It may not be relevant to RKBA but,

[gejohnston]

seems it is less about SYG and more about campaign finance with a little race on the side. I found this in GD.

On MSNBC this evening, Al Sharpton and Lawrence O'Donnell provided several remarkable revelations about the killing of Trayvon Martin.

First, it turns out that Zimmerman's dad, a retired Virginia judge, apparently belongs to the 1 percent. He now lives in an upscale town adjacent to the scene of the killing, Sanford Florida.

This family tie turns out to be the likely reason George Zimmerman was not arrested, even though lead homicide investigator Chris Serino (spelling?) submitted an affadavit concluding that Zimmerman should be charged with at least manslaughter.

On the Sunday night of the shooting, Chief of Police Bill Lee went to the scene of the shooting and apparently overruled his lead homicide investigator and prevented Zimmerman's arrest. The Chief apparently consulted State's Attorney Norman Wolfinger, who's running for re-election.

So in this case, it seems that the rank and file is not a problem, but the head dude?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=488178

[baldguy]

1. The NRA/GOP/Top 1% wants more guns in the hands of more of the 99%.

Not so the 99% can defend themselves, but to make it easier for the 99% to kill each other.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

2. hmmmm---

that is pretty condescending of you to think that the 99% are that stupid.

[baldguy]

4. No, just people who think that guns exist to protect them.

[Callisto32]

13. Just, wow.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

23. You said it. You own it. It is all on you.

[rl6214]

28. I think people are pretty stupid who don't think that guns exist to protect them.

[Cirque du So-What]

21. You can find variations on that theme in this forum

One version: the general population is so stupid that they'll lose interest in Trayvon Martin's once the next shiny object comes along.

[eqfan592]

3. The post that landed you on my ignore list.

You seem physically incapable of responding to any post about firearms in a rational manner, and this post only serves to underscore that. It is also almost completely off topic.

[baldguy]

5. No great loss.

[rl6214]

29. I don't put him on ignore just for the comedic relief

[gejohnston]

6. don't worry

once the Kochs and their buddies take us back to the gilded aged and bring back company towns, they will go after the guns too.
http://www.haymarketbooks.org/pb/The-Labor-Wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

[PavePusher]

7. Irrelevent to the topic at hand.

Please stay on-point, thnxkby.

[baldguy]

8. "First, it turns out that Zimmerman's dad, a retired Virginia judge, apparently belongs to the 1%"

Try READING the OP before you post.

[friendly_iconoclast]

9. What about your "good" 1%er, Mike Bloomberg? Doesn't quite jibe with your mythology...

...does he?

[baldguy]

11. And your gun-loving pal Dick Cheney?

I'll take rational progressives & Democrats who support reasonable gun control measures - even if they happen to be rich - because they're rational progressives & Democrats! Look at the top of the page, bucko, and discover the board you're posting on.

[Hoyt]

12. +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[friendly_iconoclast]

14. Like 'reasonable' terror suspect lists? The ones *you* were against before you were for them?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3031131#3032492

baldguy Sun Jan-30-05 09:31 PM

25. People are harassed, investigated & arrested for their political beliefs.

Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 09:34 PM by baldguy
Held anonymously without charge, trial, or communication with the outside world.

The President's press secretary says that people should watch what they say, or else - and the press is too afraid to say anything.

People are prevented from traveling freely because they are on a gov't list.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=431371&mesg_id=431380

baldguy Donating Member Sat Jun-25-11 03:18 PM

4. The TSA's No-Fly list is entirely different than the FBI's Terrorist Watch List.

Trying to conflate the two is RW propaganda.

