I want a full size 9mm with manual safety and decocker. Any Recs?

[Logical]

Thought I would try this post here. Hope it works!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

1. There are any number of firearms that meet those requirements

Find a gun range that rents guns and try them one at a time until you find one that points naturally for you.

My favorite full size 9mm is the 92F, though I prefer a 1911a style .45. Then again, I am a bit old school.

[Logical]

2. Thanks! I also saw the FNX 9. Looks good.

[ileus]

25. I gave the FNX's a serious look

They're really nice and feel great in my hand, I wish the safety/decocker was metal. I read in a few forums that the plastic one had to be cut off and a new one installed if you ever had to disassemble the pistol beyond normal cleaning. I don't know if that's true or not, but it kinda steered me away from their product.

[bluerum]

3. It's 92fs now. Depending on state laws an m9 would fit the bill. Both Berettas.

Also look at the px4 Storm models.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

4. Beretta, Taurus, or CZ should meet your needs.

The CZ will undoubtedly be thepremium optoin and the Taurus is your budget option. Berettas are nice too. The Beretta and Taurus will be Double/Single action and the CZ can come in a DA/SA or Single-only action. CZ's single actions are very nice. Typically Taurus a a brand is to be avoided, but their PT-92 or PT-99 are very reliable. Personally, I like the CZ's alot... they are very comfortable and reliable.

[burf]

11. I've got a PT809 Taurus 9mm and have had zero problems with it.

It is a SA/DA and has the safety and decocker you mentioned, along with a second strike capability. 17+1 Magazine. I have seen them advertised for less than $325. Works good for me.

[ileus]

16. I didnt know about these...

Just looked at a m&p 40 with safety and another 229 today....

My ideal next sd firearm would have decocker and safety...the pt840 may be something to look into.

For that price if I don't like it I can eat the loss. (I have a pt145 that I'm less than pleased with)

[aikoaiko]

5. CZ 75 BD

Like the Beretta 92, another classic all metal handgun with a decocker. Simple and beautiful. $500.

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[Logical]

6. I didn't know it had a manual safety also.

[aikoaiko]

7. Whoops. You are correct. The decocker replaced the safety. Sorry for the bad advice.

[Logical]

8. No problem. So many guns, so many options!

[appal_jack]

49. I'm learning to live without the decocker

On edit - I read response #43, which answers my question, but I will leave my post intact anyway...

My basic CZ-75 (with manual safety only) is a great 9mm pistol. Of course, manual decocking requires plenty of caution, including of course keeping the firearm pointed in a safe direction in case of a discharge. But the same should be done with decocking models such as the CZ-75D

Do you mind expanding on why you want both a safety and a decocker? Seems like a lot of levers to keep track of.

The pistols I own include a 1911 clone, the CZ-75, a Browning Buckmark, and some revolvers. Leaving aside the revolvers (which lack manual safeties), I know that sweeping my thumb downward will make any of my semi-autos ready to fire: only one set of muscle-memory necessary. Right now, I don't get to shoot as much as I'd like, so keeping one set of muscle-memory honed is more than plenty of a challenge...

Anyway, I think that your question is very relevant to the use of firearms for self-defense, and I hope my question is as well. I look forward to reading your response.

-app

[Logical]

50. I agree a lot of levers......

This might sound weird but I love gadgets. And just want a gun that was fun to shoot and had some toys to play with. I have two carry weapons but wanted a full size gun for home security.

I would leave it safety off double action in the quick access gun safe.

Sounds odd maybe.

[Arctic Dave]

9. Try this.

[Logical]

12. Hmmmmm......worth a look

[ileus]

26. doesn't have a decocker or a safety...may as well go with a Glock or M&P instead.

[ileus]

23. That's pretty effective for work on my 7yo..but I opt for something heavier

he got this dish shooting nerf gun for Christmas those things shoot accurate, fast, and hard.

Just not that effective against a meth tweeker.

[The Doctor.]

10. Oh, you meant THAT kind of 'rec'.

[petronius]

13. Are you discussing this firearm in the context of self-defense, or is

this a recreation-oriented post?

[Logical]

14. Both!

[burf]

15. Thanks for reminding me.

No matter which make or model Logical would choose, I would recommend Jacket Hollow Points for self defense.

[Straw Man]

17. A budget option ...

... would be the police turn-in Smith & Wesson semi-autos (5906, 659, etc.) that a lot of the online retailers have now (S.O.G. et al). They're discontinued models, used in excellent shape: carried a lot, shot a little. Usually 15-round capacity, IIRC.

