it was an "accident" !

She's a law enforcement officer - responsible gun owner.

Besides, the gun lobby will tell you more kids die choking or playing football, and that's supposed to make you feel better. Let's keep things in perspective folks. Kids killed by guns in America - meh!

[gejohnston]

8. if she was a cop

is she a gun owner, or was the gun issued?

Well, the CDC says more kids do die from choking and playing football. But, only shootings are tragic according to the antis.

[otohara]

10. The CDC

doesn't use the statistics to smooth out the numbers of kid gun deaths.

[gejohnston]

12. no, but it does

put it in perspective.

[Doctor_J]

13. Please stop with the Straw Men

only shootings are tragic according to the antis.

Please point to a post/article/blog entry that says that.

They're all tragic. Most of the gun deaths are preventable. that's a major difference

[gejohnston]

15. why only the emphisis on

"gun deaths"
"gun suicides"
"gun violence"
"gun murders"?
because it serves their political purpose.

Most of the gun deaths are preventable.

and most of the rope, knife, etc. deaths are not?

[Doctor_J]

21. The next time a 4-year-old gets ahold of his parent's rope

and kills himself with it, post about it and I'll lead the outrage parade.

[Hoyt]

32. Me too.

[Common Sense Party]

36. No, you won't.

[X_Digger]

34. Here you go..

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/two-year-old-child-accidentally-strangled-by-window-blind-cord-in-geelong/story-e6frf7jo-1225781298946

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=168901

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/29479870/detail.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2115472/Coroner-warns-parents-dangers-window-blind-cords-toddler-child-accidentally-strangled-year.html

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/05/25/20090525hanging0525-ON.html

Lead on.

[Doctor_J]

46. Close, but no cigar

gej was posting about weapons being accidentally obtained and then inflicting harm. If you seriously are trying to conflate a jump rope accident with a 4-year-old getting his hands on a gun (or knife) and killing himself or a playmate, we're at an impasse. My reasoning and yours cannot coexist in the same discussion.

[X_Digger]

47. Feel free to set those goalposts down, they must be heavy.

You said..

The next time a 4-year-old gets ahold of his parent's rope and kills himself with it

A shade cord, a jump rope, a cord attached to a treadmill, a rope tied to a tree.. all of those qualify.

[Doctor_J]

88. Surely there is a difference between a jump rope accident and a firearm

Are these considered equivalent by the NRA? I have always considered them a little wacky, and getting more so as time goes by, but even they must be able to distinguish between these two.

[X_Digger]

89. Is the child any less dead?

That's what confuses me- that a kid killed with a gun is somehow more dead than one who strangled on a shade cord.

I'm still waiting for you to lead the charge on dangerous rope outrage.

[gejohnston]

44. I will post the link and press release when

VPC actually gives a shit about Violence regardless of means.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

93. ge -- tell me what group will you post it in. I want to see this. thanks.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

92. that OP would be locked in this group for being Off Topic

as well it should be. With that being the case where do you suggest one post such articles?

[Jenoch]

99. Maybe not 4-year olds, but other

children are killed by the equivalent of ropes. Blind cords have caused the deaths of numerous children worldwide.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95133&page=1#.UFaYk0ZjhN0

[Starboard Tack]

22. Statistically insignificant?

[gejohnston]

26. you missed the larger point

why do we let kids play a violent game that kills more kids than gun accidents, yet freak if some school has a rifle club or shooting team? Freak about rifle teams but not archery.
Then we wonder why Germans, Swiss, and Koreans laugh their asses off.

[Starboard Tack]

29. No I didn't miss it. We don't let them, we make them, like gladiators.

All deaths of children are tragic. I think American football has morphed into an incredibly barbaric sport. I remember watching high school games 30 years ago that were great, but the idea then was to score points, not to damage the other side. Rifle clubs and archery clubs are healthy outlets for kids primal energies. Much healthier than running in the street playing C&R, or C&I, or WW2 with toy guns.

[gejohnston]

45. That I agree

Much healthier than running in the street playing C&R, or C&I, or WW2 with toy guns.

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. Soooo predictable.....

