Now Rahm calls for a statewide registry for all handguns in Illinois

[DonP]

A week ago Rahm signed a check for close to $400,000 as partial payment for legal fees for losing the McDonald case at SCOTUS, but it hasn't slowed his desire for more control or to gamble with the people's tax money one little bit.

I doubt if that big ass check has even cleared yet, but ...

In spite of closing Chicago libraries every Monday, plans to close 14 schools in Chicago and lay off a hundred or more teachers, consolidate police districts, install speed cameras near every street corner to generate revenue etc., Rahm is now willing to gamble tax money in court again, by calling for the statewide registration of all handguns at $65 each, "to help solve Chicago's crime problems".

http://www.wbez.org/story/emanuel-push-state-wide-handgun-registry-96226

I wonder how many Chicago gang members will be registering their collections, if Rahm gets his way? Will they finally start checking the serial numbers and ballistics of all those guns they get at the next "buy back"?

At least he and Daley's bodyguards and none of the Chicago aldercritters will have to register any of their handguns.

Our downstate Dems (e.g. everyone not from Chicago) are already saying the idea is a non starter legislatively.

[Glassunion]

1. So... Basically he is saying: "We can't fight actual crime or actual criminals"

So... We will take something that is perfectly legal now and making it a crime so we can say we are fighting crime.

This law(if passed) will not effect actual criminals at all.

[Lefty48197]

8. I was shocked to read that more than 1/2 of guns used in Chicago crimes were from outstate areas.

Everybody seems to think that crime eminates entirely from within the big city's limits, but here we have evidence that outstate and even rural gun suppliers are arming the big city criminals.

[Glassunion]

9. Here is the problem

How many crimes were solved or prevented by the city's registry where the crime gun came from within city limits?

[PavePusher]

13. Really? You are implying direct sales.

I wonder how many links there were in the chain between retail and crime and over what time period. IIRC, the FBI stats say something like an average of 11 years from retail to crime use. So I don't think the linkage is as direct as you insinuate.

[SteveW]

20. I don't think that has much bearing on the behavior of the thug...

Most persons convicted of homicide in this country have extensive felony records. They are not particular about where the guns come from, just like most people who obtain illegal substances are not particular as to where the substance comes from. Unless they are connoisseurs.

Prohibition is an ornately-dressed priest, eyes cast rapturously heavenward, and trailing an odor most peculiar.

[DonP]

22. Since there are exactly zero gun stores in Chicago, I'd guess they all came from out of the city

Or from crooked cops.

In fact I think there is only a handful of gun stores left in Cook County at all.

[SteveW]

19. ...but we can impose restrictions on the law-abiding -- and get a fee, too! nt

[virginia mountainman]

2. LOL he just won't give up will he...

Thats right Rahm, stir up the very active gun rights community in the rest of Illinois..
After all, the don't vote, or spend ANY money in political campaigns??? Or do they??

I hope he realizes that his nearly $400,000 check to SAF will be used against him...

But he should not worry, the Brady Campaign will have his back with their $7,860 dollar war chest..Less of course their new president's and his staff's salary's and assorted perks....

Compare.. this...
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00113449


to this ONE transaction.. By way of Chicago taxpayers, with Rahm's signature..



In conclusion, he can wish in one hand, and crap in the other....Then he can see which gets filled first.

[DonP]

4. Well, it's not like it's his own money anyway

None of these laws apply to him or his 50 alder people. He, his family's and Daley's bodyguards are not affected, Dick Mel, FiL of Blago, will still have his collection of 1st generation Colts and Lugers ... that he keeps forgetting to register with the city ... but gets overlooked every year anyway.

I'm sure this will be handled be the same team of legal geniuses that lost the McDonald case and that the appellate court referred to as "Too cute by half" with their latest round of gun restrictions for Chicago in the Ezell v. Chicago case. Yeah, he'll do well in court again.

And the law firm that Richie Daley's little brothers is a partner at will get another fat retainer out of the tax money.

If they have to close another school or two to balance things they can always just blame the NRA in the media, like some of our own knuckleheads do, even when they aren't involved.

[Angry Dragon]

3. idiot

[Tuesday Afternoon]

14. you took the word right out of my mouth and I don't use that word lightly and I will add

if they keep electing this idiot, they deserve that it is their own tax dollars that he is signing away.

