How Right-Wing Loons and Pro-Gun Nuts Blame Everything But Guns for Mass Shootings

[SecularMotion]

April 7, 2014 | When a mass shooting occurs, conservative media rush to blame mental health, video games, a lack of armed people present, and even liberal values -- anything but the fact that the shooter was able to get a gun.

But the single proximate factor in all mass shootings, and in all gun violence really, is that it is easy for dangerous people to access high-powered firearms. Lack of access to firearms typically makes it difficult for would-be mass murderers to carry out their plans. For instance, experts say mass stabbings are extremely rare in the United States. To the contrary, 69 percent of all homicides are committed with a gun. Of 37 public mass killings since 2006, 33 involved firearms, while the Boston Marathon bombings, an incident involving a car, and two cases of arson accounted for the other four incidents.

Furthermore, academic research has linked the easy availability of firearms to homicide. According to numerous studies, "where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide." Compared to other high income nations which typically more strongly regulate the availability of firearms, the United States' gun homicide rate is 19.5 times higher, leading to an overall homicide rate that is 6.9 times higher. Research has also shown, "across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded."

Following the April 2 shooting at Fort Hood that left three victims dead and 16 others wounded, conservative media have refused to acknowledge the role of easy access to firearms in shootings and have instead claimed mass shootings are caused by video games, mental health problems, the "culture war," and by a deficiency in the number of firearms carried by the general public.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/how-right-wing-loons-and-pro-gun-nuts-blame-everything-guns-mass-shootings

[SQUEE]

1. We are having DISCUSSIONS

Here, on ways to encourage more gun safes, thereby limiting acces of guns to unsavory or unstable people here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172142220

Possible answers to safer carry on Military bases. Which i am excited about as it could give a test bed for enhanced training regulations and screenings for public carry.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172142082

Maybe you could join the discussion, you know as in the TOS.

[SecularMotion]

2. Hi foreign follower

Please stop derailing threads and being disruptive.

[clffrdjk]

3. Lol

"Please stop derailing threads and being disruptive."
What thread, what is he disrupting?

[SecularMotion]

4. My flock is growing

Hi follower

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5. I did reply, to point out your premise is flawed

I posted 2 examples of pro 2A people discussing ways to address some of your, >ahem< cocnerns

do you think you could get away with pointing out another posters place of birth as an identifier in other forums, that i think is disruptive.

Want to discuss any of my 2 examples? I actually do, and have.

[SecularMotion]

6. I have no interest in your "discussions"

and you'll notice that I didn't disrupt your threads.

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7. If discourse is not your aim...

There is a safe haven for your threads, perhaps you would be more comfortable staying there, the atmosphere being more, suited, to your temperament as
you hardly enter any threads, you have nothing to add to any of them except inuendo, schoolyard taunts and happy face taunts. all those are welcome and celebrated
here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

[SecularMotion]

9. I repeat, please stop being disruptive

[DonP]

17. Gee, maybe you should have us all banned. Ooops, wrong group. Better luck next time.

[Duckhunter935]

27. I think Secullar gets lost

and forgets what forum he is doing the drive by in.

Any response to the OP is disruptive

[beevul]

35. "Stop disrupting"

"Stop disrupting"


I'm reminded of those scenes both real and in movies, in which a cop is shouting "stop resisting" while attempting to put the boots to someone.

[oneshooter]

34. The way I see it, it is NOT your job to determine who is "disruptive" here.

It is the job of the Host of THIS forum. Whether you believe that he is not doing his job is NOT your det5ermination. If you don't like the posters here, then LEAVE.

Simple really.

[IronGate]

8. Right off the bat, let me just say I have no interest in discussing guns,

but, I've got to jump in here and say this about your comment here.
Wow, just wow

It would seem you're the one disrupting this group, he asked you a very pertinent question and you come back with inane dribble, accusing him of disrupting your thread, which seems to be a pattern with you.

I think sooner or later, the host of this group is going to say enough is enough and you'll no longer be allowed to disrupt this group, but until that happens, just keep doing what you accuse others of doing.

[SecularMotion]

10. Yes, the host of this group needs to address the harassment of liberal gun views.

There are far too many pro-gun trolls in this group and on DU as a whole who do nothing but stalk and disrupt any discussions that they deem "anti-gun." It is time for the gun forum host and DU admins to address this issue.

