If someone accidentally shoots themself

[pscot]

Do they lose their concealed carry permit? I mean, it kind of suggests a level of incompetence, to where they maybe oughtn't to be wandering around with a loaded gun.

[Warpy]

1. They should have it lifted (along with the gun) until they

complete a comprehensive gun safety program.

[Eleanors38]

2. Sounds reasonable.

[premium]

9. That sounds perfectly reasonable. nt.

[Jenoch]

3. I am sure the law varies a great

deal depending on the state in which the permit was issued.

[SoCalMusicLover]

4. No Restrictions!!

I Want My Guns, And I Want 'Em Now!

Anything that infringes upon that right is unacceptable and UNAMERICAN!!

More Guns, Less Restrictions.

[mokawanis]

5. I think they're required to carry a second weapon

That way the next time they shoot themselves they can shoot the first gun with the second gun, and then go buy another gun. More guns are clearly the solution.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

6. oh yeah and same for car accidents, too. should be mandatory attendance for safe driving classes

all accidents no matter whose fault. yep

[pscot]

7. Yeah, but if you shoot yourself

who elses fault could it be?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

8. same as if you hit a telephone pole or curbed it and lost control.

you and I are in full agreement. right on.

[rdharma]

10. It would probably depend on the circumstances.

But generally he/she would get his/her concealed weapon permit back for a second chance.

[ileus]

11. I recommend carrying in a proper holster, and train train train....

I just bought a nice kydex holster for my 229 what a great addition to my carry attire.

[rdharma]

12. That post speaks VOLUMES!

"Carry attire"?

[AtheistCrusader]

18. Do you discourage people from carrying properly?

Would you rather people stuck guns in their waistbands?

You realize we have to contend with:

1. Concealment (in most states)
2. Accessibility (no point having it if you can't get it out from under your shirt when you need it)
3. Retention (no point having it if the other guy is just going to borrow it before you know anything is wrong)
4. Comfort (the gun you carry is much more useful than the gun you leave at home because it is a big heavy hunk of metal to lug around all day.)

I mean, people could just put guns casually in waistbands and pockets, but I thought the idea was to diminish, not enhance negligent discharges?

Safety classes are a good thing for people who carry a firearm. Any safety class worth its weight in salt is going to use that term 'carry attire', and cover it in depth, because it is a major part of the SAFETY TRAINING.

[rdharma]

20. No. I think you should "carry" your gatt properly for quick access.......

..... and practice and train in front of the mirror (like Travis Bickle).

HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED!

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[AtheistCrusader]

21. Glad it's all a big joke to you when people are trying to be safe.

[rdharma]

22. Wearing seat belts when you drive or a helmet when you ride a bike........

..... that's "trying to be safe". Packing a gatt with you wherever you go....... that's just paranoia!

[AtheistCrusader]

23. So says you.

[Buzz Clik]

28. +1

[oneshooter]

33. Your a gun banner, who refuses to surrender those you own for destruction.

What a hypocrite!

[Starboard Tack]

29. I had one of those when I was 7. Loved it.

Loved B&W TV too and that whole B&W 50's world of US and THEM, good guys and bad guys. I guess some folk never grow up.

[geckosfeet]

31. I know exactly what was meant by "carry attire".

It is very common pefectlty acceptable usage.

[Starboard Tack]

24. How adorable! Sounds perfect for carrying on the train.

I'm considering getting one for my cellphone. That way, I won't keep accidentally calling myself.

[ileus]

36. I recommend a screen unlock sequence.

I've found my phone and belt clip balance perfectly with my LCP and fobus holster.


A good holster will retain your psd and cover the trigger making ND/AD impossible.

[Starboard Tack]

38. What's a psd?

[CokeMachine]

39. Try Personal Safety Device. nt

[Starboard Tack]

46. Try calling a spade a spade and not a bucket

[CokeMachine]

47. Huh??

I was just answering you question.

[Starboard Tack]

49. SO answer this question.

Do you consider a GUN to be a PERSONAL SAFETY DEVICE?

[CokeMachine]

50. Try again.

If you'd be so kind as to ask me to answer a question instead of telling me to answer a question, I just might. I don't go for that authoritarian crap.

