One dozen moms demanding action get the brush-off from Kroger:

[friendly_iconoclast]

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2014/09/17/kroger-open-carry-protest/15773219/

'Moms' group challenges Kroger's gun stance

LANSING – A group protesting Michigan's open-carry gun rules hope a Lansing Kroger store's grand re-opening today will spur a new policy barring guns in the Holmes Street store.

Michigan Kroger representatives said that's not likely. The Cincinnati-based grocery chain is sticking by Michigan law, which doesn't prohibit openly carrying guns in public. Michigan gun owners have to have a concealed-pistol license, however, to carry guns concealed in public.

Kroger's stance won't stop Moms Demand Action's ongoing protests at Kroger stores, however, said Linda Brundage, who heads the group's mid-Michigan chapter. Brundage led a group of about 12 women at this morning's protest...

...Chris Albi, Kroger's vice president of merchandising for Michigan, said the company's Cincinnati headquarters was aware of today's protest, but isn't expected to change its policy.
"Our policy is consistent with what it's been all along, that we follow the state's regulations and we don't have a specific policy for Kroger at all," Albi said...

Nothing like a tidal wave of public protest to impel change, is there?

[virginia mountainman]

1. Yep...LOL...

Only 12? If that had been a group of gun RIGHTS supporters, they would have been called "insignificant" and "out of the mainstream"

[beevul]

2. Let me put a finer point on that for ya!

If that had been a group of gun RIGHTS supporters numbering in the hundreds, they would have been called "insignificant" and "out of the mainstream" by the media, and particularly by the twelve.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. On the contrary.

Two or three RKBA supporters is a threat to public safety. A dozen is an insurrection. A nationwide political group is a terrorist organization.

The anti-2A crowd will not be satisfied until their opponents are being shot down in the streets.

[virginia mountainman]

14. Yep,

Seems like you have spent time reading the drivel they post online... Very shocking how violent they are....

But hey, they are the "sensible" and "reasonable" ones, right?!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

20. "Very shocking how violent they are...."

And supposedly 2A supporters are the ones who are motivated by fear and an internalized sense of inadequacy.

[NYC_SKP]

3. But I understand they have a lot of Facebook "likes"!

That they call "members"!

And some smaller local facebook groups that they call "chapters"!

[ileus]

4. Time for bloomy to bus in more paid protesters.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

8. Bus in some that fit the MSM guidelines will be called "moms"

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Will those that don't, those who protest in favor of the RKBA, will they be called "outside agitators"?

[Duckhunter935]

5. wow 12

the tide is indeed turning. Any day now. Even the other group on here is showing it. I did not think it could get slower but it has in the last few weeks.

Number of posts, 30 days: 89

A couple of the 12 must be the regular posters over there. even SM and doxy have been MIA

Bloomie must have not paid for more this time.

And here

Number of posts, 30 days: 2,446

[virginia mountainman]

6. They just keep telling themsleves that..

THEY, are the mainstream, and THEY have 90% support...

What they have is a classic case of "believing your own propaganda"..

Bloomberg needs to write more checks,....

[Eleanors38]

7. "...about 12." About? The art of estimation took a dive.

[pablo_marmol]

9. So the RKBA supporters don't even need to show up to counter-protest anymore.

Just let the lame 'gun control' supporters embarrass themselves with negligible turnout!

[otohara]

10. I Won't Go, Because I'm Afraid

some angry white man with a gun would show up and kill us all.

Nope, not going to bring attention to my anti-gun views in public with so many people driving around with guns.

[DonP]

11. So, that explains why you never accomplish anything

No wonder you lose in every public forum and almost every legislative issue.

You don't show up so no one bothers to listen to you.

Keep up the good work, by all means.

[Duckhunter935]

12. we have always

been told it was the firearms owners that are paranoid and afraid.

[otohara]

15. True That Too

Now gun owners and the police have us all scared to death and divided like never before.

The comments about the moms in this thread are childish - calling Michael Bloomberg Bloomy and other names.
I don't even want to know people who spew this shit including my nephew who used to be a cop until a motorcycle accident. Now he's just a racist jerk with his guns and constant ridicule.

I don't remember the MADD moms being trashed for trying to save lives.