[Hoyt]

18. What capacity magazine do you think you'll need?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

21. "Full size 9mm" generally covers this question...

Generally, a full sized 9mm implies a double-stack magazine wth a full length grip. Typically 15-19 rounds will fit into such a platform and extended magazines are often offered that can bring capacity up to 25-33 rounds. However, a limited number of full size 9mm platforms are inherently sigle stack and will have about 10 round magazines.

So the complete answer to your question - based on the wording of the OP's desires is anywhere from 10-33 rounds... but most likely 15-19 rounds.

[ileus]

24. I'd avoid the 30's for life saving operations, In fact I avoid anything but factory for serious

life saving work....

I had a 25 rounder for my p89 once it fed pretty good but looked odd hanging out below the grip.

I do have some 33's and 20's for my sub-2000, I've never used the 33's but the 20's feed perfect. No reason to think they wouldn't in a beretta 92

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

28. My factory 30 rounders always worked great. I keep one of my big-sticks in my glovebox...

I figure if you really need it then you NEED it. In fact, I keep at least 1 mag for each of my possible CCW guns in my glovebox. I never know what I might be carrying so it's a way to ensure I have a spare mag when I'm out.

[ileus]

22. accept nothing less than 17 in 9mm. 15 is ok in a pinch...

I just ordered a 17 round magazine (with Xgrip) for my M&P 9c from midway. I'd moved away from it because of it's limited capacity of 12+1 for home defense. It's a fine conceal carry firearm @12+1 of 9 but why limit yourself in a HD situation.

5 more rounds could make a huge difference in a life saving emergency.



For now I'm accepting 10+1 of 40 S&W, I ordered a 12 round magazine for the 229.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/598760/sig-sauer-magazine-sig-sauer-p229-357-sig-40-s-and-w-12-round-steel-black


I looked at a M&P 40 and another sig 299 yesterday...I'm leaning toward a 2022 in 40 if I ever get to see how it fits my hand. As you may know sigs have a rather nasty habit of being thick in the grip area.

[S_B_Jackson]

27. Width of the grip of a Sig would depend upon the model

none of their single-stack models - P220, P225, P245, P239 - have that issue.

On the SP2022, it's very similar to the P228/229 with the smaller, pebbled surface grip, the larger grip has a palm-swell that I found I didn't like. It's probably got one of the best triggers of all models/manufacturers right out of the box.

[ileus]

30. I'm thinking about the E2 upgrade for my 229.

I've checked out a 2340 and hopefully I'll get a look at a co-workers 2022 this week. I really like SA/DA sigs....ummmmm.

I also laid hands on a co-workers p220 a few weeks ago...felt really nice, I do plan on getting a 220 sometime in the future. Nothing like shooting a 45 IMHO, I don't know what it is but they're just plain fun to shoot.

[S_B_Jackson]

36. If you've checked out a 2340

there's no functional difference between it and the 2022. The only real difference between them is the picatinny rail. I've swapped barrels between my old 2340 (given to my brother) and the 2022 that I got to replace it. Only thing I've added to the 2022 was a stainless guiderod.....the extra weight helps to control muzzle-flip when shooting .357 Sig.

[ileus]

41. Yeah a friend brought in his 2340 and 220

I really liked the 220, but for some reason I didn't care for the 2340, the decocker felt funky, and the hammer was pretty hard to get "ahold" of. He was wanting to sell the 2340 but not with enough of a price break to make it attractive.

I just didn't want to buy another "non-sig" pistol. I have one M&P compact so buying a fullsized 40 doesn't bother me.

The problem with my new sig 229 is it's so nice I don't want to shoot it. Figured if I had another poly gun with a rail I wouldn't mind shooting it. LOL

[S_B_Jackson]

45. Shoot the Sig 229...

they love it! You can tell from the smiles that will appear on the barrel.

No sure why you'd want to "get ahold of" the hammer, but the SPs are definitely full-size pistols...if your friend was asking for anywere over four bills, he was trying to jack you. Brand new an SP2022 goes for right at $399.

[ileus]

47. Oh I'm going to...

I just haven't had the time yet.

Yeah my co-worker made it clear I wouldn't be saving any money, he needed the cash to buy another replacement 40. LOL

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

29. Recently, I've been carrying 10+1 and using it for HD too.

Despite going from a 15+1 Glock 19 to a 10+1 Glock 29SF I don't feel like I've given up anything.
Then again it's full power 10mm... 135gr@1500fps or 165gr@1350 ... and that's from a G29 subcompact!

