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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 09:52 AM Apr 2012

The Money Trail Behind Florida's Notorious Gun Law

On April 26, 2005, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush signed into law SB 436, better known as the "Stand Your Ground" law, which gave Floridians the right to use deadly force to defend themselves in public without first trying to flee from a threat. Nearly seven years later, the law has exploded into public view with the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida. Police released the shooter, George Zimmerman, the night of the killing after he claimed self-defense; ever since, there has been a firestorm of debate over the wisdom of Stand Your Ground laws, also known as "shoot first" laws, which now exist in 24 states.

The money trail leading to the watershed law in Florida—the first of the 24 across the nation—traces primarily to one source: the National Rifle Association. When Gov. Bush conducted the 2005 signing ceremony, standing alongside him was Marion Hammer, a leader and familiar face from the pro-gun lobbying powerhouse. But the NRA's support for the Stand Your Ground law was far more than symbolic. An analysis by Mother Jones of election and lobbying records reveals that the NRA was instrumental in creating Stand Your Ground: Over a nine-year period the organization gave more than $73,000 in campaign donations to the 43 Florida legislators who backed the law. That money was buttressed by intense lobbying activity and additional funds spent by the NRA in support of the bill's introduction and passage.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/NRA-stand-your-ground-trayvon-martin

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The Money Trail Behind Florida's Notorious Gun Law (Original Post) SecularMotion Apr 2012 OP
7 years later.... ileus Apr 2012 #1
This simply brings this issue to the same threshold pipoman Apr 2012 #2
That's a misunderstanding of criminal law COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #10
If I understand it correctly, gejohnston Apr 2012 #11
Justifiable homicide is not a legal term. It's a short-hand definition COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #21
Please correct me where I am wrong sarisataka Apr 2012 #15
You're not incriminating yourself. COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #20
Thanks sarisataka Apr 2012 #22
And where does the NRA money come from? (nt) enough Apr 2012 #3
From it's 4 million+ members but you'll never get them to admit it AH1Apache Apr 2012 #4
United States citizens, most of whom rrneck Apr 2012 #9
And a good bit from those who profit from guns. Hoyt Apr 2012 #16
Was there a point? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #17
The Blood Money Trail leads to racist GOP vigilantes jpak Apr 2012 #5
Oh yeah, I forgot to add the racist GOP vigilantes AH1Apache Apr 2012 #6
their racist plot is coming together ileus Apr 2012 #8
All $73k given to 43 politicians? pipoman Apr 2012 #7
Isn't Zimmerman a registered Democrat? Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #13
I don't know fer sure, but Jared Lee Loughner is. oneshooter Apr 2012 #14
I believe that to be true ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #18
I never said it was...just responding to the "racist GOP vigilantes" nonsense above. Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #19
Lobbying group is successful at lobbying. In other news, water is wet. X_Digger Apr 2012 #12
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
2. This simply brings this issue to the same threshold
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 10:04 AM
Apr 2012

as most other criminal law..innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Previously, a person defending themselves against an attack had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt they had no way to flee...the burden has simply been shifted back to the accuser, as it should be..

Further $73k isn't enough to buy even one politician let alone 43..face it, the politicians supporting this bill were encouraged by their constituents.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
10. That's a misunderstanding of criminal law
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 11:03 AM
Apr 2012

There have always been different burdens of proof. Prior to this aberration, self-defense was what is known as an 'affirmative defense', in which the offense committed is admitted but some justification is alleged. In that case the burden of proof shifts to the person alleging the justification. The same principle of affirmative defense is found in pleas of insanity, where the person claiming to be insane has the burden of proving it.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
11. If I understand it correctly,
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 11:07 AM
Apr 2012

justifiable homicide is not a crime. Isn't the same as proving your innocence vs the State proving your guilt.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
21. Justifiable homicide is not a legal term. It's a short-hand definition
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:49 PM
Apr 2012

of a homicide carried out either in self defense or defense of others. In any case it's still an affirmative defense.

sarisataka

(18,656 posts)
15. Please correct me where I am wrong
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 06:28 PM
Apr 2012

But are you not then giving up your right against self-incrimination?

Since you must say "Yes I did it but,..." you do not have the option of pleading not guilty or innocent.
I hear anecdotes from police that gang members say it was self-defense when they shoot other gangs yet the state still has to prove they are guilty of charges x,y and z.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
20. You're not incriminating yourself.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 05:48 PM
Apr 2012

The essence of an affirmative defense is that you are telling the court "Yes, I did it, but I was justified so I don't merit any punishment". The alternative is to simpy plead not guilty. This is reserved for situations where challenging the act itself is pointless. In your example of police shootings, the cops are never charged in the first place. The police dept does a shooting investigation and the D.A. goes along with what they find.

sarisataka

(18,656 posts)
22. Thanks
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 09:28 PM
Apr 2012

I have had people ask me variations of the question and have not had a definitive answer.

Now I know

 

AH1Apache

(502 posts)
4. From it's 4 million+ members but you'll never get them to admit it
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 10:09 AM
Apr 2012

according to most of the anti's, it's the evil gun manufacturers.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
9. United States citizens, most of whom
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 10:58 AM
Apr 2012

Are Democrats who just don't know it yet. Some call them the 99%.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
7. All $73k given to 43 politicians?
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 10:13 AM
Apr 2012

a whole $1700 each..nobody has that kind of cash but those 1%er GOPer's, huh?

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
19. I never said it was...just responding to the "racist GOP vigilantes" nonsense above.
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 10:20 AM
Apr 2012

In this case it would have to be "racist Democratic vigilantes," I guess.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
12. Lobbying group is successful at lobbying. In other news, water is wet.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 11:55 AM
Apr 2012

I'm sorry, was this supposed to be some big revelation?

*yawn*

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