[Duckhunter935]

16. well we firearms owners have been called a lot worse right here

and none of the pr-control side seemed to have a complaint. I am sure you will be the first to call that wrong, am I right on that.

Try future murderers, killers in waiting, wanting to go out and kill people, blood on you hands, Child killers. And do not forget the endless penis jokes and stereotyping that has happened here for years that we have taken.

So what bad names has Bloomie and his Astroturf moms been called here? Just because Bloomberg has billions to finance and bus people to his events and Shannon Watts is a PR executive that tries to just pass herself off as a poor stay at home mom.

At least this group allows for the other side of the argument to post and have an opinion unlike the pro-control side that requires a "safe haven" and is afraid of any dissent and blocks anyone they disagree with.

You might want to post over there as it is very slow and seems to have misplaced two of the main posters. A handy link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

Number Blocked members
1 hack89
2 Eleanors38
3 Crepuscular
4 Bay Boy
5 ManiacJoe
6 bossy22
7 Straw Man
8 oneshooter
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11 rrneck
12 customerserviceguy
13 ProgressiveProfessor
14 sarisataka
15 appal_jack
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17 geckosfeet
18 Hangingon
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20 Jenoch
21 spin
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23 SoutherDem
24 Lurks Often
25 ileus
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31 Jgarrick
32 Valakut
33 arst1
34 Nuclear Unicorn
35 TupperHappy
36 pipoman
37 yeoman6987
38 Laelth
39 IronGate
40 VScott

[gejohnston]

17. kind of a broad brush don't you think?

What does your nephew have to do with anyone else?
and how much of it is just media created hype that don't match the truth? Most of it.
The difference between MADD and MDA is MADD was not for bringing back the Volstead Act, actually cared about saving lives, and are not dishonest. They also actually exist. Unlike MDA or Brady, they also didn't advocate violence against those who disagree with them. Your "moms" do all of that.
MDA doesn't exist outside of being a PR firm creation, Popvox Public Relations LLC, founded by former Monsanto PR executive. She is being paid to do a job by Bloomberg, who is a paying client. She isn't in it for saving lives. Bloomberg doesn't care about lives. He cares about his political and personal power. It is also about culture war.
It's like the guy in California who shot and stabbed six people. Do they care about the deaths of the three stabbed people? No, because it doesn't serve their political purpose.
After Newtown, Bloomberg's internal emails (between him and his lobbyist using NYC government computers, obtained by FOIA) they were giddy about pushing their latest initiative and were pissed at Brady for poaching their celebrities. There was no sorrow for the lives lost. Had the kids been killed with a machete, it wouldn't be on their radar.

[otohara]

22. My Moms

are making a difference - and if Kroger wants the gun crowd taking selfies of themselves with guns pointed and vile words and threats posted on their Facebook page, they can have them. I was a King Soopers weekly shopper for decades - but no more. I even spoke to the manager at the new store just blocks from my house.

So this mom is following though on a pledge to avoid stores where gun nuts are more valued than the women who do most of the shopping.

Thanks for the anti-Michael Bloomberg info but I don't care what you say about the man or how much he spends and who he hired. Do you demonize all victims of gun violence? You must really be pissed at Gabby Giffords, I hear she's gotten "mean". Gun shots to the head must do crazy things to those who survive.

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. "Do you demonize all victims of gun violence?" He did no such thing.

And as for

vile words and threats posted on their Facebook page

...
the disinterested reader will note just which side of the issue posted the following:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172130667#post24

Loudly (2,436 posts)
24. I don't agree with your premise that displaying a firearm is protected.
It is a threat which should be dealt with as such.

Harshly and with extreme prejudice

[Duckhunter935]

27. I am sure the poster in this thread

will be right along to apologize for those disgusting comments from the pro-control side.

But I thought those people never said anything like that.

[gejohnston]

25. what victim did I demonize

are making a difference - and if Kroger wants the gun crowd taking selfies of themselves with guns pointed and vile words and threats posted on their Facebook page, they can have them. I was a King Soopers weekly shopper for decades - but no more. I even spoke to the manager at the new store just blocks from my house

The only vile words and threats I have seen are from the anti gun crowd. As for selfies in Krogers, I'm skeptical of them being real, since I have only seen them in MDA propaganda. You don't become Monstanto's PR Chief without being well versed in things like deception and disinformation on the level of intelligence agencies.