[SQUEE]

11. I only respond to you here in RKBA

A place to discuss those issues, I rarely engage in discussion in any other forum.

How is your dumping but not discussing actually helping anyone. I asked, in your group BTW, how we can get anything accomplished merely playing gotcha and playing sophistry. I was banned, it is a heart felt question. I would like to see 2 things first less mayhem and violence, but also want to be left alone and not cast as a villain, monster, or racist because, on ONE issue, I am not deemed liberal enough by certain gate keepers. How can that be accomplished Secular, lets discuss that.

[IronGate]

12. If you were posting threads about liberal gun views,

I'd say go for it, but that's not what you're doing.

But until the host addresses this, you keep on keeping on.
BTW, I won't respond again, as stated in my earlier post, firearms discussion don't excite me in the least and I've made my point here.

[SecularMotion]

13. You sound familiar

[NYC_SKP]

19. You abuse this group, and you abuse and insult the DU community.

Such replies as you've made in this thread would, on DU2, be removed as group insults and you'd probably be given a time out altogether.

You're divisive and snarky replies only prove the weakness of any position you take.

If you had facts and reason on your side, you would use those.

I don't care if you post crap here or not, I find it entertaining and I really respect the host of this group for being very reasonable and tolerant.

Now, carry on with your whatever it is you're doing here.

[SecularMotion]

21. I've seen the replies to your posts and I remember the threads in meta

I know how the DU community feels about you and your behavior on DU.

[blueridge3210]

22. Why don't you tell us how the "DU Community" feels? (nt)

[NYC_SKP]

24. A select number, fewer than ten and probably half that number, weren't paying attention.

If you're referring to that incident of a protest post I made, when admins changed the rules for GD post-Newtown, and then deleted.

I thought you were brighter than them about it.

Unless you're talking about something else discussed in meta, in which case you'd have to describe it because IDK WTH you're taling about.

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[Duckhunter935]

28. Agreed

I am glad the host allows this to stand as it proves our point on who actually wants civil discussion.

krispos42, Thank you very much for being our host

[Nuclear Unicorn]

32. So, you're not content banning all dissent in your own domain

you demand others do your stifling of non-conformist opinion for you.

Automated Message: You have been blocked from a group

You have been blocked from posting in the Gun Control Reform Activism group by SecularMotion. If you believe this is an error, you may contact SecularMotion for more information.

You should be embarrassed to make that post but I know you aren't.

[gejohnston]

33. your views are not liberal

they may be progressive (even that is debatable), but they are not liberal. Liberal means more individual freedom and reason over dogma. Gun prohibitionists/gun controllers use arguments that have no basis in reality, appeal to emotion by exploiting fear and ignorance, and are highly dogmatic. One only has to look at the name calling at the other group. Same narrow minded bigotry, different other.

[Lizzie Poppet]

14. Ah, so you admit you're only here to spam the board.

Thank you, Captain Obvious...but pretty much everyone in this group already knows that.

[blueridge3210]

18. Then why are you posting on a discussion board? (NT)

[beevul]

23. Then why are you here? Our SOP says...

Our SOP says:

"Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence."

If you aren't here to discuss, then you should self enforce our SOP as stridently as you enforce the SOP of bansalot, and trash this forum, and not come back until you learn to follow the SOP here equally as much as you expect it followed in bansalot.

[blueridge3210]

16. You're not the victim here. (NT)

[gejohnston]

15. Alternet's quality has gone down hill

So many misinformation, so little time.

[NYC_SKP]

20. Ditto, from time to time, TruthOut and ThinkProgress.

They are simply on the wrong side of the issue and when they use kids and emotion to make a point it makes me shake my head.

[Jenoch]

25. I'm a little confused.

The OP continues to post in this group but doesn't want to discuss the topics of his posts? What am I missing?

[blueridge3210]

26. Absolutely nothing. (NT)

[Duckhunter935]

29. nothing

it is just allowed to show how childish some are.

We learn to live with it.

[ileus]

31. There used to be a gun trolling group

that only posted here to try and get 2A progressive democrats banned.

They weren't interested in debate, only to berate their enemy...when the got the response they wanted it was tombstone time.

[ileus]

30. Should be titled how 2A regressives blame guns for mass shootings.

I suppose they've watched one too many sifi flicks.