Of interest to this group.

[russ1943]

Gun nation: Inside America's gun-carry culture
The 7 PAGE cover story in the Mar. 12 weekly edition of The Christian Science Monitor.
This lengthy article IMO is more pro gun than I expected from what I consider a reputable source. It includes a short quiz on the 2nd Amendment that I scored 11 of 12. The article is a good/fair read on the state of gun carrying in the US.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2012/0311/Gun-nation-Inside-America-s-gun-carry-culture

[spin]

1. The quiz was interesting ...

I scored 7 out of 10 so the quiz might have been altered since you took it since there were not 12 questions.

Many of the questions were about states that I do not live in. Of course I would research the laws in other states if I planned to visit them. Currently I am mostly interested in the laws in Florida and Georgia. I live in Florida but do occasionally travel into Georgia. I might have done better if I had read the article before taking the test.

I did take the time to skim the article and my impression is that it was relatively fair and balanced. I agree that it is a "good/fair" read.

edited for typo

[pipoman]

6. There are 2 quizs

one with 10 questions mainly dealing with the article, like a quiz given by a teacher to be sure the article was read, and one about the 2nd with 12 questions.

[spin]

8. I found the second quiz ...

and also scored 11 out of 12.

[Simo 1939_1940]

2. Have to disagree that it is a fair article, given that the phrase

"can't leave the house without strapping on a gun or two" isn't found within.

But seriously -- solid piece.

[shadowrider]

3. You forgot

Can't leave the car without toting a gun or two

[jeepnstein]

34. I didn't find "Rude toter cowboy wannabe" either.

It was obvious the writer was not a gun person but I think they did a relatively good job of staying in some sort of balance. That's rare in what passes for journalism these days.

[Starboard Tack]

62. Or leaving one under the seat for junior

[Hoyt]

4. Not much time, but the guy who is "ready for a cataclysm every day" is sick.

"Part of it is being ready for cataclysm every day," says GXXX, a hospital maintenance engineer. "And to be honest, I started carrying precisely to protect not just myself, but my family, and anyone around me who needs help."

When is the gun-carrying culture going to understand society doesn't want you protecting us with your friggin guns. Jeeeeez

Only got through a few paragraphs before laughing out loud.

[Callisto32]

5. Hmm, fascinating.

Aesop had something to say about that kind of thinking, grasshopper.

[DWC]

15. Touche' in a BIG way. LMAO !!! n/t

[pipoman]

7. Apparently you wish to remain in your fantasy world

that somehow gun control is a progressive position which is gaining momentum, when in fact it is antiquated think which is permanently in the dust bin of failed ideology.

edit..I believe further, that we'll will be seeing reversal due to public pressure in countries held out by control advocates as being ahead of the US on gun control issues (Canada, UK, Austrailia, etc.)

[Hoyt]

42. It's more progressive than folks who make jokes about a kid getting shot by a yahoo with a gun.

[gejohnston]

44. what jokes are these?

The nearest thing to such a joke was made on your side.

[Hoyt]

48. Ask your buddy above.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=416158

[gejohnston]

49. I missed the joke

but it is under investigation. I don't see anyone rooting the shooter. One lesson about Florida:
people who live in gated communities are not rednecks, that is an oxymoron. Most of the people who live in gated communities and trailer parks alike in Florida, did not grow up there. If this guy is a racist, he learned it growing up in the Northeast.
The ones that live in the area live are almost all transplants from New York, Mass, and urban parts of Ohio. The same is true of Arizona, including Jan Brewer.

[Hoyt]

50. So you don't find post #2 at that link in very poor tasted when an unarmed man has been shot

dead by one of the gun-carrying culture? When callous people carry guns, you are asking for trouble.

[gejohnston]

52. I'm guessing there is a poster named skittles.....................

pipoman
2. Has skittles posted since this incident?

Is he OK?

[Hoyt]

53. Bull.

[oneshooter]

54. You are wrong, as usual. Skittles has been a member since 2001.

Your still wrong. Want to try again?

[Hoyt]

55. So. Cracking a joke over a kid shot by gun carrying ass is poor taste.

Although not unexpected from crowd here.

[PavePusher]

58. Yes, it's a very serious subject.

Any attempt to lighten the mood is probably a plot of some sort to undermine the moral fabric of our nation.

[ellisonz]

60. And then there's my favorite "mood lightener"

(Note to jurors: I, for one, don't think jokes about an unarmed young black man being shot to death by a toter are funny. This isn't 4chan or FreiRepublic - This is DU)

[pipoman]

64. And who exactly

made "jokes about an unarmed young black man being shot to death by a toter"?

[ellisonz]

65. I actually...

...take much more offense to the notion that this is something that requires a lengthy and vehement defense. The joke was funny, the persistent defense thereof, not so much.

Any attempt to lighten the mood is probably a plot of some sort to undermine the moral fabric of our nation.

Talk about apologetics which is defined as a "systematic argumentative discourse in defense (as of a doctrine)," which in this case is that gun violence is somehow not a product of the gun culture.