So this mom is following though on a pledge to avoid stores where gun nuts are more valued than the women who do most of the shopping.

What about the women that are "gun nuts"? All of the CCW holders I personally know are women. Even when it was easier to get a CCW in Canada than Wyoming, all of the "toters" I knew were women.

Thanks for the anti-Michael Bloomberg info but I don't care what you say about the man or how much he spends and who he hired. Do you demonize all victims of gun violence? You must really be pissed at Gabby Giffords, I hear she's gotten "mean". Gun shots to the head must do crazy things to those who survive.

Bloomberg has never been a victim of gun or any other violence. Same with Shannon Watts. If anything, he is a victim of his own greed and lust for power. Watts and all of the other "Moms" that show up are paid employees for the most part. All very white and (and judging they way they are dressed) not in need of the money.

[pablo_marmol]

18. "The comments about the moms in this tread are childish......"

You really want to go there, with all of the infantile name-calling your team is guilty of?

[pablo_marmol]

19. Alright, so you won't go because your afraid.

But setting aside your irrational fear for the moment -- you are not representative of the whole of "gun control" supporters.

Your brothers and sisters are no-shows because they're all mouth and no action.

[otohara]

21. All Mouth vs Guns?

that's why I stay away - stalkers and haters of women with anger and guns nearby.

My irrational fear of men started when I was a little girl and a man just had to show me his penis in the alley near our house, then when I was a girl scout at the park with my fellow scouts another man just had to show us his penis. Then there was that man who
wouldn't take no for an answer. Then there were two peeping types when I lived by myself and the stalker who use to scare the shit out of me and no one would do anything, he had a gun. So I took it upon myself to go to his apartment and told him that I have told everyone I know that if something happens to me, you did it.

And finally there was the abusive first husband.

So don't tell me or other women that fear of men is irrational. I read about the men who shoot their wives and kids, road rage involving guns, cops sexually assaulting women they arrest, it goes on and on. Ray Rice sure showed his wife a thing or two.

My mouth won't kill anyone, but my mouth could get me killed by a man.

[friendly_iconoclast]

23. What happened to you was and is wrong, but that doesn't make MDA correct

Your experiences should never have happened, but they do not give you license to stereotype.

Women are 20-24% of gun owners, and have participated in open carry actions. These
women (like ALL women) are just as capable of agency as men.

[otohara]

26. Um These Weren't Experiences

They were CRIMES and I'm lucky to be alive.

I know Ray Rice is yesterday's news but ... there was an 84% increase in calls to The National Domestic Violence Hotline. Good thing, yes?

Educating women on what might happen to them or the kids when guns are in the home is the correct thing to do. Like me, sure wish MDA would have been around when my son was a kid. I would have asked about guns in homes for a couple reasons. Instead I assumed gun owners were responsible and wouldn't dare put their kids in danger or mine. But that all changed when I found him at a neighbors house oogling a pile of guns with their two boys. No child should die from a gun, yet it happens all the time in this country.

Better safe than sorry or dead.

[Duckhunter935]

28. So you take it out on all men?

How very nice as we all know all men are the same and of course all gun owners, male and female must be the same. Just crazy people hoping to kill another human being. I am truly sorry for what happened to you and I hope things are changing for the better but please do not use that broad brush on all of us.

And no child should die in a swimming pool or due to a drunk or distracted driver. I hope you are just as outraged by that that also happens a lot more than a child dying by a firearm.

[otohara]

34. Mothers Took On Drunk Drivers

were you enraged by them too?

Moms Against Bullying?

Moms Against Swimming In Pools maybe someday - still fewer kids die in pools vs guns in America.

2010 - 172 pools http://blog.poolcenter.com/article.aspx?articleid=6135
2010 - 2694 kids and teens guns.
http://www.childrensdefense.org/child-research-data-publications/data/state-data-repository/protect-children-not-guns-key-facts-2013.pdf

Baby beds are recalled, car seats are the law, toys are regulated... but when it comes to kids and guns...accidental shootings are just another oppsie.

