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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 10:19 PM Sep 2013

Counselors say consequences of killing a person could be extensive

KANSAS CITY, MO (KCTV) - A homeowner shot and killed 30-year-old Christopher Robinson Wednesday after he said Robinson broke into his home. Police believe Robinson stole three cars prior to the shooting.

On the KCTV5 Facebook page, many people are congratulating the homeowner for his courage, but it may take even more courage to deal with what comes next.

"It's not easy to take another life unless you are simply a psychopath and have no problem doing that," said counselor Susan Howard-Perry.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/23362509/counselors-say-consequences-of-killing-a-person-could-be-extensive
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Counselors say consequences of killing a person could be extensive (Original Post) SecularMotion Sep 2013 OP
Compared to the consequences for NOT killing that person who broke into his home... NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #1
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #6
My wife can attest to that. wild bird Sep 2013 #2
Exactly, when you fight fire with fire, you both get burned. SecularMotion Sep 2013 #3
That's not always possible gejohnston Sep 2013 #4
In this case, she really had no other option, she had called the police, wild bird Sep 2013 #5
A pretty repugnant blaming of the victim. You should be ashamed. Bazinga Sep 2013 #8
Pretty repugnant making shit up. You should be ashamed. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #13
If you meant to say something different, Bazinga Sep 2013 #17
Really? is that how my post reads? Which post would that be exactly? Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #20
Well, obviously those are better first options. Lizzie Poppet Sep 2013 #12
Especially for the one killed....... lastlib Sep 2013 #7
Wow blueridge3210 Sep 2013 #9
We're all sweet innocent humans.... ileus Sep 2013 #14
Better to cope than be carried. ileus Sep 2013 #10
Refuse to be a victim? WTF is that supposed to mean? Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #21
Taking any life should be an absolute last resort. wild bird Sep 2013 #22
Your wife did the right thing. I have no criticism regarding her. Starboard Tack Sep 2013 #23
Counselors say consequences of being killed could be extensive -- Onion Eleanors38 Sep 2013 #11
I wonder what the counselors say to the families of the women slain at Lane Bryant a few years ago? DonP Sep 2013 #15
It is called PTSD sarisataka Sep 2013 #16
Everyone knows it's more polite to die than defend yourself. ileus Sep 2013 #18
And don't forget the cans of beans!! oneshooter Sep 2013 #19
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Compared to the consequences for NOT killing that person who broke into his home...
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 10:27 PM
Sep 2013

I'd say he's going to get through this.

 

wild bird

(421 posts)
2. My wife can attest to that.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 10:28 PM
Sep 2013

Several years ago, she had to shoot and kill a home invader in the middle of the night while I was at work.

It really messed with her mind, she had to get professional help to deal with the fact that she was forced to take another human life, she still has nightmares of that night despite the years that have past since the incident.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
3. Exactly, when you fight fire with fire, you both get burned.
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 10:39 PM
Sep 2013

You're better off securing your home entryways and installing a good alarm system that would deter someone from even trying to break in your home than having to face a home invader.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
4. That's not always possible
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 11:15 PM
Sep 2013

and there are cases of wrong place/wrong time. Sometimes there is are no good options, just the least worst ones.
While non violence is best, pacifism is sometimes impossible or immoral. St. Augustine said it best:

"Though defensive violence will always be 'a sad necessity' in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men."

prime example:
http://www.limaohio.com/news/local_news/article_b291b3ec-f4ab-11e2-b12a-001a4bcf6878.html
 

wild bird

(421 posts)
5. In this case, she really had no other option, she had called the police,
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 11:22 PM
Sep 2013

she had put our daughter in the closet, locked the bedroom door, warned the guy that she had called the police and warned him that she had a shotgun, guy busted down the door anyway, so she did what she had to do to survive.

She did the right thing according to the police, but it didn't make it any easier on her, but at least her and our daughter survived to have these feelings.

Bazinga

(331 posts)
8. A pretty repugnant blaming of the victim. You should be ashamed.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 07:51 AM
Sep 2013

You have assumed that she could have prevented herself from being chosen as a victim, and then blamed her for the psychological trauma resulting from her failure to do so.

How is that not akin to blaming a rape victim for wearing a skirt that was too short?

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
13. Pretty repugnant making shit up. You should be ashamed.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 12:29 PM
Sep 2013

Nobody blamed any victim. Troll that shit somewhere else.

Bazinga

(331 posts)
17. If you meant to say something different,
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 07:00 PM
Sep 2013

then by all means say something different. But the way your post reads, she is responsible for her burns because she chose to fight fire with fire. And that idea, as you have agreed, is disgusting.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
20. Really? is that how my post reads? Which post would that be exactly?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:16 AM
Sep 2013

Do you make a habit of putting words into other people's mouths?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. Well, obviously those are better first options.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 11:54 AM
Sep 2013

Even the best options don't always work...at which point you pick the best of what is actually available at the time. If your "Plan B" preparations don't include anything effective, then you have prepared inadequately.

lastlib

(23,248 posts)
7. Especially for the one killed.......
Sat Sep 7, 2013, 11:58 PM
Sep 2013

Ask Trayvon Martin. Or twenty kids at Sandy Hook Elementary. Or.....oh, wait.......you can't..............

ileus

(15,396 posts)
14. We're all sweet innocent humans....
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 12:48 PM
Sep 2013

Home invaders are just misunderstood, they deserve our support and kindness.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
10. Better to cope than be carried.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 10:24 AM
Sep 2013

Refuse to be a victim....rest easy knowing you did what's right.

Saving lives takes a strong mind and determined body.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
21. Refuse to be a victim? WTF is that supposed to mean?
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:29 AM
Sep 2013

Oh right, go shoot 5 or 6 people and you'll feel better, knowing you "did the RIGHT thing". hat should guarantee you a good night's sleep.

Saving lives takes selflessness, empathy and a level head. Taking any life should be an absolute last resort.

 

wild bird

(421 posts)
22. Taking any life should be an absolute last resort.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 11:35 AM
Sep 2013

And that was my wife's situation, she did everything possible to deter the asshole, but when he broke down our bedroom door, she was out of other options at that point and she did what she had to do, and that was to protect herself and our daughter from serious injury/death.

I do agree with your last sentence, taking a human life should be an absolute last resort.

Starboard Tack

(11,181 posts)
23. Your wife did the right thing. I have no criticism regarding her.
Mon Sep 9, 2013, 12:59 PM
Sep 2013

Defending one's home and family is very different from walking around with a loaded gun in public. The cop in the OP is an idiot for suggesting it.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
15. I wonder what the counselors say to the families of the women slain at Lane Bryant a few years ago?
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 01:12 PM
Sep 2013

They didn't have to worry about the trauma of shooting someone in self defense, they just died.

But their families continue to live on remembering every year on that date what they lost and probably every day. I bet they'd love the option of paying for counseling instead of for flowers every year.

Gun sales continue to soar and violent crime continues to fall, but in all your google dumps you don't seem to ever find any positive stories on self defense? Almost seems like you and some of your little friends have a totally blind spot that can't tell the difference between self defense and crime?

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
16. It is called PTSD
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 01:34 PM
Sep 2013

killing tends to have a negative impact on the psyche of non-sociopathic individuals.

OTH if the situation is kill or be killed, that therapist chair starts looking pretty comfy...

ileus

(15,396 posts)
18. Everyone knows it's more polite to die than defend yourself.
Sun Sep 8, 2013, 08:25 PM
Sep 2013

gunner, baser, toters....

where's your bicycle wheel and aikido?

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