Not gunning (bad pun) for you...

[gejohnston]

66. having a gun does not make you part of the gun culture

like the suburbanite who sees crime stories an TV news, buys a pistol, throws it in the sock drawer where it sits for the next 30 years.

[pipoman]

67. I find it childish and petty

to carry this poutrage around for a week like an 8 year old, post after post concerning one poster's child like preoccupation with this very forgettable and not that offensive post in another forum.

[ellisonz]

68. I find it childish and petty

to continually engage in argument who you have no hope of reconciling beliefs with like a child preoccupied with with pulling the family dog's tail.

[pipoman]

69. Yet you remain here..

[ellisonz]

70. Yep...

[pipoman]

56. Oh, an I hurt your

wittle feewings with my response, so you ran to teacher crying, huh? So fragile your sensibilities. So caring of others. You know there are rules about following people from one thread to another continuing an argument, but hey, I'm a grown assed man and won't be alerting like a 4 year old.

I notice you didn't even address the point I made in this post. You loose every time you post in this forum...guess what that makes you?

[Hoyt]

57. I've never alerted on anyone. Don't have to because others do

You haven't answered my question either - what's funny about a bully with a gun shooting unarmed kid?

[ellisonz]

59. "You know there are rules about following people from one thread to another continuing an argument"

Not anymore. Welcome to DU3

[Starboard Tack]

63. Don't hold your breath on that.

[PavePusher]

9. Perhaps you could wear an arm band in a bright scarlet shade....

so we'll know not to help you.

After all, you seem so concerned about it. Start a movement....

[Atypical Liberal]

10. But you trust your government to do it.

When is the gun-carrying culture going to understand society doesn't want you protecting us with your friggin guns. Jeeeeez

But you trust your government to do this. Why do you not trust individuals to do it?

Only got through a few paragraphs before laughing out loud.

This is called "willful ignorance".

[Hoyt]

20. "Willful Ignorance?" What do you call folks who carry a gun?

I trust people whose job is on the line to protect the citizenry more than some yahoo who thinks he's suppose to protect the citizenry. Police wannabes -- like the racist ass in Florida who shot a kid for being Black -- aren't safe.

[gejohnston]

21. what racist is this?

where in Florida?

[Hoyt]

43. There are only 10 or so threads on this. Here's one for you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=74863

A couple of your buddies were over there defending the racist who shot an unarmed teenager for no reason.

[gejohnston]

46. I read no such thing,

I only read explaining how the Florida law works, and that it is under investigation.

[Atypical Liberal]

23. "smart"

I trust people whose job is on the line to protect the citizenry more than some yahoo who thinks he's suppose to protect the citizenry.

CCW permit holders are less likely to cause collateral damage in a shootout and are less likely to be involved in crime than police officers.

[rl6214]

24. You wanna post a link to the "racist ass in florida" you are refering to or

are you just making shit up again to fit your agenda?

[Hoyt]

45. See post #43. Some of gunners were over there defending shooter, one even made a joke about

the poor kid who was killed by another fucker with a gun.

[gejohnston]

47. sorry, I missed it.

41. As neighborhood watch captain, Zimmerman was not responsible for "keeping the peace in neighborhood"

He was responsible for helping the neighborhood watch program, period. That means he was supposed to call 911 if he saw anything suspicious, period. I helped found a Neighborhood Watch program. The "captains" aren't supposed to confront people they deem to be suspicious. They're supposed to call 911. This is made very clear when the groups are set up.


Response to yardwork (Reply #41)Wed Mar 14, 2012, 03:47 PM
slackmaster


43. Maybe the rules for 911 are different where you live

In San Diego we use it only for true emergencies, or felonies in progress.

In post 43, slackmaster explains that in San Diego, seeing something suspicious is not a reason to call 911, but should call the dispatch desk number. I see no defense, and no jokes.

[jeepnstein]

33. It's not the police's job to protect you.

We aren't in any way shape or form responsible for your safety unless you are taken into custody. So you're on your own out their. The police can come and take a report, maybe arrest someone, maybe even get a conviction, but they are really not all that good at preventing crime. If you want "professional" security, hire a bodyguard.

[Hoyt]

36. It's darn sure not your job or that of the fool in the article. Get real.

[gejohnston]

37. you don't read posts very closely do you?

When Jeep said it is not "our job" the plural "our" meant the police. He is a cop.

[Hoyt]

38. And, you don't understand things. It may not be the police's job, but it's not some yahoo's either.

The stupid fool in the article says he's ready to protect the populace -- he is not, he's a fuck head with a gun that has an inflated view of why he totes.

As to the policeman. If he really feels that way, think he has a crummy attitude to be honest. I've ridden with a policeman -- my father in law most often. They do look for suspicious people, they do have stakeouts, they do stop and question people, they do impede crime by being visible on the streets if nothing else, etc.

