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Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:15 AM Apr 2012

IMI Tavor Bullpup Rifle Coming to the USA

http://www.guns.com/imi-iwi-charles-daly-tavor-tar-21-bullpup-rifle-available-us-video.html



The Israeli Military Industries (IMI) Tavor TAR-21 will soon be available in the US. In order to sell on the American market, they will be manufactured in the States. The Israeli-designed bullpup in its standard configuration is not easily imported into the US for a handful of reasons, notably its overall length of 25.2 inches means that it is qualified as a short-barreled rifle (SBR) which means that it is a Title II weapon that requires a tax stamp and legal hurdles jumped in order to own. There is a designated marksman rifle (DMR) version that has an extended 18-inch barrel that might possibly be importable, however, its non-sporting configuration requires American manufacture for it to be available to all US citizens.

Quietly announced at this year's 2012 SHOT Show, manufacturer of the Tavor Israeli Weapon Industries (IWI) will be working with American importer Charles Daly to set up a factory to build the rifles here with the requisite number of US-made parts to qualify the rifles, assembled with a number of Israeli parts as well, as American in manufacture according to 922R law.

The Tavor is a bullpup rifle, meaning the bolt assembly and chamber are behind the trigger, as close to the buttstock of the rifle as possible. This is how the rifle manages to be so compact while not sacrificing barrel length. The Tavor is ambidextrous, although you have to swap bolts to change it from right-handed to left. It has a left-side charging handle and a Picatinny rail on the right side as well as along the top of the rail, for optics and lights and lasers or other rifle accessories.

(more at link)

How long before the usual suspects start demanding that import of this gun be stopped, just as they (rather impotently) have called the for banning of the FN Five-Seven?
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IMI Tavor Bullpup Rifle Coming to the USA (Original Post) Johnny Rico Apr 2012 OP
my son will be happy gejohnston Apr 2012 #1
OMG, its a UZI machine guns!!1!11!!! PavePusher Apr 2012 #2
cant wait until they start making this one... lapfog_1 Apr 2012 #3
Nice gun! What does the little red button do? petronius Apr 2012 #18
Run for your LIVES! BiggJawn Apr 2012 #4
As is true for most bullpup rifles, those suck for people who shoot left-handed slackmaster Apr 2012 #5
You may be interested in this one. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #6
That's a good weapon, but it's not available in California slackmaster Apr 2012 #7
From what I can tell, there's no semiautomatic version. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #8
I thought most Bullpups (e.g. Steyr AUG) were ambi ejectors? DonP Apr 2012 #11
Stop importing guns - especially this one . jpak Apr 2012 #9
See? I *told* you the usual suspects would speak up on this! Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #10
Well until jpak posted, we just had a bunch of folks drooling over new lethal weapons they hope Hoyt Apr 2012 #13
YUP, BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! Tejas Apr 2012 #15
So what "response" did you have upon seeing the photos/videos of weapons above? Hoyt Apr 2012 #16
Sorry... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #19
Makes a mess of finish. Hoyt Apr 2012 #22
Finish... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #24
Ahem.......that would be Finnish. :-) NT Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #30
You are trying to crimp the mirth? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #34
That is one of the great things about space-age polymers! ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #29
$3.95 a minute and I'll drool for you daddy...oooooooooohhh Tejas Apr 2012 #44
I think it's a plastic piece of shit. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #57
And if there was a group that discussed cars, most folks would "drool" over a new sports car. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #17
Because the "Good Democrats" (TM)(R)(C) are supposed to be horrified, don'cha know?!? X_Digger Apr 2012 #23
I'm thinking at least three threads Union Scribe Apr 2012 #31
So you admit lethal weapons make you drool. Hoyt Apr 2012 #26
Note that I put "drool" in quotes. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #35
Oh, I see. We are using "drool" in a different context. Hoyt Apr 2012 #37
DNRTFOP, did you? It's going to be manufactured in the US, not imported. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #28
Being a lefty, ObamaFTW2012 Apr 2012 #12
Kel-tec to the rescue. ileus Apr 2012 #27
Half a dozen for sale at Gunbroker right now. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #36
They try stuff other companies won't. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #48
UNREC for misleading OP - That is an AK-47 Tejas Apr 2012 #14
Does it come with a thing that goes up? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #20
Don't all black plastic guns come with things that go up? Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #21
We need more sporting firearms like this imported. ileus Apr 2012 #25
insert Tim the Toolman Taylor grunt here DrDan Apr 2012 #32
I always thought of myself as gejohnston Apr 2012 #33
I always though of myself as DrDan Apr 2012 #39
Mixed feelings... Xela Apr 2012 #38
What is the difference between ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #40
Never, ever? Xela Apr 2012 #42
Learn something new every day. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #43
LRB has a classic vintage old school look. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #41
Death Spewer. n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #45
What features cause this classification.... PavePusher Apr 2012 #46
lol ellisonz Apr 2012 #47
Soooo......? Nothing, eh? n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #50
Of course"nothing" he doesn't know enough to answer oneshooter Apr 2012 #51
Not really. ellisonz Apr 2012 #52
No longer on"ignore" am I? oneshooter Apr 2012 #53
Hey ignored person... ellisonz Apr 2012 #54
I'm concerned with the lack of a trigger guard. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #49
Are you perhaps looking at the magazine latch? Air Marshal8 Apr 2012 #56
That's so cool! I'll be getting one for sure! Air Marshal8 Apr 2012 #55