[Starboard Tack]

53. I got it, you only answer questions asked of others.

I can only assume from your previous response to a question, which you were not asked, that you consider a gun to be a PSD. If so, then you and I are on opposite sides of reality and truthfulness.
A gun is no more a PSD than a spade is a bucket.
Guns are designed to kill people. PSD's are designed to save people.
Spades are designed to dig holes. Buckets are designed to hold water.

Using a gun as a PSD is equivalent to carrying water with a spade.

Ileus loves to use these absurd euphemisms and has been spanked over it by people on all sides of the gun debate.

[CokeMachine]

54. Look --

You asked what PSD meant when another poster used the term. I simply answered the question since there wasn't an answer provided. Thought I was helping Then your authoritarian side TELLS me to answer a question that has no bearing on my original answer to you. You then go further and try to TELL me what I believe. Your mind reading skills are weak Mr. Spock!!

At this point I don't know if your original question about the meaning of PSD was really just curiosity and merely flame bait. There's been a lot of that from CBA lately and now that I see your responses to an answer about a simple quest it kinda makes me believe it was flame bait YMMV.

BTW, you didn't ASK me a question in your first response to me. You TOLD me to provide a answer. If you'd simply asked for an answer instead of TELLING me to give you one I would have happily provided it. I don't take kindly to authoritarians that like to tell me what I think. They were all RW Conservatives and I rebelled at a young age.

May the seas be calm for you!!

ps. If you've got a problem with Ileus take it up with him. I'm sure he can more than handle himself when dealing with you.

[Starboard Tack]

57. It was your decision to answer for him

From your response, I can only assume that you interpret PSD in the same vain as Ileus. An internet search for PSD comes up with many results, none of which is "Personal Safety Device".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSD
Sorry if you took my question as being authoritarian, which is about as far away from my personality as I can imagine. So, from one rebel to another, I now ask you politely, "Do you consider a gun to be a 'personal safety device'?"
I haven't followed your posts in this forum, so I have no idea where you stand on the issues.
There was an excellent thread (OP by GSC) a few weeks ago about the use of euphemisms, such as PSD. It was basically a call-out on those who use such ridiculous and intellectually insulting euphemisms.
If there was any flame bait, it was his use of PSD. I confront bullshit when I see it and expect to be confronted by others when I indulge in it myself, which can happen btw.
Peace.

[CokeMachine]

59. Yes it was my decision to reply -- almost wish I hadn't now.

No, I don't consider a gun to be a personal safety device. It can be used as one depending on the situation but I do disagree that that is it's only or main purpose. I do consider it a self defense tool though. To me it's the same as any other tool that may be used to protect my or my families life. I don't carry but also don't begrudge others that make that choice. I live in CA so getting a carry permit is almost impossible anyway (unless I move 60 miles north). I can't really think of a reason for me to carry a gun. I collect old weapons and really enjoy restoring them. Been doing it since I was 13 or so.

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I more than likely jumped the shark and misunderstood where you were coming from when you asked the question. There has been a lot of flame baiting here lately so I just assumed this was the same -- I'm sorry!!

Take Care and have a great day!!

[Starboard Tack]

60. No problem. Sounds like we're on the same page.

I can't think of a reason to carry one either, but if a reason ever becomes apparent, I won't hesitate.

[CokeMachine]

63. Sounds good!!

Some people have valid reasons, some don't. Me "no", someone else maybe, probably or no choice. It's not my job to decide.

Take care and hopefully your sails are full when needed and your gas tank is full otherwise.

[rdharma]

52. "making ND/AD impossible"

You're kidding...... aren't you? 'Cause you can't be seriously claiming that!

[ileus]

55. Nope

I was going to say nearly impossible, but with careful consideration I can't come up with a way for the little ruger to discharge without removing her from the holster.

I know. I know, the early LCPs suffered from a recall for the "drop proof" safety but mine is a few generations from those. If I didn't have 100% faith in her I sure wouldn't trust my life with it.

So I must say impossible at this time, as I always say safety first.

[rdharma]

56. Lame! I've never heard of an AD from a properly secured and untouched gun.

I don't believe in "accidental discharges"......... to me there are only NEGLIGENT DISCHARGES.