[ellisonz]

30. "But, only shootings are tragic according to the antis."

That's way over-the-top.

[Atypical Liberal]

85. Do you have children?

Do you have children?

Can you imagine a punishment for a normal parent worse than the loss of their child?

[Atypical Liberal]

98. Do you have children?

Let me tell you, as a parent: There is no punishment you could do to me than the loss of one of my children.

[ZombieHorde]

5. Sad. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. What does a gun have to do with this?

That's what the loonies will ask.

[gejohnston]

9. given it was a cop

often it belongs to the department and not the officer who it is issued to. Some departments require you to buy your own.
She may not be a "gun owner".

[TheCowsCameHome]

20. See?

[Starboard Tack]

23. Guns don't kill. Glove compartments kill.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

28. I think you just...

...passed the Wayne La Pierre fan club entry test! congrats

[X_Digger]

7. Yet police are the only ones who should have guns, right?

[Loudly]

14. That reads as though

you think the public needs guns to do battle with the cops.

The cops might not need guns if the populace didn't have them.

[fightforfreedom123]

16. Guns don't kill people

People do.

[rl6214]

52. Should we respond to people who have been ppr'd?

[gejohnston]

17. gangsters would still have them

that is why Japanese cops carry them and UK has SWAT teams with machine guns.

[AH1Apache]

18. So I'll ask you again Shares

How do you keep firearms out of the hands of criminals who have already demonstrated complete disregard for laws?

[Loudly]

48. Make them scarce.

If you don't mind me answering instead.

[AH1Apache]

49. How do you keep other countries from making them scarce

and how do you keep them from coming across the border?
We can't even stop the smuggling of humans and drugs and guns are alot smaller.
I would just love to hear your solutions to these scenarios.

[Loudly]

50. Smuggling is a miniscule part of the problem.

Legal manufacturing, importation and retail sales are the low hanging fruit.

[AH1Apache]

53. Miniscule? Really? Are you fucking for real? Tell that to the drug cartels and the human smugglers

So are you doing anything to further your cause, like circulating petitions to amend or repeal the 2A, which we all know will never happen, or are you just another keyboard kommando who just bitches and moans but does nothing.
Also, how do you stop the criminals from acquiring firearms as they wouldn't give two shits about gun laws. All you've managed to acccomplished is to disarm the law abiding.

[Loudly]

58. How is stopping the introduction of new units disarming anyone?

It's a decades long struggle to raise consciousness, marginalize those who perversely rejoice in the epidemic of guns and ammo in the hands of the public, staff the courts with judges who will narrow the meaning of any such "right," and allow natural attrition to work its magic.

It's exactly like the civil rights movement. Heighten awareness of racial discrimination, ostracize those who engage in it, staff the courts with judges who will shape the law to discourage provincialism, and allow the integration mandate to work it magic.

And just like Jim Crow, America's gun problem is home grown. Not some sinister lunacy smuggled in from abroad.

[AH1Apache]

59. And yet more and more states

are loosening their gun laws. Yours is a pipe dream that will never come true.
But you still didn't answer my question.
We can't stop drugs or humans from coming across our borders and I can tell you right now that if guns became scarce domestically, a black market would spring up overnight to supply that product and if you think otherwise, I've got a bridge for sale in S.F., cheap.

[Loudly]

61. What can I tell you? You're part of the problem.

Seek enlightenment.

[AH1Apache]

64. C'mon SharesUnited

do you really think you are fooling anyone here?
Do try not to be so obvious.
I am most definitely not part of the problem, and I most definitely am enlightened

[PavePusher]

63. Someone wants Prohibition III....

...'cause the first two worked out so well.

Only this time, we'll do it longer, harder, faster and deeper.What could possibly go wrong?

[AH1Apache]

68. Yeah your right

cause we all know how well the WOD has worked out using those same tactics.

[beevul]

77. "It's exactly like the civil rights movement."

No, its exactly the opposite of the civil rights movement.

The civil rights movement strove to increase the rights of people.

You on the other hand, are proposing to descrease them.

[PavePusher]

62. Smuggling alcohol was a miniscule problem....

until it became an enormous industry, and solidified the position of organized crime.

