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[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

There's a word that finds its way to both sides of this discussion. There's a demand for guns in the economic sense. In the political sense there are demands for new laws and demands for the protection of rights such as the RKBA. "Moms" are demanding action.

Andrea James, an analyst for Dougherty & Co. summed it up in the following way: "The best thing for firearms demand is to have the constant threat of legislation without ever actually having the legislation."
http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/08/firearm-sales-have-slumped-because-the-nra-is-too-good-at-stopping-legislation/379372/

What should be the political considerations be for negotiating?
What are your demands?
What is most critically in need of remaining in place?
What needs to be chucked away?
What new laws are needed?

[spin]

1. I will address one of your questions. ....

What new laws are needed?

It seems most logical to me that we should concentrate on passing legislation which helps to insure that only honest, responsible and sane people should be able to legally purchase firearms. I also feel that an individual should have to be able to show some proof of firearm safety training before purchasing a firearm or ammunition.

We should also increase our efforts to stop the illegal smuggling and sale of firearms and increase the severity of the penalties for engaging in such activities.

Attempts to pass gun bans or limitations on the capacity of magazines seems to be counterproductive to me as it hinders the passage of more reasonable legislation and often increases the sale of such items.

[NYC_SKP]

4. I agree with all of these points.

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With the caveat that we should accept that many firearms should stay "grandfathered in", lest we initiate a gun registry which gives those who would the tools needed to confiscate post-possession.

I'm all for safety training, also loss of rights for convicted violent offenders and some scrutiny on objects of restraining orders, no possession for those convicted of domestic violence.

[spin]

6. Sounds fair to me. (n/t)

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

12. I accept as a goal...

"...legislation which helps to insure that only honest, responsible and sane people should be able to legally purchase firearms." However, I feel any exercise designed to verify that an individual is honest, responsible or sane can go to far.

I think a national standard needs to be adopted for firearm transport because states can't seem to cooperate with each other.

We also need to decriminalize various victimless crimes and let those that could be productive back into society and concentrate more on keeping violent criminals locked up.

Ray Rice needs some cell time. Sheneen Allen needs PTI (pre-trial intervention for first-time offenders.)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/07/shaneen-allen_n_5659383.html

[spin]

14. The devil may be in the details of how we determine who is honest enough ...

to legally buy a firearm.

Non violent people who commit victimless crimes should not be unnecessarily excluded.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

15. Agreed on both points. n/t

[mwrguy]

2. Record sales figures can't last forever

It had to taper off sooner or later.

Billy Bob spent the last two years squirreling away assault rifles, and now he's out of both room and money.

[DonP]

3. Wow! Nice stereotyping ... ignorant but nice.

I guess your doctor, accountants and professional people never buy guns, just those knuckle dragging rednecks

You know, that same ones that beat you every time at the polls about gun control every time it comes up for a vote.

But this is about the third time in the last decade we've heard that from the control minded folks. And every time they try to pass another ban ... sales skyrocket again.

[Eleanors38]

5. Well Daisy Mae must still be spending & buying guns...

since women make up the fastest growing segment of the gun-owning public.

Another correction: Your fanciful Billy Bob may have purchased a semi-auto carbine, but I doubt he purchased a highly regulated and expensive assault rifle.

[IronGate]

8. What a fucking ignorant post.

BTW, Assault Rifles is far different from " Assault Weapons".
Learn what your talking about before you make a fool of yourself, oooops, too late!!!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. re: "...assault rifles..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172153693

A semi-auto rifle, regardless of other features and any misinformation pushed by pro-control and media, is NEVER an "assault rifle". Please give up your seat among the misinformed and join the discussion.

[Straw Man]

10. Conundrums.

Billy Bob spent the last two years squirreling away assault rifles, and now he's out of both room and money.

I'm constantly amazed by the fact that the AR-toting doctors, lawyers, and software engineers that I encounter at the range are all named Billy Bob or Goober. Furthermore, they all wear overalls and spit tobacco juice everywhere. You'd think that would be a professional liability, but I guess not.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

11. I wonder what's more popular...

...RedMan, Southern Pride, Copenhagen...??? I'll have to ask some fellow engineers.

[Eleanors38]

7. Andrea James seems to ratify an obvious dynamic...

few wish to acknowledge. The state of the culture war (where guns are merely the instant proxy) has become so one-sided that the antis- are like the condemned in Hades' sea of shit: Standing in the muck up to their lower lips, unable to make a move lest they suffer That horrid consequence, and can only wait for the devil to zoom by in his speed boat.

I concluded after watching T.V., from NBC to Telemundo, that the huge lines cueing down streets and around blocks to get into gun shows all over the country were less about the threat of real bans and more about millions of people shoving their collective finger into the face of gun-controllers. Frankly, I didn't expect that. I didn't expect to see the motivation, the unaffected openess of these "demonstrators" as they gazed baldly into cameras and waited their turns to vote with their wallets only weeks after Sandy Hook. That's real power.

It's no wonder controllers scream in their stagnation, and willingly accept the biggest of corporate help from the tiniest of elites without a hint of irony in this, a Democratic forum. Gun control has always been about elites talking to elites.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

13. Some are prisoners...

...of their own device.