Are you laboring under the impression there's some other Michael Bloomberg? Because the one I've been reading about here
at DU doesn't seem all that "progressive" to me:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117224594

...Bloomie's a man of many parts, it seems. Do you know he has his own army?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x5076002

Mayor Bloomberg: 'I Have My Own Private Army' (in NYPD)

Source: PolitickerNY

Mayor Bloomberg: ‘I Have My Own Army’

By Hunter Walker 10:06am

In a speech at MIT last night to discuss the packed sweepstakes to build a tech campus in New York City, Mayor Bloomberg said he prefers City Hall to the White House. Almost immediately after Mayor Bloomberg dampened recent speculation he’s eyeing a White House bid, he added fuel to the fire by explaining why a mayor would be the best person for the job.

Mayor Bloomberg’s recent criticism of President Obama for allowing the debt reduction Supercommittee to fail led many political tea leaf watchers to believe he’s eyeing a potential White House bid. To the dismay of those who hope he’ll mount presidential campaign, Mayor Bloomberg began his speech last night by discussing why City Hall is just fine by him.

“I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world. I have my own State Department, much to Foggy Bottom’s annoyance. We have the United Nations in New York, and so we have an entree into the diplomatic world that Washington does not have,” Mayor Bloomberg said....


http://www.politicker.com/2011/11/30/mayor-bloomberg-i-have-my-own-army-11-30-11/

And what has "his" army been doing? Why, investigating people for their political beliefs!- a practice you used to decry...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002461812

NYPD Infiltrated and Spied on Liberal Groups

Last edited Fri Mar 23, 2012, 04:18 PM USA/ET

The AP (via CBS) notes that undercover cops went to liberal political groups' meetings, building intel files on activists and protesters.

The newswire says that interviews and docs collected during the investigation "show how police have used counterterrorism tactics to monitor even lawful activities."

The AP points out that the NYPD used these same tactics in 2004, when the department monitored church, environmental, and anti-war groups in the U.S., claiming these policies were necessary to prep for the GOP convention.

But these methods continued far after the convention took place: in 2008, the NYPD's super-secret intel department sent an undercover officer to attend the People's Summit in New Orleans. The project report gathered information on two U.S. activists, journalist Jordan Flaherty and labor organizer Marisa Franco, the AP notes....

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/nypd_spied_on_l.php

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57403085/docs-show-nypd-infiltrated-liberal-groups/?tag=contentMain;contentBody

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101480663

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101481530


So how long have we been at war with Eastasia, again?

[baldguy]

15. This is the definition of "taking statements out of context".

How very Republican of you.

[friendly_iconoclast]

18. So investigating people for their political beliefs is "progressive" when Bloomie orders it...

...but when Shrub and Darth Cheney did it, it was a sign of an unfree country? Brings to mind the following quote:

"We have to understand," she explained, "that there are differences between capitalist lobotomies and socialist lobotomies."

[X_Digger]

22. No, this is the definition of someone 'calling you on your bullshit'. n/t

[gejohnston]

16. so are you saying these are not rational progressives or Democrats?

JFK, Gore Vidal, Tennessee Williams


Eleeanor Roosevelt practicing with the revolver she carried CCW until her death.


FDR

[friendly_iconoclast]

20. Here's two more photos of El and Franklin packing heat (and one of Eleanor's CCW application)

Seems like the search function isn't our interlocutor's friend...

[DonP]

24. Who knew! FDR favored the '03 Springfield

So did Teddy from what I've read.

Good to know.

Makes the one in my gun cabinet seem all that much more special.

It's my favorite for High Power matches.

[Straw Man]

26. Looks like he's sporting a Mosin Nagant ...

... in Post #16. I wonder what the story is there.

[rl6214]

30. Certainly would be interestng to know

I too own a few.

[gejohnston]

31. the caption just said that he was

holding a Mosin Nagant. I guess he owned one.

[Straw Man]

32. That's a youngish FDR in that pic.

I wonder if the Mosin could be one of the ones that Remington produced under contract for the Tsarist army. They were never delivered because the Revolution intervened.

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareUSRemington.htm

The US government bought them so as not to leave Remington holding the bag. The "American Mosin" is a rare and collectible rifle anyway, but can you imagine the value of one that was owned by FDR? Hmm ...

