Caution fellow Pro2A DUers. The Hide forces are organized. Anything goes...

[Eleanors38]

in the way of insult, denigration, smear, and untruths. You know the drill.

[merrily]

1. I, too, noticed that. Not a poster in this group, but saw this in Latest Threads.

[Eleanors38]

7. Was it topic other than guns?

[merrily]

14. Yes. Two of them, in fact, both political.

[edgineered]

2. This was the reason behind my suggesting

a Week of WOES Award in the Pastafarian Group.

WOES (walking on egg shells) is a sad fact of life on this board. Anytime anyone in the real world affronts our alert stalkers all members of a given group are forced to walk on egg shells, hence the Week of WOES Award.

It looks like this group wins ? again.

[Duckhunter935]

4. I like that, WOES

I have found myself doing that a lot as a firearms owner and DU member.

[appal_jack]

11. Yup, WOES is me. Ah well, could be worse.

The gnashing of teeth by castle bansalot is unlikely to translate into real world action.

-app

[Duckhunter935]

12. Yep

The people in bansalot are so scared of RKBA, they rad to Skinner to try and get this group removed, another epic fail.

[Electric Monk]

24. Incorrect. The request was to clean house of the gun trolls, instead of banning them piecemeal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12628795#post9

[Shamash]

43. Ah, that clears it up

While you're here, perhaps you could define exactly what you mean by "gun troll"? Since I was part of a discussion of whose participants you said:

"Fucking gun trolls. DU would be much better off without them"

I just wanted to see that if I, as a supporter of same-sex marriage rights, womens reproductive rights, prosecuting Bush for war crimes, improvement of background check laws and having been a Democratic voter longer than you've been alive kind of person, avoid meeting your definition of "fucking gun troll".

Clearing that up for all of us so that we see you only use the term "fucking gun troll" appropriately and in the spirit of liberal tolerance and comity with which it was no doubt intended when applied to your fellow liberal DUers, would do a great deal towards clearing your reputation of any scurrilous accusations that you're a vacuous, intolerant hack.

This sort of clarity might also get Skinner off your back when you call people "assholes", if you could just explain how you meant it to be a considerate and constructive form of criticism.

[beevul]

45. Its an easy mistake to make.

What with the repeated assertions by his members that our group should be done away with by Admin.

(Do I really need to cite any?)

[Electric Monk]

55. Someone who keeps on getting banned and re-registering just to talk about guns? Yep, that's a troll.

nt

[Straw Man]

56. I suppose you can prove that allegation.

Otherwise you really wouldn't be justified in making it, would you?

[Shamash]

57. Works for me. Now list the DU members in that topic who meet that qualification.

You clearly had specific users in mind when you were talking about that particular story, otherwise you would not think the admins could "clean house" of them. The way you talked about it, it sounds like you got dogpiled by a whole pack of them.

[Duckhunter935]

61. So who are all of these people

Since you are so informed.

I love how you always make unsubstantiated accusations of RKBA members and when challenged go running away.

Put up up or shut up, let's see you post some names or just apologize to us right now.

[Electric Monk]

72. So you can hide my post with a jury? I'm not going to fall for that. You know I'm right, though. nt

[beevul]

73. In other words, you have no problem at all making allegations knowing you can not back them up.

There is a word for that.

And that word would tend to indicate behavior unbecoming a group host.

<braces self for malicious alert>

[Duckhunter935]

75. I would not be surprised of an alert

I know of one poster that has a very thin skin from experience. From one of my hides.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling out the host (EM) of a safe haven group (GCRA) that this person (duckhunter) has long been blocked from (gun nuts not allowed), for something not even written by that host. Hosts aren't responsible for everything posted by other members. This arrogant gun nut needs to be reminded what website they are on, and they are not on ar15.com.

Intentionally rude, hurtful, inappropriate = hide.

I like the insult in the alert itself, I am curious who the alerter might be? Only the shadow knows.......

[Duckhunter935]

74. I rarely alert

and when I do unlike others I will admit to it. I think it is better to show how you can not back up your claims when challenged here. It tends to make your points even less effective as other posters see the baseless accusations you post here. Of course you can always go back to the back slapping group over in bansalot that you host and post all you want without being challenged.

[Shamash]

77. How could we possibly get something like that hidden?

I mean, you've defined a "fucking gun troll" in a way that makes them people who are in clear violation of DU's terms of service and should be banned:

Someone who keeps on getting banned and re-registering just to talk about guns? Yep, that's a troll.

Calling these people out would be a public service and the site admins would surely be on your side.
And the context of your other statements makes it clear that you identified more than one person of that type.

Just think of what it would do to your sterling reputation to make an accusation like that and not follow through with evidence to support it. Besides, you owe it to the DU community to immediately provide proof of this gross misconduct to the admins so that they can take strong action against malicious, unprincipled types who are clueless as to what being a liberal is all about.

