Brady Bunch LOSES AGAIN

[oneshooter]

Lost another lawsuit against the ammo dealers. If they don't appeal they pay all legal defense fees, if the lose the appeal, they pay for that defense costs also.
Hope they have deep pockets.

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/gov.uscourts.cod_.151625.45.0.pdf

[Cooley Hurd]

1. Oh... a slam against poor James Brady and his foundation...

A guy who took a fucking bullet to the HEAD by a disturbed person who could just walk into a pawn shop and buy a gun. And you disparage his memory by equating his foundation to a light-hearted early 70's TV show?

Stay classy, 1shot...

[GGJohn]

3. Not disparaging his memory,

disparaging the org.

[Cooley Hurd]

4. ...the org that was formed by him and his wife.

Same thing.

[GGJohn]

10. No, it's not the same thing.

You can criticize and org. without disparaging the founders.

[Cooley Hurd]

13. No, it's the same thing in this case...

Jim and Sarah didn't start the organization on a whim. They started it because Jim was shot in the fucking head by a deranged individual who was allowed to walk into a pawn shop and buy a gun without a background check.

[GGJohn]

15. No, it's not the same thing in this case. eom.

[Cooley Hurd]

16. It is. eom.

...actually, I'm not done. The organization wouldn't have existed had John Hinkley been prevented from owning a gun due to his long history of mental illness.

[GGJohn]

17. Which has what to do with this thread?

Again, we're not disparaging the memory of Jim Brady, just the org.

[Cooley Hurd]

20. The org is the man...

oops... wrong video.

[GGJohn]

22. Maybe in the early days, but not now.

Again, we're not disparaging the memory of the man, just the org.

[Cooley Hurd]

24. Sarah's was still in charge of it as of 2 years ago.

...and she spent 33 years caring for the victim of the crime.

[GGJohn]

29. All fine and dandy, and I commend her for taking care of her husband,

but again, nobody's disparaging the man, just the org.
BTW, they didn't start the org. it was just a name change and change of leadership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign

[Duckhunter935]

56. Interesting read

In 1974 the National Council to Control Handguns (NCCH) was founded by armed-robbery victim Mark Borinsky. In 1975, Republican marketing manager Pete Shields, whose 23-year-old son had been murdered, joined NCCH as chairman. In 1980, the organization became Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI) and partnered with the National Coalition to Ban Handguns (NCBH). The partnership did not last long; the NCBH, renamed in 1990 as the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV), generally advocates for stronger gun laws than does the Brady Campaign.[1]:111–112[3]

HCI had few resources until 1980, after the murder of musician John Lennon increased the public's interest in shootings. By 1981, HCI's membership exceeded 100,000. In 1983, the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence (CPHV) was founded as an educational outreach organization and sister project. In 1989, CPHV established the Legal Action Project to press its agenda in the courts.[1][3]

In 2001, Handgun Control, Inc. was renamed the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, and the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence was renamed the Brady Center to Prevent Handgun Violence, both in honor of Jim Brady and Sarah Brady. The same year, the Million Mom March (MMM) was incorporated into the Brady Campaign.[1][3][4]

In April 2012, the Better Business Bureau (BBB) published a review of the Brady Center (the 501(c)(3) side of the organization) saying that it does not meet five of 20 standards for charity accountability. This report will expire in 2014.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign

[gejohnston]

23. actually, they didn't start the organization

it was simply a name change and leadership of an existing organization once known as Handgun Control Incorporated (HCI)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Campaign

[pablo_marmol]

75. Game, set, match.

Once again the restrictionists flaunt their lack of knowledge.

[NaturalHigh]

25. No...it's not.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

69. Somewhere, I can't remember where...

...I heard that it was wrong to confuse individuals with corporations and that they shouldn't be treated the same.

Have you ever heard that?

[Cooley Hurd]

70. In fact, I have...

...from my own lips, in reference to Citizen's United.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

71. good enough for CU, good enough for the Brady Campaign

[S_B_Jackson]

80. The organization wasn't formed by Brady and his wife...

the organization was already in existance - it's former name was Handgun Control Inc.
They hired the Brady's to be their front, and simply changed their name - other than that, their approach has remained the same regardless of the name.

[krispos42]

5. His foundation is waging a useless cultural war that motivates Republican voters

Extrapolating from your comments, criticism of the Brady Campaign is unacceptable under any circumstances. Is that your opinion?

[Cooley Hurd]

6. That is my opinion. Yes.

[NaturalHigh]

28. Seriously? The group is immune from criticsm?

You know it doesn't work that way, right? I don't know of any group that is, or ever should be, immune from criticism.

[Cooley Hurd]

35. Yeah... sorry I waded into this well-known morass...

[krispos42]

32. Then when there are other opinions, you can't be surprised by them.

The other group will, I'm pretty sure, gladly ban anybody that criticizes the Brady Campaign and their actions, plans, policies, methods, and motivations.