[Duckhunter935]

36. Some answers

MADD

I have no issues with them as they are going after the problem and have genuine safety programs to help out. That is unlike MDA and Bloomberg that only want to restrict all firearms or select firearms features and ownership and have no safety programs to teach firearms safety. As much as I hate and disagree the lobbying part of the NRA at least the other part does teach firearms safety to adults and children unlike MDA. I am more worried on my motorcycle from distracted drivers than I am from some knucklehead that open carries.

but when it comes to kids and guns...accidental shootings are just another oppsie.

and it should not be, the owner should be held accountable. But some here lump all of the millions of law abiding firearms owners that do not allow that to happen in with them and want to penalize them for following the rules and doing nothing wrong.

2010 - 2694 kids and teens guns.

Have to love how they included 18 and 19 year old adults as teens to ensure gang and drug violence murders are captured to inflate the numbers. Hard to give credit to that when they have to game the numbers to make it look worse than it actually is. 18 and 19 year old people are adults.

from your link.....

Older teenagers are most at risk from gun violence, Black male teens are most at risk.
•
Eighty-six percent of gun deaths and 89 percent of gun injuries in 2010 occurred in 15-19 year-olds.
•
Black males ages 15-19 were nearly 30 times more likely to die in a gun homicide than White males of
the same age and more than three times more likely to die in a gun homicide than Hispanic males of
the same age

[gejohnston]

38. false comparsan

you included unintentional (accident or negligent, I lean towards the latter. There are no gun accidents with modern firearms, they do not "just go off". OK, there is the Type 94 Nambu pistol ) of pools with murders and suicides with firearms. Children's Defense Fund knows it is false information, and they are lying. They are also using all gun homicides regardless of age. According to the CDC, all under 18 gun deaths (homicide, suicide, stupidity with a gun.) 1,337. Using what the CDC defines as chidren
1-14, there were 369 gun deaths (again including homicide, suicide, "accidents&quot . Poisonings and falls?
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm

Baby beds are recalled, car seats are the law, toys are regulated... but when it comes to kids and guns...accidental shootings are just another oppsie.

Guns have safeties, most have more than one. None of those are accidents. Most of those are brainwashed by gangs to hate the other guy. Oh, and there is the drug connection who doesn't like competition. Yes, every toke is soaked in blood. Yes, bong owners are responsible and finance most of the gun violence in North America.

[backwoodsbob]

49. Hitler believed in gun control

are you a member of the Hitler youth?

Oh wait...that would be ott bullshit...the same thing you have engaged in over and over on this thread

[gejohnston]

29. quick question

But that all changed when I found him at a neighbors house oogling a pile of guns with their two boys. No child should die from a gun, yet it happens all the time in this country.

What do you mean "oogling a pile of guns"? Actually, few children die by gun accidents or negligence in the US. 62 out of a population of millions. Most are mutual combatants (or innocent bystanders) of drug gangs, who will still have their guns no matter what law is passed or still in existence. Shall we discuss football?
Are you saying that introducing the shooting sports to kids will result in death? You would feel threatened by me (along with several other high school students) walking by your house with our .22s on rifle club day? The teachers, administration, and any cops driving by certainly didn't. Neither did any of the other students when we put them and the ammo in our lockers. You would actually feel threatened by this group?
http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~shooting/
How many high school and college target shooters die on the range each year? Zero. If there were any, the anti gun hysteria would be in full blast. Football? 12 last year.
Given they use thousands of rounds a month for practice, at least one California politician would send the cops to their houses because some of them are women and some are not white. Yes, it is the "ghost gun" fool.

[NYC_SKP]

50. Hypocrites, how ever do they get elected?

I mean this Kevin DeLeon fool is unbelievable.

[Duckhunter935]

51. yep, can't argue there nt

[gejohnston]

30. Post Script

Statistically, men are not only the majority of murder victims, they are also most likely to get shot (92 percent of male murder victims). Women shot less often, something like 17 percent. When it comes to DV, they are most likely to be killed with bare hands or mele weapon (baseball bat or knife).

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

39. Speaking of Ray Rice have you read this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/07/shaneen-allen_n_5659383.html

Prosecutor Who Let Ray Rice Off For Domestic Abuse Pushes Prosecution Of Philly Single Mom

The same prosecutor who let professional football star Ray Rice avoid a trial after beating his wife unconscious are pushing forward with the prosecution of Shaneen Allen, a single mother who carried a gun into New Jersey without realizing her Pennsylvania permit didn't apply there.