I for one most sincerely hope that they do.

[Duckhunter935]

78. It will never happen

But it would be a great service to DU and MIRT.

[beevul]

79. Thank you, I needed that....

Just think of what it would do to your sterling reputation...

Thank you, I needed that, but I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything, because my monitor certainly doesn't.

[ileus]

51. Their hate runs deep for the only true progressives that post about the 2A.

[Eleanors38]

9. WOES! ^^^

[Duckhunter935]

3. Yes I see that

and I am quite sure we all know who the ones that are doing the alerting are. It just proves again that some are more equal here than others. If I am on a jury, I always vote on the content of the post not my opinion on the poster or subject. Remember star members to carefully use all of your jury blacklist slots. This helped me out greatly and also be very polite in your posts so they have nothing to alert on.

[beevul]

6. "be very polite in your posts so they have nothing to alert on."

"be very polite in your posts so they have nothing to alert on."

Yes, this 100 times. If they eat enough failed alerts, it will both discourage their bad alerting, while highlighting it for all to see.

[Duckhunter935]

8. It also tends to get them all flustered

A bonus as it were. 😀

[beevul]

5. I second this suggestion.

The new tactic seems to be to wait until long drawn arguments are well under way, then mass multiple alert on multiple posts by an RKBAer who has been very active in said discussion, in the hopes that one or two are hidden by an anti-gun biased jury.

But rest easy, I have been assured by our colleagues on the other side of the issue, that there is no culture war.

[Duckhunter935]

10. I think there are really only a couple

Main alert stalkers. They tend to be active in those particular posts. I think we know who they are.

[marble falls]

13. As a gun owner, I understand why and agree with it. Can't we put the assumed victimhood...

of gun ownership on simmer for even a week? Nine people were killed by a legally owned gun. What are we going to do about that?????

[Eleanors38]

15. Sorry, but no free pass for people who equate rage & hatred with compassion...

It is absurd to think a serious discussion site should allow one group to dump its HATEFUL bile slop bucket on another with Impunity.

Not going to happen, esp. since elbowing ones way to the front of GD'S OP line with a shopping list of nastiness is an EXPLICIT tactic of the controller/banners.

Victimhood? No just a dishonest, hypocritical, holier-than-thou hatefest which Should be countered.

I am still curious as to how such a group of supposed liberals has carved out a moral exception, all for themselves.

No. No free passes.

[marble falls]

16. A little empathy goes a long way. When have guns been more available and more deadly....

than they are now? How exactly as a gun owner am I threatened? A little time to cool would be good for both sides.

[Eleanors38]

17. I have some problems with your characterization of the problem...

The question you raise about guns is not germane. Guns are as available as they have been since the Civil Rights laws put paid to Jim (large, raucous black bird) gun laws in the sourth, and the concealed carry movement. The gun used in Charleston was designed in c1911. Crime rates are down.

I'm perplexed by your "threatened" reference. This is not a question of threat, but of abusive discussion and other crap found on troll sites, as stated above.

I think what you want is for ONE (1) side to cool down, and for the other to get free reign to pursue an avowed agenda of shaming, taking advantage of a tragedy, and conducting most especially a culture war based on some of the worst hate speech I've seen since the last eruption here. If the "other side" showed some modicum of sympathy or empathy toward the victims of this racist terrorism, then I could let even a few gratuitous remarks slide. But it's a tide of sewage in service of an explicit tactic.

I would prefer to find out if this racist killer has a network, if he follows certain current public figures, if he has cohorts (you heard of the incident in Richmond the day after?). But we hear instead the same doctrines, plugged-in to the Adam Lanza model, and first in line.

Don't you think this incident is a hellnof a lot bigger than a gun?

Thanks for your civil tone in this exchange.

[marble falls]

29. All I'm saying is that US citizens have never been better strapped than they are now. .....

We are legally allowed in most states to own magazines over 30 rounds, in some states automatic rifles, "supressors" - silencers, never has there been more lenient laws. I've lived in Arizona so open carry does not bother me a bit. But here in Texas a conceal carry permit need only something like 8 hours of classes.

What happened last Tuesday won't challenge my rights to own firearms a scintilla. Sandy Hook didn't and it was a lot more victims, white and young children and it didn't change anything and that "event" didn't even have political bend except the right to own arms.

We who appreciate our second amendment rights should at least have the grace to allow them to mourn their dead.

Its really not at all about your or my right to own firearms.


Sorry if we can't agree.

[Eleanors38]

66. I guess what I am saying is only one "side" is requested to mourn....

...the other can put it off until their rage subsides.

[Duckhunter935]

69. it apppears so

[Duckhunter935]

19. Well you used

To be able to purchase full up machine guns and other weapons mail order without any background check.

