Taking Guns Seriously

[fightthegoodfightnow]

Interesting Story

Crime victim calls 911.
Crime victim says assailant has gun when he doesn't.
Cops pursue suspect.
Suspect killed.
No gun.
Crime victim charged.

http://news.yahoo.com/911-caller-arrested-deadly-police-shooting-074541485.html

[gejohnston]

1. I'm confused

someone making a partly false 911 call has what to do with us? What's your point?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

4. You're Confused?

I posted the article to see what you and others think about it.
You've stated you are confused and question what it has to do with you.
Perhaps nothing.
If story or post doesn't interest you, fine....move on.

Here's what I think of the article:
Take all crime seriously regardless of whether a gun is involved.
Don't say you are being threatened with a gun when you are not.
Don't use a gun when it doesn't warrant being used.
Take personal responsibility for your words and/or actions (applies to all....victim, criminal and cops).

[gejohnston]

9. heater and show shovel sales must be brisk in Hell today

I agree with all four points. Normally cop shootings don't show up here unless Starbucks is mentioned.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

11. See

...not everything has to be a fight.

As for Starbucks...it could be a 7-11, in some places.....I think cOps like them more for the donuts. LOL.

[sarisataka]

13. My advice...

I agree with all four of your points.

I would add advice:

-don't run from the police, it gets them excited
-when the nice officer tells you to keep your hands where he can see them, KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE HE CAN SEE THEM
-if you decide to fib to the police about what happened, don't bitch about karma

I would agree with the calls for full investigations. From the article it makes it sound like the police were trigger happy but two officers from two different angle seemed to think the youth was going for a weapon. As with civilians, the officers should be presumed innocent but investigated if there is a racial angle. With holding the ethnicity of the officers makes me suspect there is a possibility.

[Atypical Liberal]

2. Lying to the police is a crime.

"Now, police are laying part of the blame for the fatal shooting on Carrillo, who they say admitted that he lied about the men being armed so officers would respond faster. "The actions of the 911 caller set the minds of the officers," police Chief Phillip Sanchez said."

[fightthegoodfightnow]

5. Yes

That's true.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

7. Also Interesting

One of the regular gun advocates argued that a 911 operator isn't really the police.

They argued that as a reason to defend the Florida 'stand your ground' gun stalker who didn't follow the 911 operators instructions to stop pursuing the hooded kid eventually killed.

[PavePusher]

12. Depends on jurisdiction.

Many (perhaps most?) places, 911 operators are NOT officers. Even if they are, orders given over a phone, by someone not an on-scene observer, are not likely to be legally binding, even if the advice given is good.

Is there a recording that has any cease/desist order on it? All I've heard is the "we don't need you to do that" comment. Not an order in any way. Stupid of Z to ignore it, agreed.

[eqfan592]

14. +1 (Nt)

[fightthegoodfightnow]

19. Stupid Indeed

...since this board is now unlocked, I can respond to your question about ...........GUNS (certainly it couldn't possibly be you who thought otherwise and petitioned to have this board locked).

[shadowrider]

20. A 911 operator is not a sworn police officer

and the statement "we don't need you to do that" was not an order but a suggestion. Available evidence suggests Zimmerman lost sight of Martin and was returning to his truck so he didn't do what he was told he didn't need to do. Everything after that is fuzzy.

Note I said "suggests". No one online was there. I keep my mind open till the facts (many of which won't be known until trial (if there is one)).

[fightthegoodfightnow]

21. Depends on the Jurisdiction

911 operators are officers in some places.

The fact that no one was there (as you acknowledge) is EXACTLY what is wrong with stand your ground laws. It's a one sided story.

Tell me is Martin going to be given the opportunity to testify at this trial you seem to think may not happen?

[shadowrider]

23. You and I disagree. I think the fact that no one was there

is the reason SYG laws ARE needed.

No harm, no foul.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

25. Well

....thank goodness this board is unlocked so we can express our opinion about guns and gun laws.

SYG laws presume the force is justifiable when it may not be.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

42. The board was never locked. YOUR thread ONLY was locked.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

43. Tomato.....tomatoe

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[Tuesday Afternoon]

47. obtuseness

you haz it.

[sarisataka]

30. 9 out of 10?

were there gusty winds or did you have a flyer just outside the black?

To agree with both points
-I support SYG, but not with blanket immunity.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

22. Oh

...and ...since this board is now unlocked, I can respond to your question about ...........GUNS (certainly it couldn't possibly be you who thought otherwise and petitioned to have this board locked).

Glad we can agree this conversation is about..........guns.

[PavePusher]

27. How many people are you going to accuse of this? n/t

[fightthegoodfightnow]

28. Accuse?

Obviously....you didn't read my post. I CLEARED you of it because we both agree the discussion is about guns.

[Atypical Liberal]

39. The 911 operators aren't police. Making false police reports through them is still a crime.

Often the 911 dispatchers are not police officers, and in many places, Sanford being one, you are not legally obligated to follow their instructions.

