Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumHi guys -- a question:
Has Obama actually done anything to "assault our 2nd Amendment Rights"?
The reason I ask was prompted by this DU thread, in which the DUer was called by an NRA member who began her pitch with "Obama is assaulting our 2nd Amendment Rights".
Just wondering if there's actually been any action taken, or if this is just the RW constant cry against the Democrats.
If someone approaches me with that, I'd like to know the answer. If nothing has changed, I'd just like to ask "what exactly has he done"?
Thanks for the education!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002332060
Skittles
(153,174 posts)it's a normal part of the NRA paranoia
dballance
(5,756 posts)I'd have to say I'm not aware of anything the President or congress has done to alter citizen's rights to own or posses guns. I think they've been occupied with jobs and the economy.
I think the shrill call of the nuts is just so much BS.
era veteran
(4,069 posts)Those paranoid baggers ran the price of guns and ammo sky high. They still are making things up.
lots of locals really pumped up the sporting store's economy after the election
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)propaganda, although La Pierre takes it to a level of absurdity to where he keeps looking for black helicopters. It keeps the grassroots sending in the money, so it works so far.
The other side's propaganda is just as over the top and irrational, just not directed at any particular politician and they have no grassroots to speak of. At most they have amusing reads at HuffPo.
In a nutshell, the NRA gives him an F for what he said and voted for in IL, possibly to give lip service to the Daley machine and figured was what his constituents in Chicago wanted (which is how it is supposed to work, they are called Representative instead of leaders for a reason).
Brady gave him an F because, well that answers your question.
If John Kasich's election is any indication, our common enemy (the Kochs and other plutocrats) is a bigger concern than either the NRA or Brady.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7315
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7341
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7342
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,362 posts)so give me some money.
I've gotten a bunch of calls like that.
I figured they only called NRA members. I didn't know they were making general cold calls outside their membership list.
Upton
(9,709 posts)which is the smart move politically. Gun control is a loser. Now, if only the rest of the party would follow his lead...it might just shut the NRA up.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)They cannot envision life without more and more guns, in more and more places.
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krispos42
(49,445 posts)I subscribe to 3 gun magazines, and the editorials have always been about the potential of Obama, or some knee-jerk law some congresscritter introduces.
jeepnstein
(2,631 posts)I'm curious to see how they rewrite history on his time in office in Massachusetts. Republicans are all about rights for those who can afford to write the big checks. The rest of us don't really matter that much.
burf
(1,164 posts)there's also Gov Christie who is touted as "a rising star in the Republican Party". There is still some talk out there about him as a VP candidate.
It will be interesting to see how either of them would fare with the gun rights crowd. My guess not well.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)I'll let you know then.
jeepnstein
(2,631 posts)I'm so used to the 24/7 instant news cycle that I forget how quaint and slow the magazine business is. I subscribe to only one magazine now and it's a woodworking magazine that includes lots of details and cut lists, not exactly a news cycle driven bit of journalism.
jeepnstein
(2,631 posts)Some of his minions are less than wonderful, though. I'm sure there are days when he wants to punch Eric Holder in the mouth. And that whole Fast and Furious thing is the stuff that makes Presidents old before their time. Seriously, that was just a dumb project from the start. I don't care much for Jane Napolitano, either. But nothing the President and his government has done so far has had any negative effect on me.
Of course some folks would jump up and say "But, but, but... He's a closet Muslim Communist who wants to send out the Black Panthers to seize my guns!" These kinds of folks are generally not right in the head, quite often are bigots, and generally lack any kind of balance in their lives. Oh, and we also have people who make a ton of money lobbying against this "dark skinned anti-christ" and his gun grabbing agenda. What they tend to forget is that Obama has generally shifted to the center to govern and now probably has a stranglehold on that center ground.
burf
(1,164 posts)is: " Mr President, what did you mean when you told Sarah Brady that you were working on gun control under the radar?" Then comes the Fast and Furious fiasco full bore.
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(56,912 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)from you all, and again you've been very helpful!
Hey! is the You Rock smilie MIA? Anyway, You Rock.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I miss it too
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:19 PM - Edit history (1)
Seems an awful lot of DUers agree with the statement: "no matter what the hell your organization says a freaking assault weapon does not make for good quail hunting!"