And you want to do the same... with guns? Insanity....

[Loudly]

67. Speaking of organized crime.

Epidemic of gang shootings in Chicago right now.

McDonald decision. Bad medicine and precisely the wrong message to send to society.

Now THAT's insanity.

[AH1Apache]

69. But how can that be

guns were banned for a long time before the McDonald ruling and people were still getting shot. So how do you account for that.
Oh thats right, it's all the fault of other states and their lax gun laws.

[Loudly]

70. Chicago sits right on the Indiana state line.

That's where the fireworks came from too.

But let's face it. The optics post McDonald are horrible for your inexplicable cause.

[AH1Apache]

72. Check this out

Loudly-Chicago
SharesUnited-Chicago
Coincidence, I think not.

[gejohnston]

74. Ever heard of the Gun Control Act of 1968?

The politicians who blame Indiana, Idaho, etc have. They know that "going to the next state" is a federal crime, but are dishonest about it anyway.

[Loudly]

75. You are simply making the case for scarcity

from sea to shining sea.

[gejohnston]

76. I fail to see how

given many are probably are community guns, some purchased from NYC cops.

[AH1Apache]

78. And another golden oldie

brought to you by SharesUnited aka Loudly

[PavePusher]

71. You are going to have to diagram that set of links.

The McDonald decision has enabled criminals to shoot each other... just like they were doing before the case? Ummm... speaking of insanity....

[gejohnston]

73. ready for a history lesson?

to a time and place where the good guys had the illegal guns? It was issued to UK and Canadian armies. Many were made in bicycle shops in Denmark, Poland, France, Norway. Some of the Polish ones were used during the Warsaw uprising.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sten#Foreign-built_variants_and_post_1945_derivatives
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_sten_machine_carbine.html

Here is one for those who don't like the British
http://www.gemsinisrael.com/e_article000012009.htm

Now for the more modern bad guys.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/22/1090464799535.html
http://weaponsman.com/?p=300
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/aug/28/ukcrime.ukguns

[beevul]

55. Brokenrecords incorporated is proud to present - Sharesunited LIVE, at the DU!

Another chart topping hit "make them scarce"!!


"Make them scarce". loudly

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117231145#post48

"Make 'em scarce." sharesunited - tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=418178&mesg_id=418194

"Making them scarce should be the objective" sharesunited - tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=354250&mesg_id=354267

"Make them scarce." sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"make 'em scarce." sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"Make them scarce" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"Make them scarce" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"Make them scarce" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"Making them scarce is the way to go." sharesunited - tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=399453&mesg_id=399486


Also included with your tickets to the show, are these previously released box sets:


"bullets enter our bodies" loudly

"bullets enter our bodies" sharesunited - tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=352368&mesg_id=352380

"bullets enter our bodies" sharesunited - tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=330396&mesg_id=330436

"bullets enter our bodies" sharesunited - tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4883889&mesg_id=4884177

"bullets enter our bodies" sharesunited - tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=353141&mesg_id=353175

"bullets enter our bodies" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"bullets enter our bodies" sharesunited - tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=354632&mesg_id=354668





And then theres the old favorite "Guns and ammo in the hands of the public":

"Guns and ammo in the hands of the public" - loudly

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117228705#post1

"...guns and ammo in the hands of the general public..." sharesunited - tombstoned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=266391&mesg_id=266468

Guns in the hands of the public..." sharesunited - tombstoned

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"...guns in the hands of the public" sharesunited tombstoned

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"...guns in the hands of the public..." sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"guns in the hands of the public" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"Guns and ammo in the hands of the general public" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"guns and ammo in the hands of the public" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"guns and ammo in the hands of the public" sharesunited - tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=378992&mesg_id=379112

"Guns in the hands of the public." sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"Guns in the hands of the general public" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"guns in the hands of the public" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"Guns in the hands of the general public" sharesunited - tombstoned.