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
1. my son will be happy
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:35 AM
Apr 2012

he has been wanting one. They have been exporting it to Canada for a few years, and is legal with an "unrestricted" PAL.

http://www.canadaammo.com/product.php?productid=12&cat=0&page=1

As of 2008, it is available for civilian customers to purchase in Canada.[7] The Canadian civilian version comes standard with the Mepro reflex sight and a slightly longer barrel to meet the Canadian requirement for non-restricted semi-automatic centerfire rifles to have a barrel length of at least 470 mm.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMI_Tavor_TAR-21

BiggJawn

(23,051 posts)
4. Run for your LIVES!
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 10:13 AM
Apr 2012

It's an evil BLACK RIFLE!!! Just like George Zimmerman used!

But there's no bayonet lug on it, so it should be OK...

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
5. As is true for most bullpup rifles, those suck for people who shoot left-handed
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 10:22 AM
Apr 2012

Unless you like getting hit in the face with hot ejected cartridge cases.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
6. You may be interested in this one.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 10:57 AM
Apr 2012

Not a bullpup, but I'm impressed with the engineering Beretta has done to make this weapon so easily convertible between left and right setups:

&list=PL308D0014547772B7
 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
7. That's a good weapon, but it's not available in California
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 11:04 AM
Apr 2012

At least not without some significant functional alterations.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
8. From what I can tell, there's no semiautomatic version.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:20 PM
Apr 2012

That being the case, in practical terms it's not available anywhere in the USA...

(edit)

The guy in the video does say that they're working on a semiauto version...we'll see.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
11. I thought most Bullpups (e.g. Steyr AUG) were ambi ejectors?
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:46 PM
Apr 2012

I thought I read that the AUG was designed to eject left or right, with the slide of a panel, or at least that it was easy to reconfigure?

I'm a Southpaw rifle shooter too and spent a year plus with the older M-16's ejecting hot brass into my face, not good for your complexion. That's also why I have a Browning BPS that bottom ejects as my field and trap gun.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
9. Stop importing guns - especially this one .
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:24 PM
Apr 2012

It's just plain stupid to want one of these.

It's "too short" (wink wink)

yup

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
10. See? I *told* you the usual suspects would speak up on this!
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 12:25 PM
Apr 2012


BTW...are you calling for a ban on importation of all firearms?
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
13. Well until jpak posted, we just had a bunch of folks drooling over new lethal weapons they hope
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 01:51 PM
Apr 2012

to add to their cache someday.