[marsis]

5. Sorry to the Obama camp but

I've worked for Chicago Democrats and they're just a modicum above the Republicans in what I want from politicians, just barely. I supported Hillary in 2008 since I've seen this Chicago political machine up close and personal and that scared me greatly about Obama. My fears have been somewhat realized more than once with this President.

They govern by covering thier asses, they hate labor and we're constantly getting "it's legal so we can do it" as justification for their ridiculous antics.

They've gambled away the kid's college funds and blamed the kids. Better than Republicans, yes, but that's a very very low bar to judge them by and Rahm is just another typical Chicago Democrat. Check out Illinois ratings, worst in the country thanks to these gangsters.

Chicago for the 51st state, please.

[friendly_iconoclast]

6. This is getting raked over the coals at HuffPo and the Chicago Trib:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/rahm-emanuel-pushes-for-s_n_1265264.html?ref=chicago

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-mayor-rahm-emanuel-wants-state-handgun-registry-20120209,0,5729705.story

Oddly enough, the few supporters seem unaware of (or are pretending not to know of) Haynes v. United States:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States

[Clames]

7. He's going for broke.

If a 6-figure check wasn't enough then maybe a 7-figure one will do.

[krispos42]

10. he he he...

...so know they're know where NOT to look for handguns used in crimes.

[Glassunion]

11. That and if you don't pay your government

You will be a felon.

[krispos42]

16. And thus can't own a gun!

See, problem solved?

[ileus]

12. statewide to cure his cities problem.....hummm....

[jpak]

15. To the Greatest PAge

yup

[Simo 1939_1940]

17. "To the Greatest Page."

Right there with ya, jpak!

Let's let as many folks as possible see that nice juicy check that Rahm had to write!! (post #2)

[TheWraith]

18. Good to see we agree.

The more people see how incredibly bad and ridiculous an idea this is, the better. Maybe someday New York can get rid of it's Disarming Italians Act of 1911.

[SteveW]

21. To the greatest Pennsylvania-ge? I don't get it. nt

[ileus]

23. start at state level then take the dog and pony show nationally...

This is a fine example of why the people need to slap down these kind of ideas before they spread across the nation.

[Doctor_J]

24. Whoa. You mean guns will be as closely regulated as cars???

Heaven forbid

[DonP]

25. Wow! That would be great!

They couldn't ban my guns just because they might look like a NASCAR racer.

It's none of the government's business what's under the "hood".

No waiting period to pick up your car or any background checks involved

We give a drivers license to every seventeen-year-old high school student who can pass a lowest-common-denominator Drivers Ed course. A course that can be successfully passed by a lobotomized chimpanzee.

We even give drivers licenses to 16 year-old kids who state that they have a particular hardship with no limits on what they can drive or even own.

You'll give a gun license to every 17 year-old who wants one, even if he has a police record -- just like a drivers license.

Any person who possesses a drivers license can drive on any public road on any state in the Union. They can drive on school grounds, they can drive on college campuses, and they can drive to any courthouse in the Union.

You'll let anyone with a gun license carry a gun anywhere they want to, in every State in the Union -- just like a drivers license.

Drivers licenses issued by one State must be honoured by all other States. Anyone with a Texas Drivers License can drive any car he (or she) wants to, anywhere in New York City that he can fit. And the New York authorities don't have a thing to say about the matter.

You'll let any 17 year-old cowboy from Bugscuffle, West Texas carry his gun anywhere he wants to in New York and tell the New York authorities they can't do anything about it -- just like a drivers license.

If you get caught driving a car without your drivers license, you get a $90 traffic ticket that comes off your record in three years.

Tell me that if that Texas cowpoke is visiting Chicago, and gets caught carrying his gun without his license, he just gets a citation -- just like a drivers license.

No one must undergo a background check to get a drivers license, any felon can get a drivers license, no background mental health checks are required for a drivers license.

You'll let everyone -- 17 to 70, felons, no mental checks, pay your money, take your test, here's your gun license -- just like a drivers license.

If I'm on private property, I don't even need a driver license to drive any car I want to, the only limit to the number of cars I can possess is the size of my bank account.