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"guns and ammo in the hands of the public." loudly

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And that chart topper "carrying on dying":

"...carrying on dying ..." loudly

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=25553

"...carry on dying..." sharesunited - tombstoned

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"...Carry On Dying..." sharesunited - tombstoned

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"...Carry On Dying..." sharesunited - tombstoned

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And who can forget the classic "Guns cloud judgment":

"Guns cloud judgment". loudly

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=459071

"As I have said before... guns cloud judgment." sharesunited - tombstoned

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"guns cloud judgment" sharesunited - tombstomned

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"Guns cloud judgment..." sharesunited - tombstomned

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"Guns cloud judgment." sharesunited - tombstomned

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"Guns cloud judgment." sharesunited - tombstomned

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"guns cloud judgment" sharesunited - tombstomned

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Guns cloud judgment..." sharesunited - tombstomned

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But wait, theres more! Also included is that old favorite "bullets in your hide" - with slight variations so you'll never tire of it:

"By murdering your stubborn hide." loudly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117223802#post14

"By killing your hide." sharesunited - tombstoned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=277573&mesg_id=277577

"By killing that wooly hide of yours." sharesunited - tombstoned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x252047#252251

"Now, let's weigh her hide against the 2A dead." sharesunited - tombstoned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x267127#267178

"...by killing your insistent and misguided hide." sharesunited - tombstoned

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"And that means bullets in innocent bodies, including your old hide." sharesunited - tombstoned (a double hit, "bullets in bodies, AND "your hide" all in one!)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=415908&mesg_id=415919

"So is not having bullets enter your hide." sharesunited - tombstoned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=400631&mesg_id=400663

"You CAN force me to take a bullet in my hide." sharesunited - tombstoned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4294235#4295239

"...bullets should GO in their hide?" sharesunited - tombstoned

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=378807&mesg_id=379353






And then theres "the modernity shuffle!":

"Until the nation was dragged kicking and screaming into modernity on the subject." loudly

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117223802#post28

Once again, the federal courts will need to bring the People kicking and screaming into modernity. sharesunited - tombstoned

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And, for a short time only, if you order within the next ten minutes, you'll also recieve "comparing guns to child porn":


"There is a demand for child porn too, but that is being dealt
with." loudly

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=23811

"And child pornography should go unchecked because people have young children they can photograph." Sharesunited -tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=416312&mesg_id=416380

"You may as well come out in favor of child pornography as protected by the first amendment." Sharesunited -tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=379235&mesg_id=379303

"Public policy against the mere possession of child pornography illustrates what is possible." Sharesunited -tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/counterpunch.org/bcnews.go.com/Blotter/www.leftyblogs.com/cgi-bin/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=425726&mesg_id=425747

"Over the counter access to morphine and over the internet access to child pornography." Sharesunited -tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=421906&mesg_id=422022

How did the crusade against child pornography begin? Public policy. Sharesunited -tombstoned.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=415367&mesg_id=415768


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[AH1Apache]

57. You now owe me a new laptop

I just spit my milk all over my laptop keyboard.
Bravo

[rDigital]

90. Wow, completely and totally owned. How's it going shares? Why were you PPRed again? nt

[Simo 1939_1940]

91. Sir -- that was simply.........BRILLIANT!!!

[Tuesday Afternoon]

95. Masterpiece Theatre at its finest -- I am in awe! Bravo and well played!

[X_Digger]

19. Then you need to get better glasses. n/t

[Starboard Tack]

25. I think the cops and the robbers might set an example

Then the populace would have no reason to carry. Oops no, I forgot, some will always come up with a reason like fighting off the US military and 2A and killing rabid dogs and shooting naked guys with bows and killing kids who wear hoodies.

[Callisto32]

27. That's funny on like...3 levels.

[Hoyt]

33. Good point.

[ellisonz]

31. Are you suggesting "Second Amendment Remedies" might be neccessary? n/t

[X_Digger]

35. Kindly remove your fingers from my mouth, eh?

You can read what I suggest when I suggest it.

[ellisonz]

37. Your statement was cryptic...

...it seemed to suggest that either you believe the police are incapable of protecting you, incapable of keeping public order, or could be used to enforce dictatorship? Considering some of the rhetoric that comes out of the gun culture it's a reasonable question. So what were you saying exactly?