[marble falls]

30. Go to a Texas "gun show".

[Duckhunter935]

32. Are you saying you can legally buy

machine guns or weapons without a background check from an FFL. All machine guns are transferred and tracked via the federal government. I fact all firearms purchases at any gun show booth that has an FFL must have a federal background check.

[marble falls]

35. No I am not saying you can buy "machine guns" at Texas gun shows, I said "go to Texas 'gun shows'"..

start here:

http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/austin/7929-austin-gun-shows.html

[Duckhunter935]

39. Yes, I have been to gun shows

even in Texas and Oklahoma. Any booth that has an FFL must follow all federal and state laws and must conduct a federal NICS background check prior to sale.

[gejohnston]

34. still can't

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act
If you know of someone who is selling silencers or machine guns without the required background check and registration, please call the ATF at this number
https://www.atf.gov/contact/hotlines

[Shamash]

25. To answer the question in your subject line, see below

Item #1 here.

The entire comment section at that link is a good example of how far certain people will go to avoid answering straight questions on the topic.

As for how exactly you are threatened, simply ask anyone on the gun control side which regulations or laws, if any, they think are excessive and should be repealed. The answer will be "none". The answer has always been "none", even after new laws are passed. The lack of answers on the links' question on magazine limits is a good example. They won't say "this is as low as we ever need to go". It is always "we want more restrictions".

It's exactly the same ratchet abortion opponents use, and exactly as ethical.

[beevul]

18. Well said.

Very well said indeed.

They've had a stack of blank passes long enough, and shown to my satisfaction that they're only capable of abusing them.

Treat those blank passes the way they want to treat guns, and see how they howl with rage.

[Eleanors38]

20. I'm willingmto leave well enough alone when some tragedy arises...

but it seems everyone else of a different view gets a key to the frat house back bedroom.

There is an implicit assumption that pro2A folks get to be a punching bag every time. Not anymore.

[Shamash]

27. I agree, well said. n/t

[virginia mountainman]

21. As a car owner, I understand why and agree with it. Can't we put the assumed victimhood...

of car ownership on simmer for even a week? Nine people were killed by a legally owned car. What are we going to do about that?????

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1727590/driver-crash-killed-nine-people-shenzhen-airport-panicked-after-hearing

Driver who killed nine people at Shenzhen airport 'panicked after hearing car horns'
Children and their grandparents are among the victims who were struck by a car on five-lane overpass as they watched aircraft at Shenzhen Baoan International Airport, police say.

----------------------------------------------------

If anyone has any idea to deal with the racist crazies in society, without turning us into a police state, I am all ears.

[edbermac]

22. Jury results.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
On Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:22 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Caution fellow Pro2A DUers. The Hide forces are organized. Anything goes...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172169308

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Please hide this meta-bullshit

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jun 20, 2015, 08:28 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A bullshit alert swarm.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't get it, is it some kind of code?

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[edgineered]

23. WOES Award!

look at that - Not one broken egg shell

[Eleanors38]

70. You should see my ballet routine. Uh, maybe not.

[Shamash]

26. Well, what a coincidence!

Who'd a thunk that a post talking about abusive hiders would get juried for its subject matter by abusive hiders?

Somewhere, there is an entire shed of tools that need sharpening.

[Jamastiene]

28. But, the vote to NOT hide it was unanimous though. n/t

[Shamash]

31. Exactly! n/t

[Duckhunter935]

33. and I rest my case on alert stalkers

7-0 someone got spanked! Wonder who it could be, hmmmmmmm

[beevul]

36. Oh look.

Someone can't alert for 24 hours, with no corresponding gain.


Awww. Whoever they were, they're sure to be feeling like a Delicate Flower, right about now.

[Duckhunter935]

42. I seem to remember another one a couple of weeks ago

On Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Ahh, the hypocrisy drips from your words. eom.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6792499

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude personal attack, intended to be hurtful, and unable to back it up either (see down-thread). We shouldn't stand for baseless accusations of hypocrisy. If you're going to call someone a hypocrite, be ready to back it up.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:14 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This has the be the same asshole who unsuccessfully alerted on the same DUer yesterday with almost the same comments "Rude personal attack, intended to be hurtful, not discussing the issue at hand. 1 more hide and they're back in timeout yet again, so please do hide". Take a powder shithead, you're abusing you alerting privileges.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Being right or wrong about hypocrisy on DU is not a violation of the TOS, nor is it a personal attack or inappropriately rude. *sigh*
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is a proportional response to obvious shit-stirring. EM jumped into the thread with a person attack, trolling for a reason to alert, I'd bet. GG shouldn't take the bait, but I'm inclined to let them argue it out in this mutual slap-fight.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I happen to know who the alerter is but will not name him

[beevul]

44. I think admin should see that.

This was a blatant attempt, to manipulate the system toward silencing a specific individual poster, for something other than the content of the post.