On your cop story....... I figure that any cop who shoots himself in the ass while "dropping trow" to take a dump is NEGLIGENT! Get the guns away from that fool before he kills somebody!

Edit: Sorry, that wasn't you who defended the right of a cop who shot himself in the butt to continue to keep and bear arms. It wasn't your story, so I don't consider you a gun nut for defending the negligent cop in that story.

[shadowrider]

58. I just bought a 226 (Think 229 only smaller).

It's an excellent carry firearm.

[rl6214]

13. Does that include professionals?

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[rdharma]

14. Yes! And it also applies to self-proclaimed "pistoleros"!

[rl6214]

15. What exactly is a "self proclaimed pistolero"?

[Starboard Tack]

25. So reassuring to know we're in such good hands.

[rl6214]

45. But he is a professional...

Which is exactly who so many of you say should be the only ones with guns.

[Starboard Tack]

48. So many of who? Not me.

You confuse me with someone else. I have never advocated arming LE or anyone, except in the most extreme circumstances. A fool with a gun is a fool and anyone who carries a gun without a damn good reason is a fool.

[rl6214]

61. Yeah, LE doesn't need firearms

Just arm them with cotton candy and puppy dogs.

[Starboard Tack]

62. Now that's just plain silly.

LE obviously needs firearms in certain situations and they should have them available for when those situations occur. We had such a situation in Santa Monica a couple of weeks ago and LE performed excellently. Civilians, OTOH, should leave them at home except in the most extreme of circumstances.

[Lurks Often]

16. Much would depend on where he shot himself

If it was done at the range or on private property, probably not. If done in public at a store or such, quite probably the permit will be revoked either permanently or temporarily.

Where in the country it happens may also play a factor. What will get a permit revoked in say Connecticut, may not get a permit revoked in Montana, presuming of course no state of federal laws were broken.

[lastlib]

17. If you shoot yourself in Texas, you get to keep your gun.....

...but they issue you another one with training wheels.......

[Starboard Tack]

27. How about the head or balls. Would that get it revoked?

Or in the foot like Quick Draw Mr Superslick in Post #14?

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Varys by state law and local ordinance.

If you did it in Seattle, you bet. If you did it in rural unincorporated King County, and you didn't break any laws in the process, then no, you would probably not have your permit revoked.

[Buzz Clik]

26. What about the opposite? If a CC license holder has not shot anyone in the past year, ...

... should their license be revoked?

[Starboard Tack]

30. Definitely should be suspended.

There should be a minimum body count per CCL annually to keep it active.

[Buzz Clik]

32. +1

[oneshooter]

34. See my post #33.

[jeepnstein]

35. It would depend on a few factors.

There's a difference between an honest mistake, which can happen to any human being, and something more preventable.

My 1911's duty holster came from an officer who shot himself in the butt in a fast food restaurant restroom stall. His weapon came unholstered and he grabbed for it as it fell. The rest is epic history. Since he was off work for a long time he didn't want to pick up the holster from the gun dealer we all used and I wound up buying it instead.

Now that's different from another fellow I know who accidentally shot himself in the head while practicing his quick draw. He was in his kitchen drawing a single action revolver from a cowboy style rig. He was drawing and firing into his refrigerator when he slipped in a puddle of spilled beer. He fell over a chair and somehow wound up shooting himself in the head.

Both individuals lived. One of those two made an honest mistake. The other one should definitely not have a concealed carry permit.

[rdharma]

37. Neither one of those "self-inflicted" CCW carriers should have a permit! nt

[oneshooter]

40. And the "skilled, professional,well trained and competent" DEA Agent?

[rdharma]

41. You mean Agent "Hoppy"?

[oneshooter]

42. Should he still be allowed to carry a firearm?

[rdharma]

43. Hell no!

He just shot himself in the foot ......but his negligence could have easily killed one of those kids in the class!

Some folks shouldn't be trusted with guns........ period!

[CokeMachine]

44. I'll agree -- you shouldn't!!!!

Is that you in the middle??

[Deep13]

51. Depends on the laws of that state.

I know a guy who managed to shoot his own foot when he was a cop.