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)does not surprise me at all.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)It would be overkill
http://www.seayourhistory.org.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=9688&g2_serialNumber=1
or this, which is really just another shotgun, just ugly.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)is not an assault weapon as per the late, unlamented AWB...so is it ok to hunt quail with it?
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)In your humble opinion, of course...?
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)I think you should look into donating whatever funds you were going to waste on guns to a worthy charity.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)As for funds being wasted on firearms, I would point out that they're an excellent investment!
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)You might as well invest in Halliburton or Exxon Mobil.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Perhaps I already have, it's quite diverse!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Otherwise, I wouldn't need one.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I mean, really ....
what gun is NOT an assault weapon, especially in offensive maneuevers....
I guess use defensively one could argue that is not assault but, even then the "type" of weapon has nothing to do with the definition.
so.fucking.silly
Assault rifle. my sweet ass.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)(What's funny is that the Uzi on top is either a short barreled rifle or fully automatic weapon, which makes it generally unavailable to the public at large...so what's the big deal?)
Bear in mind that the term had been used (rather loosely) in military parlance to describe everything from the Bangalore Torpedo to flamethrowers, but when this particular book came out, the gun control types ran with it. From their point of view, it was a perfect term, because it sounded scary (at least to them) while at the same time not having any particular definition, as opposed to "assault rifle" which does have a specific definition.
The practical term for "assault weapon" is "scary gun with black furniture that we don't like".
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(56,912 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 22, 2012, 02:58 PM - Edit history (1)
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(56,912 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Does it come with a barrel that will accept various choke tubes?
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Mind you, you might get some funny looks from your hunting buddies when you show up with it in the duck blind...
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Some people don't like my current Mossberg 590. Swaps barrels and magazines in a few minutes, going from "scary" to "gross" with a few twists and turns.
Muuuuuaaaaahahahahahahahaha!
Oneka
(653 posts)I recently inherited one of these shotguns.
It is a great ruffed grouse gun, though a little heavy, but i haven't been able to find a sporting 24" or 26" barrel to fit it. Do you have to use a model 500 magazine when you switch out the barrels or have you found a sporting barrel that fits with the 590 mag?
My buddies that i shoot skeet with, will no longer let me use the 590 , i humor them to make make them feel that they are doing well.
Thanks in advance.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)A little more of a pain in the butt, but with practice not too difficult.
Oneka
(653 posts)i thought that maybe an 835 barrel might fit as they have the same style loop in the barrel that the mag passes through, but didn't really want to try it. the results of that not being right could be deadly.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)President Obama has done virtually nothing against the second amendment, and in fact has an overall favorable public slant towards it.
He has signed legislation into law that allows concealed carry in national parks (assuming it is legal in the state where the park is located).
He has publicly stated that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right and is the settled law of the land:
"Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges."
He has allowed the importation of US made WWII vintage M1 Garand rifles from South Korea.
About the only anti-firearm thing he has done is he is blocking the import of WWII vintage M1 Carbines from South Korea.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)like the blockage of M1's imported from South Korea, being returned after we sent them there, and the requirement to shred military brass, that would have ruined the reloading market, but each time the Obama admin has gotten the message and done the right thing.
Also that whole 'renew the AWB' thing that was on Change.Gov has been quietly strangled in some back alley, so overall, I'd give Obama a solid 'A' on gun rights.
BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)Funny that in the same breath they admit that the GOP line up is weaksauce and vent their paranoia.
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)that's one thing, I guess.
Oneka
(653 posts)in fact, as reported up thread he signed legislation that allowed concealed carry in national parks.
He has nominated two Supreme Court Justices who, while having many good qualities in a Justice, are both demonstrably anti gun, and hold opinions on the second amendment, that do not recognize, gun ownership by citizens, as an individual right.
The nomination for appointment of Andrew Traver, as head of the ATF, is also something that could be construed as an assault on 2nd amendment rights. Traver has a long history of anti-gun zealotry, placing him at the top of the ATF is not in keeping with being friendly to the 2nd.
Those few items do not rise to the level of HYPE put out by the NRA.