Why can't gun lovers handle rational limits?

[SecularMotion]

An action alert was sent to tens of thousands of gun control supporters across the commonwealth over the weekend: Five firearms-related bills designed to weaken the state's already porous gun laws will come before the state House Judiciary Committee today.

Because this is Pennsylvania -- a state where the gun lobby can pretty much dictate to our do-nothing lawmakers when they can and can't go to the bathroom -- groups like CeaseFirePA don't have the luxury of mincing words when it comes to motivating supporters to pressure their representatives in the Legislature to do the right thing.

The memo from Ron Conroy, CeaseFirePA's regional director for Western Pennsylvania, describes two of the most disturbing bills under consideration on March 18 this way:

"HB 921, which would eliminate Pennsylvania's background check system (PICS) -- a system that our state police swear by and that contains thousands of records, particularly mental health records and records of PFAs (protection from abuse) / domestic abuse, that are not included in the National Instant Check System (NICS).

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/tony-norman/2014/03/18/Why-can-t-gun-lovers-handle-rational-limits/stories/201403180075

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

1. PA participates with the FBI-NICS as a full POC

Have you read this bill? I'm not able to find anything that abolishes PA's current instantaneous background check system.

Can you highlight that section please?

[ManiacJoe]

2. Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

hb921 removes the redundant PA background check system and goes with the federal NICS system. Why is PA not keeping the federal databases up to date like they are supposed to?

hb2011 puts teeth into the state's preemption laws. This is a good thing.


http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/billInfo/billInfo.cfm?sYear=2013&sInd=0&body=h&type=b&bn=921
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/billInfo/billInfo.cfm?sYear=2013&sInd=0&body=H&type=B&bn=2011

[petronius]

8. As I read it, I don't think it's a question of redundancy or PA not reporting to NICS

Rather, it sounds as though the PA background system included records and disqualifiers that are not in NICS nor included in federal law, so this switch to NICS-only represents a loosening of the licensing procedure.

Whether that's a good thing or not is hard to tell without knowing the details of PA's background check system: on the one hand, I can imagine things that really should be at least temporarily disqualifying - such as orders of protection - that if I understand correctly do not go into the federal system. On the other hand, it's easy to imagine an overly-restrictive set of requirements being used to infringe and interfere...

[jmondine]

3. Because they cut into the gun industry's profits

And the gun industry has become masterful at manipulating the femiphobia of their customer base.

[ManiacJoe]

4. femiphobia???

[clffrdjk]

5. I know you didn't really think it through

So why don't you do that now then come back and explain how this has any effect on gun manufacture profits.

[rrneck]

7. Please elucidate.

I'd love to hear you expound on that

[Eleanors38]

11. I'd love to hear him/her say it.

With women purchasing arms in record numbers, maybe there are a few femphobs out there. But I don't see it on the range.

There is a catchy quality to it.

[rrneck]

12. Decorating a world view

like a Christmas tree festooned with partisan memes.

[blueridge3210]

18. *crickets* nt

[DonP]

6. "Do nothing lawmakers" = passing a bill you don't like?

Nothing like a little oxymoron usage to make the story "interesting".

But ... if the NRA can really just dictate anything they want, why not just make them cancel all the gun laws and background checks.

Frankly, after being told "the NRA is dead and just doesn't know it" by this and other posters here repeatedly, how can they possibly influence any legislature?

I'm sure CeaseFire will clean their clock in the legislature, since so many others here and in general believe as they do and will surely get out their checkbooks to support their beliefs. Right?

[oneshooter]

9. Why can't gun banners be honest in what they want? n/t

[rrneck]

10. Why can't gun haters propose rational limits? nt

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. "Rational" is misused and "limits" is a lie.

[Token Republican]

14. I support rational limits

so long as I get to dictate what is rational and what the limits are.

[Lizzie Poppet]

15. Why can't Tony Norman stop beating his wife??

I trust my point is obvious?

[oneshooter]

16. Why can't Circular Motion ever answer any questions? n/t

[Token Republican]

17. He does

But the answers are like a Chinese menu.

#1 NRA Talking Points
#2 Right Wingnuts
#3 Gun Humper
#4 NRA is running scared
#5 <----- intentionally left blank.
#6 Cut and pastes something from the internet

[uncommonlink]

20. My proposition.

Unless SecMo adds some context to these constant drive by postings, we just ignore him.
Sound good?

[gejohnston]

19. why can't gun haters make rational arguments?

[krispos42]

21. Why can't we have dialogue and come to a consensus of what "rational" is?

How about "effective"?

Lord knows you haven't been working towards that any time in the recent past.