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beevul

(12,194 posts)
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 02:48 PM Aug 2014

High Court: Police need ‘reasonable suspicion’ to frisk for guns

High Court: Police need ‘reasonable suspicion’ to frisk for guns

August 08, 2014 5:00 am • By HOWARD FISCHER Capitol Media Services

PHOENIX — Police cannot frisk someone they stop and question absent some “reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot,” the Arizona Supreme Court ruled Thursday.

In their unanimous decision affirming the right to carry a gun without interference, the justices rejected arguments by prosecutors that a simple belief someone is armed and dangerous is enough to justify a frisk, even without any evidence of criminal activity. They said the U.S. Constitution dictates otherwise.

“The Fourth Amendment protects the right of people to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures,” wrote Justice Rebecca Berch.

“When officers consensually engage citizens on the street without having any evidence of wrongdoing, the mere presence of a weapon does not afford officers constitutional permission to search weapons-carrying individuals,” she said. “To conclude otherwise would potentially subject countless law-abiding persons solely for exercising their right to carry a firearm.”

http://azdailysun.com/news/local/state-and-regional/high-court-police-need-reasonable-suspicion-to-frisk-for-guns/article_e4b658f8-1ebe-11e4-b5fe-001a4bcf887a.html



Worth reading a second time, with a little emphasis of my own:

“To conclude otherwise would potentially subject countless law-abiding persons solely for exercising their right to carry a firearm.”

It seems to me that dovetails quite accurately with "keep and bear".

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High Court: Police need ‘reasonable suspicion’ to frisk for guns (Original Post) beevul Aug 2014 OP
from probable cause to questionseverything Aug 2014 #1
I agree. Slippery Slope here. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #2
Reasonable suspicion is BS discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #3
Does seem a tetch peculiar. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #5
"Reasonable suspicion" to frisk for anything. Good post! Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #4
peaceful people should be able to come and go in peace. ileus Aug 2014 #6
Arizona Supreme Court says mwrguy Aug 2014 #7
As God said to Noah (aka Bill Cosby) discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #8
I'm just delighted the said Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #9
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. I agree. Slippery Slope here.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:21 PM
Aug 2014

As it is, "probably cause" is abused enough as it is.

"Reasonable suspicion" can mean a lot of things to a lot of people, it's just too subjective.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
9. I'm just delighted the said
Fri Aug 22, 2014, 07:06 AM
Aug 2014

"criminal activity is afoot." We don't get to see writing like that very often these days.

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