That doesn't happen here.

[Cooley Hurd]

36. Not surprised...

...just disappointed by the short-sightedness of those who support gun-rights (which I do, but with a caveat of universal, federal background checks).

[krispos42]

65. The Brady people...

...seem to think that's secondary to high-profile, emotionally-driven political battles on poorly-defined cosmetic or ergonomic features.

I have no problem with universal background checks on principle; the details obviously need to be worked out because there are a dozen different ways to do it with varying degrees of difficulty and intrusion and bureaucracy. But the gun-control movement keeps thinking that if they scream about AR-15s enough, there will be a mass movement on their side comparable to the people that get motivated by such publicity on the pro-gun side. And it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. It does not happen.

People that don't own guns and don't ever intend to are far less passionate, interested, organized, and motivated than the people who own the guns targeted for bans.

[DonP]

67. I always wonder ...

... how many of the crop of Brady "protectors" have ever actually got out the old checkbook and showed their support in a real world kind of way?

Or are they just more online "supporters", willing to stand behind the Brady group and gun control in general, as long as it doesn't involve actually doing anything but posting in a thread?

But I have noticed some of them get terribly offended when you ask that question or point that out though.

So I won't

[virginia mountainman]

78. IDK, But they even sale their mailing list to raise funds..

See.... And they can even break it down to Jews, and Catholics!

http://lists.nextmark.com/market;jsessionid=F3399AE9E63FFC4E3EB5F2874DEF60AD?page=order/online/datacard&id=163065

I wonder if their "members" know that their info is for sale?!

[Duckhunter935]

43. seriously?

any group should be able to be criticized without criticizing the founder. That is quite a stretch.

[Cooley Hurd]

45. This group is unique, as it was started because of a gun crime...

...to the founder, and hasn't stayed since then.

[Duckhunter935]

50. I think you meant "strayed"

and yes, I think they have.

[Cooley Hurd]

53. Ooh... I made a typo!

You win!

[Duckhunter935]

55. thank you

[Cooley Hurd]

57. Heehee!

It's so cute that you think you won.

[Duckhunter935]

59. just accepting what you said

[Cooley Hurd]

60. ..even when sarcastic?

A lack of a sense of irony is soooo... well, we know what side of the debate doesn't understand irony (i.e. Dennis Miller).

[Duckhunter935]

61. I do when it is good and

the one you mention is also not any good.

Next time use

[Cooley Hurd]

62. I only use that when my sarcasm isn't obvious...

...and that particular bit of sarcasm was so obvious that you'd have to be a Republican not to get it.

[Duckhunter935]

63. Nice

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I got it and was having fun.

[Cooley Hurd]

64. Your thought that it was a personal insult...

...says more about you (and motive) than anything.

[Fred Sanders]

9. Staying classy..in the eyes of the NRA anyway. Maybe not so much in the eyes of DU TOS?

"Gun control advocacy is helping Republicans" is kind of lame when you also support all the NRA positions....and those guys ain't liberals.

[Cooley Hurd]

11. Yep...

...an organization not known for being classy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/may99/nra050199.htm

[Fred Sanders]

12. Yet some DU denizens insist they are liberals and hate the NRA - but love all their positions? Paradox.

[friendly_iconoclast]

18. Also a paradox: "Progressives" that support a billionaire that works against Democrats

Amazing how a not-so-crypto-fascist becomes respectable in certain quarters of DU when
he starts plumping for gun control:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022998404#post16

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172140392

Gun controllers attempt to suppress a Democratic fundraiser...

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2012/07/6292816/bloomberg-backs-scott-brown-nras-candidate-against-elizabeth-warren

Bloomberg backs Scott Brown, the N.R.A.'s candidate, against Elizabeth Warren


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002510228

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/04/house_dems_slam.php

Ten House Dems have come down on Mayor Mike's response to the NYPD's Muslim spy scheme, decrying his reaction as "underhanded and unprofessional."

As detailed by The Associated Press (via Washington Post), the pols have demanded that Bloomberg end out-of-state spying.

The electeds' outcry stems from recent AP reports indicating that the NYPD -- with money from White House anti-drug programs -- spied on entire Muslim communities. The NYPD's intel ops also took officers all across the Northeast. They checked out Muslim Student Associations as far as Yale and the University of Pennsylvania.

The AP has also reported that the NYPD sent "an undercover agent on a whitewater rafting trip" to observe these students.

[Fred Sanders]

19. Ad hominem. Boring. So what do you think of my comments about the NRA? Any NRA positions you dislike?

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. I note you managed not to name any of those purported DUers who 'support NRA positions'

A minor oversight, I'm sure...