[ileus]

34. I'd love to have a G36....45 goodness

I don't reload and 10mm is hard to find....but it would be a nice round to have in a woods gun IMHO.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

37. Luckily, subcompact 10mm ian't the kind of gun to shoot alot for "fun".

It's not terribly difficult... but it's not something I want to shoot boxes of ammo through per visit. Just a mag every now and then to stay in practice. I think a snub nose .357 is still much harder to control. I'll bet 10mm is very easy ot shoot in a full size G20. Would make a great deer hunting gun.

[Atypical Liberal]

19. Ruger.

I don't know what the model number is, I think it's a P89, but I have a P90 which is .45ACP with a manual safety/decocker. Putting the weapon on safe decocks the firearm. Putting it back on fire allows the first shot to be DA with subsequent shots SA.

[ileus]

20. p89 is a fine fullsized option...I wish the p345 functioned the same.

I really wanted a 345 until I found out it was just a decocker. Points good and feels good in my hand but the super flat lever is hard to get "ahold" of for me.

[Logical]

31. Thanks! I will check it out!

[Bonhomme Richard]

32. Love this pistol and it won't break the bank

Bersa Thunder Pro 9mm High Capacity 17+1

[Bonhomme Richard]

33. This will probably be my next purchase

Bersa BP9CC

[Logical]

35. Wow, looks good.......

How does the safety/decocker work?
Push it up to decock and put on safety? Then pull down to take off safety?

[Bonhomme Richard]

38. Yes on decock and safety. A nice pistol to shoot and

I have put near a thousand rounds through it without a hiccup. It is also very easy to clean. Around $400. It also comes with two 17 round mags.

[Logical]

40. Wow, heading to Bass Pro to look at it later! Thanks!

[oneshooter]

39. Question, why a decocker AND a manual safety?

Decockers allow the hammer to rest on a hammer block which does not allow the hammer to strike the firing pin if dropped. When the trigger is pulled(doublt action), or the hammer thumbed back, the block drops out of the way and the firearm can be fired.
It would seem to me that having both would be a doubling of switches to manipulate.
My SIG220 has a decocker, my 1911's have two safetys. Both are one switch, or trigger pull, automatics. Neither have both.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Straw Man]

42. I'm just guessing here ...

Question, why a decocker AND a manual safety?

... but possibly because it would allow the user to choose to carry "cocked-and-locked" if he/she wants to. Usually a DA/SA would be carried hammer-down for a double-action first shot, but adding a manual safety that doesn't decock would allow for the traditional Condition One carry.

I might be missing something, though. Feel free to correct me. My only reference is a CZ-82 that is DA/SA and has a manual safety but no decocker -- it has to be manually decocked. The manual safety can only be applied when the hammer is back. The user has the option of carrying hammer-down after manually decocking (Condition Two) or cocked-and-locked with the manual safety (Condition One).

[ileus]

44. The FNX can be carried Cocked and Locked I know

and sig make a few SOA's models that can be carried cocked and locked....there may be others I'd like to see a list of non-1911's pistols that can be carried like that.

[ileus]

43. they do serve different purposes...

You'd only manipulate the decocker when you wanted to drop the hammer and the safety to put it on safety. Want to shoot DA, flip the safety and pull the trigger.

I don't mind not having the manual safety but with a exposed hammer I do like the decocker. That's one of he reasons I've never cared for the 1911, no decocker and I've never liked the grip safety. (but that's just me)

I kinda want the M&P just for the manual safety for my home gun, but I don't mind my M&P I have now without a manual safety.

I suppose it's one of those funny things...my daily carry pistols only one has a manual safety, and it's not in my rotation anymore. I like SAO's pull and shoot.

My current home defense pistol is the 229 with decocker only, but I'd like to have a manual safety so I'm leaning toward the M&P with a manual safety. Don't ask me why, I'm not sure.

Maybe I'm just all wrong in what I'd "like" vs what may be best in a stressful situation.

[rl6214]

46. I like my Ruger P85

[pipoman]

48. I have and have had several 9mm

and the ones I always go back to are my S&W 3914 and the older brother the S&W M39-2. They are great shooters. They have manual safeties/decockers, they are sgl/dbl action, sgl stack mags which make them thin and easy to carry, accuracy and recoil are great, they are readily available and pretty cheap used...$250-400 depending on model and condition. Someone around here carries a 3913 (Lady Smith) which is the same frame and function as the 3914.

edit..I'm not sure these models are considered full sized in retrospect..