It is still illegal to make false reports of crime to the police through 911.

[PavePusher]

3. If you have a point, you should bring it out now. n/t

[fightthegoodfightnow]

6. Already have.

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[oneshooter]

8. So if the bad guy says he has a gun, and none is visable,do you want us to believe it,

And react accordingly? Or wait till he produces the firearm and fires it.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[fightthegoodfightnow]

10. Pick a Fight with Someone Else

I made no such claim.

[oneshooter]

15. What claim? Just a simple question.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

33. nice way to Participate in your own thread...

some discussion you have going here.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

35. So you are participating but not saying anything

.....about guns or the story....

[Tuesday Afternoon]

40. how's this for a comment --

shitty policeman try to lay blame on traumatized victim.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

44. Otherwise It Might Be the Fault of SYG Supporters

Gun advocates are always blaming the professional cops who just never quite do the work of citizens like Zimmerman who is now using a law created by gun advocates to get away with murder.....but heh....let's blame the professional cops.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

46. would you rather blame the traumatized victim?

you are a real gem. yes, indeed.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

52. The Victim?

You mean like Mr. Martin?


Here's what I think of the article:
Take all crime seriously regardless of whether a gun is involved.
Don't say you are being threatened with a gun when you are not.
Don't use a gun when it doesn't warrant being used.
Take personal responsibility for your words and/or actions (applies to all....victim, criminal and cops).

Do you have a different opinion?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

18. Now

...since this board is now unlocked, I can respond to your question about ...........GUNS (certainly it couldn't possibly be you who thought otherwise and petitioned to have this board locked).

The bad guy didn't say he had a gun. The crime victim falsely claimed his assailant had a gun.

[PavePusher]

26. How many people are you going to accuse of this? n/t

[Tuesday Afternoon]

32. btw, this Thread is unlocked. The Board has always been open.

Do carry on.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

36. No .....it hasn't

See post 16

[Tuesday Afternoon]

41. do you not understand the difference between a thead and the board?

This is your thread. It is on a message board called DU. DU was not locked but, your thread was locked by Krispos, who after your appeal decided to unlock it, because he caters to the gun control crowd.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

45. Good for You

Now back to guns ......

Gun advocates are always blaming the professional cops who just never quite do the work of citizens like Zimmerman who is now using a law created by gun advocates to get away with murder.....but heh....let's blame the professional cops.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

48. back to RKBA --

and the way Krispos caters to the Gun Control Crowd.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

49. Funny

According to You. LOL.

So predictable. You say back to the RKBAs and then nothing about the RKBAs -just some childish, sarcastic comment about the moderator. Good luck with that approach.

I've had two threads locked (and latter unlocked) and you seem to think he has a bias against your point of view. Too funny.

I think there is a right to keep and bear arms but that right is not absolute and it comes with responsibilities. You may disagree. Keep your points to that rather than who you dislike.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

51. I never said I disliked anyone.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

I also, have had threads locked in this group but, I never considered appealing them. Thanks for giving me the idea. Perhaps, I wll be more interested in trying to have my own thread.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

53. Go For It

Newsflash:

You can start a thread.
You can appeal it being locked.

And I'll support your right to say what I've spent a lifetime opposing.

Now shall we....about that right to keep those guns you like so much.....

[Tuesday Afternoon]

56. . . .

tis a lovely day where I live. Ciao!

[fightthegoodfightnow]

57. You too....

.....see you back in what .......five minutes?

Then can we talk about guns?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

50. The Article

Here's what I think of the article:

Take all crime seriously regardless of whether a gun is involved.
Don't say you are being threatened with a gun when you are not.
Don't use a gun when it doesn't warrant being used.
Take personal responsibility for your words and/or actions (applies to all....victim, criminal and cops).

What do you think?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

54. agreed.

Have a good day.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

55. See

I knew we could agree on some things.

[krispos42]

16. Locking

While an interesting story, it's one that would seem to be looking for a home in GD Forum or the California, African-American, or Civil Rights Groups, as it does not relate to the SoP of this Group.

Regards,
Krispos42, Gungeon Host

[krispos42]

17. I've decided to unlocked this after an appeal.

The OPer believes this thread has merit as discussion a police shooting, so I've decided to unlock it.

Regards,
Krispos42, Gungeon Host

[Tuesday Afternoon]

24. maybe the OPer thinks so but, this group member disagrees.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

29. Then don't Participate if you don't want to

Statement of Purpose

Discuss gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.

-----that is EXACTLY what this post is about.....

The actions of a crime victim who falsely accused his attacker of having a gun to the police.
The necessity of law enforcement to employ deadly force to stop him using a gun.
The assailant not having a gun to defend himself (irony of ironies).

Guns...guns...guns.

Violence and crime all the way around by any fair and reasonable person.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

31. touchy. touchy.

my. my.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

34. I guess your pycho-analysis of me...

....is all you have when you don't want to discuss guns, board topic or relevancy.....my my indeed.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

37. you guess?

I shot my .22 today.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

38. Good to know

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