[X_Digger]

38. Only cryptic if your intent was to intentionally misinterpret.

And no, your false choices don't fit, either. Better luck next time.

No, I was deriding the idiots who want only cops to have access to firearms. This child would *still* be dead.

[ellisonz]

39. Who are these "idiots" that you are deriding and why do you believe you ought to deride them? n/t

[X_Digger]

40. If you haven't seen them, you're not paying attention (or willfully covering your eyes).

But no, I won't do a call-out, even if juries tend to ignore them on DU3. I think that rule should have been carried over from DU2.

As to why? For a multitude of reasons. First, it's a constitutionally protected right, so they'd have to be morons to think that a constitutional amendment such as would be required would pass. Second, such idiots don't foresee the unintended consequences of their actions- such a disarmament would only affect those predisposed to follow the law. Criminals? Not so much. Third, even the whiff of such a stupid effort from our party would guarantee rethuglican federal electoral victories for a generation.

[ellisonz]

41. So basically you're barking up a tree? Gotcha. n/t

[X_Digger]

42. Whatever makes you happy. n/t

[Straw Man]

60. That's quite a stretch ...

... even for you.

No, he was talking about the mantra that private citizens can't be trusted with guns but police can.

No points for totally missing the point in your quest for a low blow.

[ileus]

43. The only LEO and gov types never get sarcasm.

To them you statement is true...

[rl6214]

51. Holy shit, let's call for a ban on all law enforcement officers having guns...

despicable as usual but don't let that stop you.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

54. HOLY SH*T - LET'S CALL FOR A BAN ON STUPID POSTS

....like yours.

Officers are presumably TRAINED on gun safety and if this family can have an accident ANY family can regardless of the training.

They are going to have some dark days and I hope they get through them.

[AH1Apache]

56. Most cops only shoot once a year when they have to re-qualify

and most cops never draw their gun in anger during their entire career. How do I know this, because my brother is a cop and he says that most cops are lousy shots compared to those of us who have CHL and those that do alot of recreational shooting.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

80. Got It

Cops are lousy shots......making guns effective in abating a crime?

[AH1Apache]

81. That doesn't even make any sense

[PavePusher]

65. Ummm... but we'd never hear from you again... (makes sad). n/t

[Straw Man]

66. I wouldn't be so careless with the word "stupid" ...

... if I were you.

HOLY SH*T - LET'S CALL FOR A BAN ON STUPID POSTS

....like yours. Officers are presumably TRAINED on gun safety and if this family can have an accident ANY family can regardless of the training.

Trained. Presumably. Oh yeah.

I took a handgun class alongside an NYPD plainclothes cop who couldn't get his pistol back in his holster because his t-shirt tail kept getting stuck in with it. This was not a safe situation. He was a numb-nut. Numb-nuts exist, and they are impervious to training. The suggestion that because a numb-nut does something, anybody is likely to do it is ... stupid.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

79. Got It

Guns are dangerous even for those trained.

[Straw Man]

82. You didn't get it at all.

Got It

Guns are dangerous even for those trained.

No. Some people are untrainable.

Nevertheless, some of us keep trying.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

83. And yet they still have guns

........even when they are not trained on how to use them as you point out.

And that makes them dangerous........

[Straw Man]

84. You missed the point again.

And yet they still have guns

........even when they are not trained on how to use them as you point out.

And that makes them dangerous........

We were talking about police here, remember? Are you saying they shouldn't be armed?

If you're advocating increased firearms training with a higher required threshold of proficiency for police, then I'm with you 100%.

[rl6214]

87. No more stupid than the "guns for all" posts

but you never let that stop you.

[X_Digger]

86. Interesting use of the passive voice.

I bet if it weren't a cop, the headline would read, "Mom's gun allegedly used by Texas boy to shoot self." or "Texas boy allegedly shot self with mom's gun."

No, when it's a police officer, that passive voice comes out.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

96. My condolences to the Johnson family on the loss of their son. Sad and tragic. n/t

[4th law of robotics]

97. Wouldn't she be one of those trained professionals that we can always trust to have guns?