I can buy as many cars at once as my wallet can stand, and I can buy a car off a street corner in Compton today, another from a back-yard in New York tomorrow. Pay the taxes, transfer the title and that's it.

I can import cars as many as a I want, from any country that I want, and I can sell or trade any or all of them to anyone I want -- and the Federal Government doesn't have word one to say about the matter.

I build any car I want to in my garage -- with no Federal permission; I can modify, cut-down, trick-out, customize or skeletonize any car I want to without so much as a "Yes", "No", "Boo", "Kiss my ass" or "By your leave" from the Federal Government.

Oh, I'm sorry you were probably trying to be funny and it just came out ignorant and totally thought free.

[cleanhippie]

26. + 1000000000

Well done, DonP, well done.

[CokeMachine]

31. Nice Job!!

I'd gladly register mine if they were treated as cars -- especially since I live in CA.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

33. what a gorgeous rant.

truly beautiful work.

[shadowrider]

27. I didn't write this, but wish I had

I have often heard the antis bleating that “we register cars, why not guns”, and it might surprise people to know that I’m perfectly willing to go the “license and register guns just like cars” route.

Under this plan, gun safety and handling courses will be available to all students 15 and over in the public schools, and kids will be encouraged to take Carriers’ Ed. Also, when they turn 15 they will be eligible for their learner’s carry permit which will allow them to carry concealed as long as they are under the supervision of a licensed adult.

Parents will be especially happy because when their kids take the class, mom and dad will get a break on their homeowner’s insurance premiums. A natural spin-off of this new system: schools and employers will routinely provide convenient, safe gun storage for students and employees just as they do now with parking lots.

Naturally, when someone turns 16 they will go right down to the State Department of Guns and Ammo to get their license to carry. They’ll take the written and practical tests and, whether they took Carriers’ Ed or not, if they pass the tests they’ll get their license on the spot.

Needless to say, about 90% of teens will get their license the first or second time they test. The proud new carriers can then go out and buy their first carry gun. Heck, if Mom and Dad can afford it, some kids will get their first weapon as a 16th birthday present.

Of course this also means that a permit to carry will be valid in every state and mala prohibita restrictions on possession and carrying (ammo restrictions, magazine capacity limits, Evil Black Rifle bans, etc.) must be clearly posted throughout the jurisdiction just as speed limit and stop signs are now.

In the event that you do wind up with a violation it can almost always be dealt with by paying a relatively small fine (either by mail or in person) and will not involve losing the weapon. Likewise a cop can’t just arbitrarily stop you and ask to see your license, absent an underlying visible violation.

The new registration scheme will be a boon to entrepreneurs who will be able to invent, manufacture and sell any sort of gun or accessory they think customers will buy. There will be no local, state or federal agency that can come in and arbitrarily shut a dealer down because when filling out a form a customer put ‘Y’ instead of ‘Yes’. In fact, there won’t be any legal requirement to maintain any sort of form at all.

With the “register them like cars” plan anyone can walk into a gun dealer, plunk down cash and walk out with any gun they want, no questions asked (besides name and address for the registration). Registration fees will be minimal (no more than 1% of the weapon’s value) and will be used to build, maintain and upgrade public shooting ranges that are widely available and free to use.

Of course if you are only going to be using the weapon on private property you don’t need to register them at all and they don’t need to be “street legal”, meaning silencers, machine guns, mortars, bazookas, RPGs, MANPADS etc. are A-OK.

Sure, I’m willing to go that route. Is The Brady Campaign?

[DanTex]

28. The horror! Don't you realize that handguns are WAY more important than cars?

Without cars, what, it takes a little longer to get to work? Without handguns, we'd have no "second amendment solutions" and we'd all be slaves to totalitarian oppression! You know, like the people of -- err -- England!

[DanTex]

30. Actually, I was talking to Doctor_J, if that's who you mean.

Also, maybe you missed it, but it was -- poking fun at the NRA crowd's tendency to inflate the importance of gun "rights" and freak over the slightest hint of sane gun control laws...

[ellisonz]

32. GUNS ARE TOOLS! TOOLS I TELL YOU!

[ManiacJoe]

34. You were correct right up until you inserted the sarcasm tag.