Parents Could Be Held Liable for Leaving Loaded Gun With Young Kids

[SecularMotion]

An impending bill in Tennessee could make parents liable for leaving loaded guns in areas where their children have access. The new legislation is aimed at stopping cases of accidental firing of young individuals.

According to WMC Action News 5, parents in the said state will be more responsible in handling and storing their guns once the bill is passed. It noted that moms and dads could face criminal charges if they violate the said law.

To date, there are reportedly 27 states which have the same law and Tennessee is expected to send this bill to the Senate this coming month. "If you're going to have a gun, you should be held accountable for what's done with the gun," said resident Talisha Ingram in the WMC Action News 5 report.

It was also noted that Memphis Senator Sara Kyle and Nashville Rep. Sherry Jones are the two persons behind the passing of the bill. They are bent on punishing parents and guardians who leave their loaded guns accessible to youngsters 13 years old and below.

http://www.parentherald.com/articles/23895/20160228/parents-could-be-held-liable-for-leaving-loaded-gun-with-young-kids.htm

[rjsquirrel]

1. As they absolutely should be

Jail, loss of kids, loss of all future gun rights.

Do you leave attack dogs around your kids when you go out? Acetylene torches? Meat slicers?


Guns are a sexual fetish object for many Americans. They don't even understand what guns can do until their dead kid or friend is lying in the ground. Most American gun owners have never experienced a shot fired in anger and have no idea if they could keep their shit under pressure. Instead guns are toys and fantasy objects to make them "feel" tough and strong and safe.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

2. Still angry?

[rjsquirrel]

3. Lol yeah

You mad bro?

Dead kids make me angry.

Ignored now.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

4. No not at all

Just having coffee,

FWIW, the "LOL" and "yeah" answer to being angry kind of doesn't fit.

[ileus]

8. Guns are meant to be life saving devices, only a sick twisted individual would use them

or think of them as a sexual object.



My kids say home with the DDR GSD and firearms. They have to go out to the garage to get to the cutting torches and mig.

Our meat slicers all have handles and store in the cabinets so I guess they have access to those also. LOL

[Marengo]

10. Have you experienced a "shot fired in anger"?

If so, under what circumstances?

[rjsquirrel]

11. None of your business

which is the only answer someone who might be able to say yes to that question should be giving.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

12. Here's a better question

Have you ever experienced being a parent?

[JonathanRackham]

23. One has to find a mate first.

[Marengo]

13. How mysterious! Not even a single, small clue as to your experience?

Military? LEO? Nothing?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. Perhaps a SEGA sniper???

[Marengo]

16. LOL! Who totally owns the cool story bro map.

Head shots, all!

[rjsquirrel]

15. Interesting right?

A key feature of Internet discourse is that anyone can claim nearly anything they want with no accountability. For example, many gun nutters claim military experience, as did many of the nutters who occupied Malheur with Ammon and the Ammosexuals. Many times such people are lying, or they grossly inflate honorable behind-the-lines experience to include ferocious combat they never saw. It's a macho posturing thing and most actual combat vets do NOT go around bragging about what they've seen. In fact many refuse to ever talk about it at all except with people who were there.

So I could tell you my stories and you could decide whether to believe me entirely based on whether you agreed with me politically.

A close friend of mine was just shot to death, for example, which has me spitting mad at gun nuttery. Do you believe me? It happens to be true.

As I sometimes say in gun arguments I am no stranger to guns. Which is why I think most gun nutters are lying about their own levels of experience or confusing playing Call of Duty with reality. It's all mostly masculine fantasy compensation.

[Marengo]

17. I think it would benefit the authority of you viewpoint to share you experiences

Your decision of course, but from my perspective your authenticity is questionable. In all honesty, your discourse sounds scripted.

[rjsquirrel]

18. Scripted?

All written discourse is scripted.