If the policeman you referred to merely sees his job as taking a report -- I suggest he find another job because he's in the way. Put someone else in his position who has a better attitude.

My honest opinion is that he doesn't see his job as just taking reports and cleaning up after the fact, but he's on here trying to promote more people with guns, etc., so that's his line of BS. Again, if he really sees his job that way -- he needs to let someone with a better attitude and sense of purpose take over.

[oneshooter]

39. Like you, when you "run down and detain" people

so that you can "check their papers".

So, how many have you detained so far?

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[shadowrider]

40. I remember him saying that.

[jeepnstein]

41. Better Attitude?

Your expertise with field stripping a 1911 under water is apparently just the tip of the iceberg with you. Now you are an expert on all matter of police work because your father-in-law let you take a ride with him in a real Police Car? Did he let you play with the siren?

Stakeouts, field interviews, traffic stops, and yes, just cruising on patrol is all part of the job but it isn't just some random act. It's done most often in reaction to a certain crime or trend. Police work is more reactionary than preventative. And we do, in fact, drop what we're doing and respond very quickly to some kinds of calls. Problem is most of those calls come too late to make a difference. It's a great feeling to catch someone in the act and one of the reasons most cops stay on the job, but it's a rare event. Most days you just push paper.

I have no problem with lawful citizens being armed. I can't say I ever had a bad interaction with a legal CCW holder after the first couple of months the law went into effect. They're not the problem. Never have been and never will be.

[friendly_iconoclast]

51. That's funny, you were claiming the exact opposite a few months ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x471849#471995

Further, every citizen should report anyone carrying a gun in public -- Maybe even hold them until police arrive.

I can haz situational ethics?

[MicaelS]

11. OTOH, this could be a direct quote from you...

For Joe Binns, that means no Colt .45 under his coat. A retired coal miner from Pennsylvania who spends his winters in Garner, Mr. Binns believes all guns – even hunting rifles – should be locked in the local police station. If someone wants to shoot a deer or turkey, they can go down to the station house and check out their Browning or Springfield.

"Guns everywhere, it's ridiculous," he says. "If you're in trouble, call the cops."

Talk about laughing about loud.

[Hoyt]

13. There's a man with guts, sense, perspective, and more.

[spin]

14. He may also be a tempting target for an armed criminal...

but I will agree that he has every right to his views.

[Hoyt]

16. Bull. He's no more tempting than anyone else. Criminals don't peruse news looking for unarmed target

Guy has a lot of guts for standing up to those in the gun-carrying culture who can't image going to a restaurant, movie, public park, church, etc., without a gun.

[shadowrider]

18. Just out of curiosity

Do you have a sign in front of your house that proclaims there are no guns inside? If not, why not?

[Hoyt]

19. I don't have any signs outside my house. And if I did, I'd still be just as safe as now.

Last edited Thu Mar 15, 2012, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't think such a sign would put me in any more danger. Heck, if it doubles the risk -- it would still be infinitesimal. If you were a criminal, would you break into someone's house crazy enough to put a sign outside that says "no guns within, no guard dog, no cameras, lots of money laying around, helpless man only inhabitant."

[shadowrider]

29. I was just curious, that's all.

No harm, no foul.

[rl6214]

25. Who the fuck is he "standing up to"?

I suppose you think you are "standing up to the gun-carrying culture" by posting on the internet.

[Hoyt]

27. sure ticks some gun people off. I think he was quoted.

what do you want him to do, lead a national movement to treat gun carriers like those who wore fur coats some years ago.

[Remmah2]

12. I only prepare for armagedon on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

None of this full time stuff.

[Hoyt]

17. Congratulations. Now try to go a whole week, then a month and before long you'll be free.

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. Try going a whole week without attempting societal cleansing, then a month...

and before long you'll be free.

[Hoyt]

28. But not free of those who carry guns.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

32. you will never be free of those who carry guns, Hoyt. How could that ever happen?

Guns, for better or worse, are here to stay. Indiviuals, make up our government and our police and our military. They are us and, we are them.

[Remmah2]

35. Free of what?

You're assumimg my armagedon preparation involve stockpiling of bullets and bazooks?

Those are the days I go shopping at Aldi's. Beans, rice, beef jerky. I've got two teenagers at home, the clean out the refrigerator and cupboards weekly. Armagedon will happen if I don't keep feeding those teens.

BTW: Once again you assumed wrong.

[Logical]

22. Hardly any gun story, unless 100% pro-gun, is accepted by many here. I like reading....

both sides. Even thought I lean pro-CCW I am not an open carry fan.

[Callisto32]

31. Agreed.

I can think of only very few situations where I would opt for open carry. Nearly all of them include the concept "on my own property."

[Callisto32]

30. I've never understood hate for the CSM.

Sure, MBE was off her rocker, but their journalism is rare, these days.

Thanks for the tip on the interesting and well-researched article.

[DWC]

61. Really Excellent, balanced article.

I think it has accurately taken a "snap shot" of the National Attitude.

Semper Fi,