Gun violence victims to demand Congress take action

[jpak]

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/221609-gun-violence-victims-to-demand-congress-take-action

Today, 32 Americans, from across the nation, will be on Capitol Hill.

These 32 are black and white, men and women, young and old. The one thing they have in common is that their lives have been forever changed by senseless gun violence. They have lost loved ones, or been shot themselves, by people who should never have had a gun. They are coming to Washington to demand that our elected representatives listen to the American people and take common sense measures to protect our communities.

Why April 16? Because five years ago on that day at Virginia Tech, a dangerously mentally ill young man committed the worst mass shooting ever in the United States.

Why 32? Because 32 were killed at Virginia Tech – and every day 32 people on average are murdered with guns in America.

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[fightforfreedom123]

1. Gun Control Gun Control Gun Control

Gun Control

[Common Sense Party]

9. The irony...it hurts.

fight for freedom??!!?

[northoftheborder]

2. Unfortunately, they are beating their heads against a steel, daggered wall.

[ileus]

3. They need to exercise their 2A rights, not work against them.

[bongbong]

4. Yes!

They should enlist in he militia, which is the only thing the 2nd amendment is about.

[HALO141]

5. Where have you been the past year or two? n/a

[GreenStormCloud]

6. That horse is dead. You can quit beating it.

2A has always been about an individual right to own guns.

All you have to do is look at some of the state constitutions from then to see what they meant.

And the Founding Fathers left lots of writing about what they meant.

And in English a dependent clause never changes the independent clause. The militia part is a dependent clause.

[bongbong]

12. Nope

Your statements have nothing to do with the intent of the Founding Fathers.

You can take a look at Federalist Paper #29 to see what they thought of unregulated gun ownership. Bonus: It tells you exactly what "well-regulated" means.

[X_Digger]

15. Do you need to be spanked again on FP29?

I still have the links handy for the last discussion we had on the subject where you slunk away..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4290943&mesg_id=4291998

[bongbong]

19. Oh Boy!

The obligatory "I win!" post from Digger.

Forgive me if I'm not surprised.

[X_Digger]

21. When you keep regurgitating that pablum that doesn't mean what you say it does..

.. expect to be shown the error of your ways.

Simple solution- get a better argument. That one's busted.

[bongbong]

23. Yawn

Your posts consist entirely now of "I won!". Yawn.

[X_Digger]

24. At least I don't parrot "Brawk FP29! Brawk! Brawk! FP29!" without understanding it.

I gave you the context two years ago, and you still don't seem to have actually understood it.

Why don't you review that conversation, synthesize something that actually addresses it, and respond.

[GreenStormCloud]

29. That horse is still dead. Beating it won't bring it back to life.

SCOTUS has ruled. Your side lost. Live with it.

[Common Sense Party]

8. Put down the bong bong. The 2nd amendment is about much more than that. nt

[bongbong]

13. Yes

It states very clearly "well-regulated". That phrase is talked about at length in Federalist Paper #29. They did not intend to have a bunch of wild untrained guys running around shooting guns. In fact they recoiled in horror at the idea. Read #29 and educate yourself.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. Try reading...

...Federalist #46:

To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. - (James Madison, 1788)

The US male population 16 years or older at the 1790 census was 807,000. Madison's estimate of those armed was a bit over half the male population.

[bongbong]

18. Nice

And it doesn't contradict a thing I've said. Let me know what you think of #29 and its very clear definition of "well-regulated".

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

20. Are you...

...saying that you believe a trained, organized and "well regulated" militia (your definition) of half a million existed in 1788?

[bongbong]

22. Yawn

> nd "well regulated" militia (your definition)

Not "my definition". So you haven't read FP #29. Get back to me when you have.

[Straw Man]

25. FP #29

Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year.

So the citizenry is to show up at a point of assembly twice a year to show that their M-4s are in working order. Sounds pretty well-regulated to me.

When do I get my M-4?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

27. Yawn; stretch; not now.

Make your point or you can wait til I get to reading.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

28. BTW....

...trust me, I don't need condescending encouragement from the likes of you. I do understand your desperation, now that the supreme court has found that the RKBA is an individual right, but try not to let it show.

[Atypical Liberal]

11. What were the militias intended to do?

What were the militias intended to do?

Why did each state have its own militia instead of a single one under the federal government?

[rl6214]

17. "enlist in he militia" you mean women can't belong or

are you just showing your ignorance like you normally do? Because we know it's settled law that you don't need to belong to a militia to excersize your RKBA.

[GreenStormCloud]

7. There are about 80 million gun owners.

They have voted in a pro-gun majority in both houses of congress.

There have been several mass shootings, including some school shootings, that were stopped by an armed citizen. VT was a gun-free zone so nobody was able to fight Cho. Congress should outlaw so called gun-free zones that are really easy-victim zones.

[DonP]

10. Another dupe post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=27650

Got any new ideas? It doesn't make any more sense a few days later.

[rl6214]

16. You were there, right? Lending your support.

Because we know that you don't just post on the internet but lend your support both in person and finanially.

Naw, just kidding, we know you're just an internet commando.

[ileus]

26. Wonder if any of them realize guns aren't alive?