 

Tejas

(4,759 posts)
15. YUP, BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 01:59 PM
Apr 2012

Now we have folks stereotyping gunowners as droolers.





as drooling idiots = as droolers

 

Tejas

(4,759 posts)
44. $3.95 a minute and I'll drool for you daddy...oooooooooohhh
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:28 AM
Apr 2012

Not sure what fantasy you have this week, all I've read so far is your usual condemnation for even looking at the pictures.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
57. I think it's a plastic piece of shit.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:11 PM
Apr 2012

But I wasn't going to buy it anyway. I like the new Beretta rifle.

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
17. And if there was a group that discussed cars, most folks would "drool" over a new sports car.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 02:32 PM
Apr 2012

This is a surprise...why?

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
31. I'm thinking at least three threads
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 04:21 AM
Apr 2012

will be started in H&M by people stepping over each other to be horrified. They wrshup gunzzzzzz!1! Ban them arllll!

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
35. Note that I put "drool" in quotes.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 10:11 AM
Apr 2012

So they don't make me drool as such, but I will freely admit that upon seeing pictures of some lethal weapons (which describe 99.9% of weapons since the spear was invented), my reaction is a desire to own them.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
28. DNRTFOP, did you? It's going to be manufactured in the US, not imported.
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 08:13 PM
Apr 2012

man·u·fac·ture (mann-you-fakt-chure)
v. man·u·fac·tured, man·u·fac·tur·ing, man·u·fac·tures
v.tr.
1.
a. To make or process (a raw material) into a finished product, especially by means of a large-scale industrial operation.
b. To make or process (a product), especially with the use of industrial machines.
2. To create, produce, or turn out in a mechanical manner: "His books seem to have been manufactured rather than composed" (Dwight Macdonald).
3. To concoct or invent; fabricate: manufacture an excuse.
v.intr.
To make or process goods, especially in large quantities and by means of industrial machines.
n.
1.
a. The act, craft, or process of manufacturing products, especially on a large scale.
b. An industry in which mechanical power and machinery are employed.
2. A product that is manufactured.
3. The making or producing of something.

 

ObamaFTW2012

(253 posts)
12. Being a lefty,
Tue Apr 3, 2012, 01:23 PM
Apr 2012

it's hard to find a bullpup rifle that doesn't put hot brass in my face. I would love to own a Tavor. Hurray for IMI!

 

Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
36. Half a dozen for sale at Gunbroker right now.
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 10:13 AM
Apr 2012

Apparently $1800 or so is what the market will bear at the moment...

Callisto32

(2,997 posts)
48. They try stuff other companies won't.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:11 AM
Apr 2012

Unfortunately, they should changer their corporate registration from Kel-Tec CNC to Kel-Tec Vaporware.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
33. I always thought of myself as
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 08:55 AM
Apr 2012

being more like the much brighter Al, just without the overbearing mother.

Xela

(831 posts)
38. Mixed feelings...
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 11:09 AM
Apr 2012

Good job creator, that's a plus. OK rifle. I like the FAMAS look better, even the Brit rifle has more flair.

But honestly, I would have preferred that the investment went into expanding national industries like making civilian legal M14's with solid, forged steel receivers, like the ones these guys make: http://www.lrbarms.com/

Xela

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
40. What is the difference between
Wed Apr 4, 2012, 02:00 PM
Apr 2012

a semi-auto m14 and an m1a?

I have never heard of anything refered to as a "semi-auto m14" before.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
46. What features cause this classification....
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 01:41 AM
Apr 2012

and by what mechanism do they accomplish this?

Specifics, please.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
51. Of course"nothing" he doesn't know enough to answer
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 11:55 AM
Apr 2012

such a question. So you get nothing except cartoons and silly faces. He believes it hides his ignorance of the subject matter, but all it does is emphasize it.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

Callisto32

(2,997 posts)
49. I'm concerned with the lack of a trigger guard.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:12 AM
Apr 2012

I think there ought to be a little more "guarding the trigger" going on.

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