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Pullo

(594 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:34 AM Sep 2013

Starbucks caves, partially.

Firearms not welcome, but not explicitly banned.

“We are going to serve them as we would serve anyone else,” he said. “There are going to be people on both sides who will be disappointed or angry, but we’re making a decision we think is in the best interests of our customers, employees and the company.” He said store officials would evaluate compliance over time and consider posting signs if necessary.

The majority of company-owned Starbucks stores are in states that allow people to openly carry guns, although restrictions and limitations vary from state to state. The company has had a handful of armed robberies in its stores over the years, as well as two recent incidents where guns carried in women’s purses have discharged accidentally, but little other gun violence in its stores.

Under its previous policy, however, Starbucks has been unwillingly co-opted by proponents of “open carry” policies and vilified by those seeking stricter laws on gun ownership. Garry Trudeau devoted six consecutive days of his Doonesbury comic strip in 2010 to mocking the company’s stance, which opened with a barista greeting a customer in a plaid flannel shirt and saying, “Welcome to Starbucks, sir, would you be openly carrying a weapon today?”

“Pro-gun activists have used our stores as a political stage for media events misleadingly called ‘Starbucks Appreciation Days’ that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of open carry,” Mr. Schultz wrote in an open letter to be published in ads in major newspapers.


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Starbucks caves, partially. (Original Post) Pullo Sep 2013 OP
I am really impressed with Mr. Schultz (CEO) Not Me Sep 2013 #1
Sounds like he doesn't want Starbucks coopted into a political football. rrneck Sep 2013 #2
Smart guy. Now, how about some coffee? Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #3
Another example of gunnies wearing out any welcome they get. Glaug-Eldare Sep 2013 #4
Lawful carry still isn't banned. armueller2001 Sep 2013 #7
It isn't, because they don't want to make a big statement. Glaug-Eldare Sep 2013 #8
I don't drink coffee and I don't go to Starbucks. rl6214 Sep 2013 #5
Can't open carry in Florida gejohnston Sep 2013 #6
Choice is just that, choice. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2013 #9

Not Me

(3,398 posts)
1. I am really impressed with Mr. Schultz (CEO)
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:37 AM
Sep 2013

He is driving that company to record profits while promoting sustainable, socially responsible policies.
I'd like to be able to dine in a restaurant or coffee shop that specifically excludes guns, (given the local ordinances will allow it), but I totally get his concern for his employees not getting in the middle of an altercation with a gun holder.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
2. Sounds like he doesn't want Starbucks coopted into a political football.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:05 AM
Sep 2013

Controversy's bad for business.

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
4. Another example of gunnies wearing out any welcome they get.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:56 AM
Sep 2013

1. Starbucks attempts to quietly maintain a company policy that allows lawful carry in their stores.

2. Gunnies latch onto it and make Starbucks an unwilling participant in political demonstrations and rallies.

3. Starbucks decides to remove this unwelcome attention and changes policy to make lawful carry unwelcome.

4. Starbucks gets to sell coffee drinks in peace.

5. Other businesses notice how Starbucks was rewarded for their accommodating policies, and consider avoiding a similar row.

Glaug-Eldare

(1,089 posts)
8. It isn't, because they don't want to make a big statement.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 03:32 PM
Sep 2013

The point of this decision is to be just pro-gun enough not to lose business from gun owners, while being just anti-gun enough to avoid being made into a political prop like they were when they extended an unequivocal welcome to customers carrying guns lawfully. It's also a lesson for other large businesses to avoid encouraging gun owners to latch onto your brand.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
6. Can't open carry in Florida
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:57 PM
Sep 2013

and I don't think Wyoming has a Starbucks, certainly not where I live. I don't open carry when I go home either, So..........
Like the Dunkin Donuts uniform says: friends don't let friends go to Starbucks.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
9. Choice is just that, choice.
Fri Sep 27, 2013, 06:44 PM
Sep 2013

If Starbucks chooses to make a rule in their private establishment then that is their choice and it should be respected.

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