University police chiefs lobby against guns on campus

[SecularMotion]

"More guns does not equate to a safer campus," said ASU Police Chief John Pickens.

"I have a great appreciation for guns, but I've seen tragedies occur when people didn't handle guns properly, or made bad decisions about the use of firearms," said UA Police Chief Anthony Daykin.

"You're going to have accidents where people are going to get hurt," said NAU Police Chief Gregory Fowler. "You add [guns] to that mix of youth, alcohol, drugs, and it's a terrible mix with handguns."

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Police-chiefs-lobby-against-guns-on-campus-139493023.html

[gejohnston]

1. I don't know about AZ

or Vermont, but his point is only half valid. You have to be 21 to get a CCW in any state that I am aware of. My understanding of the issue only refers to CCWs (mostly older day students, which makes the argument total nonsense) carrying on campus, which has nothing to do with allowing them in dorms.

drugs and alcohol? Is there an under-aged drinking problem on his campus? What is he and the administration doing about that?

Does he get out to know the students, or does he think Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds are documentaries instead comedies based on stereotypes?

[Glassunion]

2. Has

"campus carry" been shown to be an issue in ANY of the colleges where it is currently legal? Ever?

The sky is indeed falling.

[PavePusher]

3. Perhaps the Police Chiefs and Presidents could cite some fucking evidence of their hypotheticals.

"ASU President Michael Crow has said he fears a scenario in which a gunman enters a lecture hall, and several gun-toting students start firing at him at once."

Where? When? How often? By whom?

So much for them being "educational" institutions, with intellectual standards that fucking low.

[DonP]

4. They admit they can't control drugs or alcohol on campus but guns might be a problem?

Sounds like people trying to find a new scapegoat for their own failures.

They acknowledge a drug and alcohol problem on the campus they are already responsible for ... but somehow law abiding 21+ year old CCW permit holders will make the situation worse ... but they can't quite find any examples to point to.

At least it's not like the University Police have always been a punch line to a bad joke about civil liberties in general.

On my campus they specialized in illegal searches and seizures ... until they broke into the apartment of the daughter of a personal injury lawyer. Very expensive violation of fifth amendment rights.