I think admin should see that.

[Duckhunter935]

47. It is sleazy

and he does not have the fortitude to say it was him. Kind of like it would embarrass him as it should. Of course I asked him several times in the open and once by IM if it were him or to deny it and he would not answer that simple question. I take my hides and I truly believe some are legitimate but some are just so surprising, like the one where I apologized. There is a person that I think alerts on almost anything I post in a thread he is part of, hoping to get me a vacation or stoned. That just causes me to be even more polite and it just drives him nuts I am still around. I think he thought he got me when he stalked me with several hides and my account went to review. Guess what I am still here!

[Lizzie Poppet]

38. I'll bet that was the same...er..."fellow DU'er" that got a hide on me...

...for my (obviously) humorously-intended little poke at Hoyt and his infamous "can of beans" line.

Some people's pretensions of being "progressive" when their attitudes and actions are anything but are genuinely annoying, in the way that only pungent hypocrisy can be.

[Duckhunter935]

41. I am quite sure I know who alerts on my posts

Sometimes you can tell in the alert body.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling out the host (EM) of a safe haven group (GCRA) that this person (duckhunter) has long been blocked from (gun nuts not allowed), for something not even written by that host. Hosts aren't responsible for everything posted by other members. This arrogant gun nut needs to be reminded what website they are on, and they are not on ar15.com.

Intentionally rude, hurtful, inappropriate = hide.

I like the personal insult directed at me the alerter included, lol

[beevul]

46. This is what I got sent when I was blocked for a mistaken post over there...

This is what I got sent by the forum host when I was blocked for a mistaken post over there, which I deleted and reposted here where I intended it:

You know why you were blocked, of course. You got what you wanted. nt

They're an understanding bunch, aren't they?

[Duckhunter935]

48. That was a first for me

a person blocked for a self deleted post. If that is not abusing the host powers, I do not know what is. How is that an SOP violation?

I am so glad he can post in this group and it is his favorite group as he can be challenged and show how he really is.

[ileus]

50. jumping jesus on a pogo stick...talk about thin skinned.

[Duckhunter935]

52. yep nt

[blueridge3210]

58. "Delicate Flowers". (nt)

[SecularMotion]

59. Delicate Flowers

[center][/center]

[blueridge3210]

60. Which group is afraid of debate?

[Duckhunter935]

62. That would be the ones

That require a safe haven and has a host that blocked a person for a self deleted post.

That's a first for me.

[blueridge3210]

67. Yup.

Those delicate flowers.

[Duckhunter935]

68. one comes over here

with his baseless accusations trying to stir the pot and and hoping to alert and get a hide

55. Someone who keeps on getting banned and re-registering just to talk about guns? Yep, that's a troll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=169424

Of course he made the accusation and now will not respond after being challenged, surprise. We can challenge in this group and not worry about being blocked unlike the other group that is so scared of debate.

[Lizzie Poppet]

37. I think I know the thread (and poster) you're referring to.

Clearly, "fuck you" and several slanderous, insulting (and hilariously illogical) assertions about gun owners here at DU are hunky-dory. This shit gets excused because "emotions are running high" over the latest big story.

But I get hidden and called "cowardly" for a little good-natured poke at Hoyt, who I'm sure had no problem with my post.

This is why I tend to take long vacations from this formerly-wonderful site and do vastly more postin gon DI.

[Duckhunter935]

40. Well I had an apology hidden

Try and figure that one out, lol

[ileus]

49. Kinda normal from the 2A progressives aren't "real" democrats folks.

They normally get all worked up and let their emotions, prejudice, and seething hate get the best of them.

[Eleanors38]

63. Sometimes I wonder if some of them think we are just real folks.

[Purveyor]

53. That is why I'm just trying to keep my mouth shut across the board and posting OP's. Safer that

way, from one who just got my record 'clean'...

[Eleanors38]

64. I've increased my postage as well. Seems to work.

[tularetom]

54. I'll have to spend some time lurking over there

And see who is boasting about stirring things up here in this group.

[Eleanors38]

65. I exchanged mail with a moderate controller who has noticed the phenomenon as well...

He/she sees a connection to Bernie Sanders' positions on 2A. I don't know, but the heat between the Sanders and Hillary camps is intensifying.

[tularetom]

71. So if you are a Sanders supporter who also supports RKBA, you're in the crosshairs so to speak

I know that NYC_SKP did a stupid thing but I've always had the feeling that there were people just waiting for him to slip up.

[HassleCat]

76. If it's any comfort

One person just had a post hidden for calling names at gun owners. And posts get hidden for all sorts of reasons, on all sorts of issues, when people take offense at a particular word, or maybe nothing at all. Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. (Can I say that?)

[Eleanors38]

80. Actually, you can say whatever you want!

[NaturalHigh]

81. You noticed that too, eh?