And you just proved my point. You don't agree with me so you can choose to reject anything I say as untrue. That's how the gun nutter "script" plays out. At the extreme it's the Sandy Hook Truther bullshit syndrome.

I won't play your game. My claim is that most gun nutters who insist that a gun makes them safer have no experience of guns used in aggressive ways and have no idea how they would react in a threat situation. That's a proven fact.

Rhetorical games: get me to claim some specific experience and then say I'm lying. It's the "scripted" NRA playbook.

Here's how those who know can tell what I have seen: I never want to talk about it.

[Marengo]

25. Your reluctance to share ANY detail about an experience so critical..

to forming the viewpoint you express here (two dimensional as it is) can be regarded as suspicious. If military, at least the branch and date of service would be very beneficial for you. Or is that too traumatizing?

[beevul]

29. "You don't agree with me so you can choose to reject anything I say as untrue."

You don't agree with me so you can choose to reject anything I say as untrue.

Says the poster who puts everyone they disagree with on ignore.

[rjsquirrel]

32. Including you

I'm not interested in whether anyone agrees with me. It's a badge of honor to draw hostile incoming fire from RKBA nutters.

Ok I can tell you I'm an astronaut and Inown this bar. Now prove me wrong.


Bye

[theatre goon]

24. You're assuming...

...that this person is trying to make any point at all, apart from hurling juvenile insults.

I think it's pretty obvious from the posts that this is not the intent, so authenticity is... well... moot.

I am particularly amused by his or her declarations that they are infuriating others, who show no such fury, and then making it a point to state that they have been ignored. Yep, that'll learn 'em!

[Straw Man]

35. Translation.

It's a macho posturing thing and most actual combat vets do NOT go around bragging about what they've seen. In fact many refuse to ever talk about it at all except with people who were there.

As I sometimes say in gun arguments I am no stranger to guns. Which is why I think most gun nutters are lying about their own levels of experience or confusing playing Call of Duty with reality. It's all mostly masculine fantasy compensation.

In other words, "My macho posturing is more real than their macho posturing because I wrap it in a cloak of bullshit mystery."

Also convenient for maintaining plausible deniability, n'est-ce pas?

[rjsquirrel]

36. N'est-ce pas?

Lol.

You don't get it. I could make up anything just like Internet RKBA guys make up bullshit.

My views do not require my biography for clarity. But if they did, no one on the internet knows if anyone else is telling the truth. This site is fulbof people making shit up to sound authoritative, and I damn well include phony military experience claims.

So funny how much my refusal to play into your gun nutter rhetorical games bothers y'all.

I am not basing my position on whether I have seen combat or gun violence. That has nothing to do with anything I said. What I said was objectively true: the majority of RKBA zealots have never seen a gun battle or seen someone shot. Some may be veterans but even most veterans never saw combat up close. These are facts. Therefore most gun nutters are fantasizing when they imagine themselves as gun-fightin' cowboy soldiers and bluster about "protecting" themselves or "taking out" bad guys.

What I have personally experienced has nothing to do with the veracity or validity of that statement. Your demand for it is childish playground bully bullshit. As soon as I said a thing you'd say I was lying because yes, what I've actually seen is pretty fucking unreal. And that is a big reason I think gun nutters who DO claim experience with gun violence up close are fucking liars who make shit up like middle aged Walter Mittys on every macho Internet discussion.

The word is "disingenuous." You has it.

Go on wondering what I know and see if it bothers me. Or go back to playing Call of Duty until mom calls you for snacks.

[Marengo]

37. Who is making phony military experience claims on this site?

[Straw Man]

38. Oui, c'est ça.

You don't get it. I could make up anything just like Internet RKBA guys make up bullshit.

Of course you could. And you could veil it in some vague allusions so that it would give you an air of authority. Which you did.

My views do not require my biography for clarity.

So why did you even mention it?

As soon as I said a thing you'd say I was lying because yes, what I've actually seen is pretty fucking unreal.

See? There you go again. Just can't help yourself, can you?