Allen, a mother of two from Philadelphia, was driving in New Jersey last fall when she was pulled over by a police officer. She informed the officer she had a handgun in her purse and a Pennsylvania license-to-carry permit, at which point the officer arrested her and charged her with a felony for unlawful possession of a weapon, because New Jersey does not recognize out-of-state gun permits.

Allen tried to avoid a trial and jail time by applying to a pre-trial intervention program in New Jersey for first-time offenders. Ray Rice, the Baltimore Ravens running back who knocked his then-fiancee unconscious during an altercation in Atlantic City in February, was accepted into the program in May.

But Atlantic County prosecutor Jim McClain, the same prosecutor who allowed Rice to avoid prosecution, denied Allen's application to the program on Wednesday.

More at the link

Apparently male celebrities get a pass for violence but single moms are made into examples when they try to protect themselves.

[Duckhunter935]

41. they forget to cite those facts

does not fit the narrative

[pablo_marmol]

45. "So don't tell me or other women that fear of men is irrational."

You're moving the goalposts. First you are afraid of being in the presence of pro-gun rights supporters carrying, now it's a fear of men in general.

You'd better believe that if a Controller were shot by a gun rights supporter at a protest or rally MSNBC would cover it non-stop for a year. It just doesn't happen -- so YES -- you can bob and weave all you want, but your fear is irrational.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

48. "stalkers and haters of women with anger and guns nearby."

Gun rights are women's rights.

Restraining orders are nothing more than a propaganda campaign to lull unsuspecting women into a false sense of security.

[Politicalboi]

31. I hope Kroger's croaks

Let the gun nuts shop there. Let them fight it out when someone doesn't trust another shopper. Give it time, it's going to happen more and more. Just have plenty of popcorn and NO sympathy.

[Duckhunter935]

32. If we had the choice here

I would support Kroger for them following local and state laws and not being bullied.

[840high]

33. I shop at Kroger - have never

seen a gun except on cops.

[otohara]

35. The NRA Doesn't Put Up With Bullies of The Female Gender

either - instead they spend millions to insure domestic abuse bullies and stalker bullies with guns can keep their guns.

There's bullies and then their's dangerous bullies.

I'm just waiting for a gun to go off in Krogers killing or injuring an innocent bystander. It will happen, just a matter of time.

[Duckhunter935]

37. I will not hold my breath waiting

And you are quite wrong in your last post, here is the LAW as it is now

The Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban often called "the Lautenberg Amendment"

The act bans shipment, transport, ownership and use of guns or ammunition by individuals convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, or who are under a restraining (protection) order for domestic abuse in all 50 states. The act also makes it unlawful to knowingly sell or give a firearm or ammunition to such persons.

This even applies to active duty military as they can not be legally issued weapons

[friendly_iconoclast]

40. I suspect your citation of the Lautenberg Amendment will be studiously ignored

Factose intolerance tends to have that sort of effect on people...

[Duckhunter935]

42. I expect so

Most of the time the subject suddenly gets changed, or one of the following happens.

Cited as "NRA talking points"
Name calling begins
Penis references show up

[friendly_iconoclast]

44. On this thread it's been, "How DARE you suggest my experiences aren't universal"

As far as that goes, the two attempted muggers that I've personally encountered were
both African-American but I don't go online and offer up my experiences to rationalize
claims that "blacks can't be trusted"

Misogyny outnumbers misandry about 1000:1, but when misandry does actually
make one of its rare appearances it tends to be a doozy...

[virginia mountainman]

43. You big bully !!!!!!

Could not resist!

[Eleanors38]

46. 20,000,000 women gun-owners ain't worried about the NRA.

For the most part, they have more tangible threats in mind.

[beevul]

47. Who should "Put Up With Bullies of The Female Gender"?

You got a list or something?

[WinkyDink]

52. People ought now shop elsewhere. Imagine James Holmes walking around a grocery store with an

"open-carry" weapon.

Jeez, he wouldn't need to surreptitiously enter a darkened movie theatre to kill!

[friendly_iconoclast]

53. Feel free to shop where you like, as the rest of us will do likewise