[oneshooter]

25. I have asked you this before.

What do "reasonable gun control measures"consist of to you?

Would really like to know.

Oneshooter

[ileus]

17. So you're saying only the 1% own firearms?

[baldguy]

19. ^ ^ ^ Another one who can't read. ^ ^ ^

[rl6214]

27. Now it's the NRA/GOP AND the Top 1%

When are you guys going to decide WHO is to blame. I can't keep track of all the boogie men.

I am none of the above and I want the 99% to have all the guns they want, not more guns in the hands of the 99%.

[hack89]

34. Since gun violence is at historic lows, it does not appear to be working. nt

[baldguy]

36. If "gun violence is at historic lows", then people have no reason to carry firearms.

You can't have it both ways.

[friendly_iconoclast]

37. And when the Senate confirms you as Secretary of Need, your opinion will matter.

In the meantime you and those that feel as you do are perfectly free to not carry firearms.

[hack89]

38. Why not?

if more people carrying guns does does not lead to more gun violence, why should you care? After all, it's the gun violence that concerns you, right? Or do you simply want to disarm people because you don't like guns?

You have never been safer. Put aside your fear.

[baldguy]

39. The poster claims that the threat having a gun is supposed to gaurd against doesn't exist.

For the vast majority of the country, anyway. There is no conceivable reason for your boy George Zimmerman to have been carrying a gun.

And in places where gun violence IS a problem, more guns - coming from irresponsible jurisdictions with lax gun laws - only make things worse.

[hack89]

40. But two decades of more guns have not made things worse.

even in high crime areas, gun violence has shown a long steady decline since the 1990's. Two decades of gun controller warnings of blood in the street have not come to fruition.

BTW - "because" is a perfectly acceptable reason when it comes to civil liberties. That's the beauty of them - you don't have to justify exercising them to the state - "need" is totally irrelevant.

[baldguy]

41. I guess being able to live w/o the threat of being shot at by some yahoo isn't a civil liberty?

Guns shouldn't have greater rights & liberties than human beings.

[gejohnston]

42. you had a greater chance of that before

and in places were the laws are very strict. Did DC and Chicago murder rates drop in murder after their handgun bans? Did repealing South Carolina's handgun ban in 1965 cause murder skyrocket there?

[hack89]

43. The right to self defense is also a civil liberty.

the Supreme Court has said that guns can be regulated. The present laws seem to be working just fine as seen by their result on gun violence.

Guns don't have rights. Humans do. I have the right to own guns.

[baldguy]

44. Trayvon Martin's rights really helped him, didn't they?

[hack89]

45. Laws and rights are not magic shields

that protect people from bad things happening to them. There will always be individual tragedies like this. The question is whether society, in the balance, is harmed or not. There are people that are alive today because they had guns to protect themselves and their families. Don't they count too?

[MicaelS]

10. No surprise, the powerful alway protect their children

When they fuck up. Case in point, Joran Van Der Sloot and Natalie Holloway. His father protected him, and probably helped him dispose of her body after wards. This freed him up to kill Stephany Flores in Peru.

[pneutin]

33. Cite please?

On the Sunday night of the shooting, Chief of Police Bill Lee went to the scene of the shooting and apparently overruled his lead homicide investigator and prevented Zimmerman's arrest. The Chief apparently consulted State's Attorney Norman Wolfinger, who's running for re-election.

Going to need a cite for this. First time hearing about it.

[gejohnston]

35. I found it in GD

and the original OP said they saw it on Lawrence O'Donnell. Could not find one then, but found these this morning.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/newsnation/46883285
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/28/453675/sanford-police-recommended-charging-zimmerman-with-martins-death/

It would explain how Zimmerman's assaulting a cop and domestic violence charges disappearing. Had the latter not disappeared and he were convicted, possessing a gun would come a federal felony.