Please note that only one person here has made claims to firsthand experience of lethal violence, and I am not that person.

And that is a big reason I think gun nutters who DO claim experience with gun violence up close are fucking liars who make shit up like middle aged Walter Mittys on every macho Internet discussion.

Like ... you?

Disingenuous? Paging Inigo Montoya ...

[GGJohn]

20. IOW, you haven't so you don't know WTF you're ranting about. eom.

[rjsquirrel]

21. Now how would you know one way or the other

big bad John?

If I told you stories about what if seen you'd call me a liar. Just like I would to you, although thank you for your service.

We are at an impasse. And you are now in Ignore.

Can't shoot me, whatcha gonna do bad boy?

Lol the passive aggressive facade slips. I love it when you guys get so mad.

[GGJohn]

22. Shoot you?

Why in the world would I want to do that? You seem a bit paranoid, something you accuse firearm owners of constantly.

[beevul]

30. You should answer his question.

Can't shoot me, whatcha gonna do bad boy?

Refute his/her every anti-gun talking points, without his/her interference.

Methinks he/she has the wrong idea on how ignore works, which is perfectly fine.

[GGJohn]

19. I was in agreement with you up until you posted this shit:

Guns are a sexual fetish object for many Americans. They don't even understand what guns can do until their dead kid or friend is lying in the ground. Most American gun owners have never experienced a shot fired in anger and have no idea if they could keep their shit under pressure. Instead guns are toys and fantasy objects to make them "feel" tough and strong and safe.

Then you just had to add this crap, it seems the controllers can't resist the sexual references to firearms, totally bizarre.

[Marengo]

27. Of course, HIS guns are not sexual fetish objects...

Oh no, only the most serious tools, which he hates most vehemently but has NO choice but to use lest he starve.

[Big_Mike]

31. And the peer reviewed psychological studies making these claims

are found exactly where?




<crickets chirping>




Hmm?

[Arkansas Granny]

5. IMO, that qualifies as a child endangerment issue.

I just get sick to my stomach every time I hear a report (which happens way to often) about a child or toddler who finds a loaded gun and kills himself or a sibling.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. + 1 ^^^

Endangerment, neglect or abuse all seem appropriate from my POV.

I can't believe this isn't already illegal.

[gejohnston]

33. mine too, and it makes me sick to the stomach

every time a child finds the unlocked cabinet and tries to quench their thirst with Drano, or is found floating in an unsecured swimming pool. Both of these are more common than gun accidents, but they don't get the press.

[DashOneBravo]

6. Good !

I've been saying for a long time that it isn't a terrible accident.

It's negligence and you should be severely punished.

Thanks for posting SecMo.

[ileus]

9. This may not be too bad of a bill...

[tularetom]

26. This may be the first thing you posted here that I actually agree with

[DustyJoe]

28. govt parenting needs to add

Should we have laws for parents who leave booze/dope in accessible areas leaving their kids alone and
the car keys accessible?

Or just leave laws already on the books in place covering child endangerment and enforcing them accordingly ?
At some point adding new laws to do the same as old laws becomes ridiculous.

I don't know if you can legislate bad parenting, leaving a loaded weapon and kids alone with
access just screams incompetent parenting.

Same for the knife block in an open area, cleaning supplies in reach, prescriptions in the open, access to the swimming pool.

There's just no easy answer for parents lacking common sense to leave ANY dangerous article in
access to children unsupervised. My sibling stuck a fork tine in a 110 socket at 2yrs old, but the
parents didn't hide the silverware after that.

There's no problem punishing bad parents for lack of common sense. In my parts if your child isn't in an approved car seat you'll not only get a unsecured child citation, but can also be arrested for child abuse/endangerment, have the car towed and kids put in the child welfare facility.

[gejohnston]

34. just guns or would parents also be charged when

the kid gets into household chemicals, or leaves the swimming pool gate open? If not, why not?