The NRA opposition to universal background checks is fucked, for starters. Their de facto
status as an auxiliary to the GOP, for another.

Then again, given the support for Michael Bloomberg and his various puppets here at DU
that second part might not be a stone certain people would want to throw...

[Fred Sanders]

68. That is clear enough, thanks!

[Duckhunter935]

72. Nice non-answer

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[Inkfreak]

30. You don't seem to do much here but accuse others of not being Dems...

We all have our hobbies, I suppose.


Please proceed..

[GGJohn]

34. And those that challenge him, he puts on ignore. eom.

[Duckhunter935]

51. or he runs away

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[friendly_iconoclast]

39. DU has always had a certain number of self-appointed "purity police"...

...most of whom don't actually have anything to do with running the place.

They usually go away sooner or later.

[GGJohn]

14. Well then Mr. Fred Sanders,

I suggest that you alert on it.

[NaturalHigh]

33. Which TOS does it violate?

I patiently await your answer.

[VScott]

66. Nope, fair game.

As are the Sandy Hook Promise people, Demanding Moms, Americans for Responsible Solutions and any and all gun control
organizations and individuals.

One can still have remorse for their personal tragedies, but as soon as any of them step into the political and social arena
of gun control legislation and advocacy, all bets are off.

It would be disgraceful and cowardly of them to exploit their losses and use them as a shield against criticism.

Don't like the backlash... stay out of the public, legislative and political spotlight..

[Puha Ekapi]

79. Here's a story...

...of a group called Brady, that was busy cooking up some really stupid bans....

[GGJohn]

2. But I thought the tide was turning?

At least, that's what's parroted in the other group all the time.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

7. That deep pocket the bullet put in Brady's head must be pretty amusing to some, too. nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. Ronnie Reagan also got shot in the same incident. How much leeway should *he* have been given?

I suspect many, if not most, gun controllers declared sympathy for gun violence victims
extends only as far as said victims agree with them...

[Gidney N Cloyd]

38. You believe gun control supporters are okay with, or make an exception for, Reagan being shot?

[friendly_iconoclast]

49. I didn't give Reagan a break. If Brady had enough agency to run his org...

..then he had enough agency to have his actions criticized.

[Duckhunter935]

8. I am sure

The other group will be very busy on this story. Lol

They might stop these crazy suits when they have to pay real money, unless Bloomberg puts in some of his billions.

Any day now, the tide is turning.

[NaturalHigh]

41. "unless Bloomberg puts in some of his billions."

I really don't think Bloomberg wants to help the Brady Campaign. I think he wants his group to be the shining star of the gun control clique.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

27. Making fun of a shooting victim.

Classy as always.

[GGJohn]

31. Really?

Perhaps you can tell us who here is making fun of Jim Brady?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

37. Don't be obtuse.

It really does the rest of your ilk a disservice.

[GGJohn]

44. Not being obtuse, just asking you to point out here who's making fun

of Jim Brady. Can you do that?

[Duckhunter935]

52. No, they can not

[oneshooter]

42. I noticed that NONE of the posters had anything to say about the post itself.

How many are going to run out and donate money? I would be willing to give odds that none do. All they can do is raise a fake outrage over a supposed insult in the post.

Typical.

[friendly_iconoclast]

46. How many of the "outraged" laid off Reagan after HE got shot in the same incident?

I suspect they fall into two camps: 'Few' and 'none'

[GGJohn]

47. Most gun control proponents are all talk and no action,

whereas, gun rights proponents are very active in the gun rights debate, we donate money, write our congresscritters, support gun rights politicians, etc.

[Duckhunter935]

54. well, look the proposed ammo ban

overwhelming majority of comments against it and the head had to step down do to that over reach. They are real active indeed.

[NaturalHigh]

40. From the ruling:

"Plaintiffs do not allege that any of the defendants had any direct, personal contact with Holmes."

That alone tells me this was a frivolous lawsuit.

"are entitled to an award of reasonable attorney fees and costs to be determined after filing motions"...

Maybe that will help deter some of this foolishness.

[Duckhunter935]

58. I hope it is the lawyers that pay

I feel sorry for the families and I think the lawyers pushed them into this myself. I doubt that will happen though.

[NaturalHigh]

73. Well, the lawyers and the Brady Campaign.

I feel sorry for the families too, and like you, I think it likely that they were manipulated by the lawyers.

[petronius]

74. Good decision, but I don't see the Brady Campaign listed on that document

I do hope these surviving parents aren't on the hook for the fees, and the expense will come from whichever (if any) gun control organizations that backed them...

[pablo_marmol]

76. Works for this Democrat!

[benEzra]

77. So the Brady Campaign sued to prevent *anybody* from buying ammo or magazines online...

and the court said that would be out of line based on both statute and precedent, as I understand it. Good call on the court's part, IMO.